Oh, come on! Most intersex activists are radfems or at the very least disgruntled with TRAs because they’re incessantly used as tokens in the fight against the sex binary. Most intersex people both look and identify with their assigned sex (i.e., they're cis), and most recognize their condition as a medical issue.
In fact, being treated as having a chronic condition and getting proper medical treatment can be crucial for survival.
I’ve noticed a trend in troons referring to themselves as having an “intersex brain”, or liberal feminists labeling PCOS as such. These people are dangerously anti-science and I fucking pity the intersex community after having been swallowed up by the alphabet soup.
This must have set back their own cause ten years since even medical professionals have started lumping them together.
At least lesbians who don’t want to gobble ladydique have numbers on their side, unlike the astonishingly small percentage of intersex people out there.
There is so much mis-information about intersex, that I feel like adding some resources for those that want to learn more.
This page details some of the general differences and similarities between the experience of transgender/gender diverse and intersex individuals. In general, these comparisons reflect our understanding in Australia, but many of the same principles apply elsewhere.
At the risk of sounding like an autismo I gave you a winner badge because these links are very informative. Even though I'm eyeballs deep in troonism, with as much as they tote around intersex conditions I never gave much thought into looking into said conditions. I know troonism =/= intersexism, but the Medium/IHRA links are a wealth of information that I never knew of and gave me much more respect for intersex people. It's great, thanks!
If you really want to help your friend I suggest going in sideways, try and find out what it is that he is disassociating from.
AGP is his (fantasy, imaginary, unworkable) escape hatch, so where is he attempting to escape from? Child abuse/post traumatic stress (often relating to time in the military - see Jamie Shupe) are the two biggies.
Ultimately though, he isn’t your child so he isn’t your responsibility, and you aren’t stuck with him the way transwidows with kids are. Don’t let him pull you down his panty-addiction plughole. If you genuinely care about him tell him you aren’t strong enough to be his transition support system but you are happy to continue to ’insert normie hobby here’ with him. He’ll probably reject the offer but it gives him a route back to friendship for when he realises humans can‘t change sex and only a minuscule number manage to look as though they have.
https://www.transwidowsvoices.org/ contains numerous stories from women who have been romantically involved with AGPs. Read it for the warning signs and point his girlfriend towards it if you can (it’s weird how similar the stories are).
Thank you, that is a great twitter post that seems like a succinct observation. That is why I don't hate troons as much as pity them, at the heart they're people who need help coming to term with themselves but the whole medical establishment like to feed into their delusion more. It's just sad.
A little off topic, but I wonder how would you distinguish genuine identity trauma and 'addiction' and delusion of trannyism?
For example, I was intentionally misdiagnosed with a mental condition by munchie parents (Unlike physical-illness munchies, it is very easy to convince a Dr to slaps psychiatric labels on kids and get them hand out drugs like candies) and spent my whole childhood hating the label and the treatment that came with it. Then I grew up and took the matter in my hand and visits a few psychiatrists to assess me again and they don't think that the old diagnosis is applicable and had the label revoked. But then I'd still get upset if people call me or assume I have that condition - Is this dissociation or genuine trauma? Do I have some serious issues for not accepting the diagnosis that wasn't helpful to me.
(Neurodiversity advocates would call that internalised ableism and think that the new doctors who removed my misdiagnosis are incompetent)
the thing about mental and some neurodevelopmental disorders are that they're purely diagnosed by subjective checklist. There's nothing on the 'reality' side like how troons are just a male man in a dress.
For one thing I do not want to judge someone's outwardly because questioning a troon = bigot = a social suicide. It's hard to find something thats convincing and innocent enough to say. I think that transitioning is a bad idea for him. To me, he seems to only fantasised about a certain type of girls he can't be in real life. And I don't think it'll make him happy in the long run. For my own 'personal' gut instinct reason? any AGP reason feel very creepy and exploitative in general .
the thing is, I don't know what to say without sounding like a moral police. Especially how he helped me going through my own identity issues that can be "questionable" before and it feels like a betrayal to disagree with him.
Not to mention as someone has spiraled down the troon route. They then to get more and more crazy along as they cut themselves off normal society. I actually have to walk an eggshell around him somewhat to avoid him getting annoyed sign of 'incompetency' and other things. There was one point he came across to me quite sociopathic before but he also cared about me somewhat and also fun to have around. - Trooning out will definitely make the whole thing unpalatable.
I've got a situation like this in my life. Honestly, there's not much arguing you can do because there's such a huge trans echo-chamber online to tell them to cut off any negativity and to come running back to "their true rainbow family". I just stick around, enjoy our gender neutral activity, and make occasional small jabs about, "But women can be strong too" and "no, you need to learn to tie your own hairbows like everyone else". At some point I'm assuming they'll bottom out and we'll be able to have a talk about, "Is your life better now?" Cause it's not.
Oh boy you're in for a treat. The entire NPC meme blew up when Redditors got all spergy about internal monologues and the lack thereof, and from there it spread to Twitter where so many people revealed their lack of an internal monologue.
"Why won't these dykes validate my Very Special heterosexual relationship as a true and honest lesbian one?"
I wonder what the deal is with these women who date troons. Cluster B bisexuals? Status-seekers who enter "lesbian" relationships with these men for shitlib street cred?
Is there any aspect of female anatomy that troons don't completely misunderstand? Anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of lactation knows that women don't just shoot the stuff out ounces at a time, not even women who are currently breastfeeding.
Either the troon is lying through his teeth (most likely, gross) or his moobs are leaking pus just like that other troon who lied about being able to lactate before being busted by his ex-wife (less likely, grosser).
Nice to see them completely dropping the pretense that sex and "gender" mean different things. I can't wait for the mass peak trans moment when troons get bold enough to complain about sex-selective abortions, female infanticide and FGM being transphobic and try to make the issues all about themselves.
The idea than an otherwise fuckable guy may cuck himself out of sex and a healthy loving relationship because of his porn obsession is sad. I suppose this is probably a similar if not same root cause to transgendering.
ihra.org.au
