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I haven't really been on the forums in like a decade but if I remember correctly it was supposed to be a permaban when the 2016 election rolled around. I could be wrong though, I'm just going from my memory of what I read on Kiwifarms or one of the splinter sites.

No, toxxes were generally regular bans even back then.

However, anyone who toxxed for Trump had their regular toxx forcibly upgraded to a permatoxx by Zen Death Robot after the fact. One of the supposed pro-Trump IKs of C-SPAM were OK with this, of course.
 
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I haven't really been on the forums in like a decade but if I remember correctly it was supposed to be a permaban when the 2016 election rolled around. I could be wrong though, I'm just going from my memory of what I read on Kiwifarms or one of the splinter sites.
The election toxxes only became regular bans because something like 60 percent of the regulars of the site had toxxed themselves for Hillary and the admin in charge at the time tried to turn it so that everyone who toxxed themselves would avoid the ban if they only donated 10 dollars to RAINN. Keep in mind, the same admin threatened anyone who had toxxed themselves for Trump by making their perma a real one unless they too donated to RAINN before the election while using very harsh language to call anyone who bet on him a fash of some sort.

If anything, the whole thing just showed that modern goons don't have the internet bushido the site used to have.
 
Election toxxes were regular bans by default in 2016, bar the forced permatoxx upgrade by ZDR.

The admin who was supposed to enforce the toxxes, exmarx, chickened out when Hillary lost by doing the RAINN thing. He had support by the usual suspects like FactsAreUseless, who tried to say it was just too much work. Lowtax put his foot down and made the admins enforce the toxxes.

I maintain this move by Lowtax was the one that earned him the enmity of the SA mod team.
 
Not toxxes, since the mods helpfully eliminated those because they thought Biden would lose.
 
Yeah I'm not even a fan of the guy but a Trump nobel peace prize win and election win double whammy would just be hilarious for all the chaos that would ensue.

Even though Obama made the Nobel Peace prize worthless, the irony that Trump actually deserves one now is hilarious.
 
I mean if you want to talk basic quality metrics, you can start with the fact that while no-content posts are frowned upon both here and on SA, SA neither has the tools to properly get rid of them nor can be assed to do so. If you emptyquote or make one-word reaction posts or other shit here, your posts get deleted; goons who do that shit can only get banned for varying lengths of time which they usually take as grounds to raise a shitstorm in QCS. The fact that this site has (and uses) effective and non-disruptive tools that completely remove no-content posts is on its own enough to drastically improve average post quality on this site over SA; even if you hate the content of the posts here you can’t debate that they’re much less likely to be contentless white noise than anything on SA day to day. Then you have the fact that this site uses embedded attachments to posts instead of hotlinking from unreliable and capricious offsites, so KF threads that have media in them don't turn into graveyards of red X's over time.

There are fairly serious cultural differences, too, which generally lead to better post quality here. Goons are infamous for unquestioningly believing anything that was posted by another goon, to the point that a fuckton of goons still think Notch is a KKK member because someone once posted a screenshot of a tweet doctored to look like Notch was ranting about niggers -- just as one example. This site's primary purpose is to document the unbelievably terrible behavior of unbelievably terrible people: an endeavor that lends itself to healthy skepticism not only because the internet is full of fanficcing weirdos but because truthful information about people is always funnier than fiction. The more bizarre and hilarious something is, the more this site scrutinizes it to make sure someone isn't doing some kind of weird autistic ARG fantasy.

Also, no one on the Kiwi Farms ever got attacked for archiving and verifying something, whereas if goons don't like your post they'll attack you for not having sources unless you have sources, in which case they'll attack you for having them. The result is that on average, information on this site is far better sourced and far more likely to be properly verified than on Something Awful, and when something interesting gets posted it won't get buried under a mountain of goons screaming "omg take all my 5s." To name a few perks.


I think you're a little optermistic about the culture of the farms (if you want to see how bad we can get with verification go to the SJW community page) but I think you're on the right track with a couple of extra caveats

1) Deep thoughts/hapennings is way more effective as a containment unit than D&D, which means the more frankly embarrising posts are sectioned off in a neat little box.
2)Null is proactively involved in forum so the culture isnt tainted by rogue mods.
3) The culture discourages us from becoming personally invested in each other, which means even when you think a poster is a complete faggot it's hard to generate much hatred for them.
4)Their's also a darwenistic factor where the dumbest weakest posters will become lolcows themselves wereas SA group loyality means you get a free pass regardless of how weird or unlikable you are.
5)The ratings system makes it a lot easier to feel your posts are read and acknowlaged so you're not just screaming into a void.

The farms has some faults but it's overall as a hard line left winger a far more tolerable experiance for me than a hard line right winger in SA.....or for that matter a hard line left winger in SA who isnt interested in the byzantine woke etiquete of the forum.
 
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Yeah but they were supposed to be permabanned weren't they? So the toxx clause really wasn't honored, Lowtax just wanted those idiots to give him bux.

For election toxxes it's only a permaban if you specifically say it's a perma-toxx.

Also, concerning the culture of the farms, the only things I'd really do to change things would be to a) have a white nationalism general up in here and b) merge the pro and anti Trump threads into one, the Trump Thunderdome.
 
What's probably confusing people is that the Trump thread in 2016 was involuntarily changed to be all permaban toxxes by one of the C-SPAM mods (who was one of the people who got demodded after the election because he was butthurt and didn't want to ban all the hillary posters).
 
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Toxxes were always regular bans because the people who particular were active posters and the reregs (plus plat and avatars) were guaranteed income for our star child. Lowtax even made an FB post about this year's elections because he "needed money." Then he was informed that his limp-wristed mods had already declared they weren't doing it anymore, even before the thing blew up with Logan and they mostly stopped banning at all
 
Toxxes were always regular bans because the people who particular were active posters and the reregs (plus plat and avatars) were guaranteed income for our star child. Lowtax even made an FB post about this year's elections because he "needed money." Then he was informed that his limp-wristed mods had already declared they weren't doing it anymore, even before the thing blew up with Logan and they mostly stopped banning at all

That's when he should have replaced those mods with a team who will do it. He's just as limp wristed as they are.
 
What's probably confusing people is that the Trump thread in 2016 was involuntarily changed to be all permaban toxxes by one of the C-SPAM mods (who was one of the people who got demodded after the election because he was butthurt and didn't want to ban all the hillary posters).
The change to permaban toxxes was made by zen death robot, who was the programmer being paid for his work with an admin star at that time.
 
lol, what a fucking faggot

It's gonna be cool to see how many goons kill themselves when DRUMPF gets elected again
Well that's just a question of if he will get elected again. If Donald Trump gets elected again, great more comedy material from the left later on.

If Donald Trump doesn't win again then that's that then.
 
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Well that's just a question of if he will get elected again. If Donald Trump gets elected again, great more comedy material from the left later on.

If Donald Trump doesn't win again then that's that then.

No, it's a win-win:
  • If Trump wins you can make c-spam melt down by telling them how america made its choice and it's four more years of MAGA
  • If Biden wins you can make c-spam melt down by reminding them that socialism lost, bernie fuckin' blew it, and they're so out of touch the dems didn't need their votes anyway
Either way it will be really easy and fun to troll the left. the bernie thing would be funnier imo
 
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