Netflix's "Cuties" - The Preteen Sexual Objectification Equivalent of "Funny Games"

[Smithfield Ham]

Boy, a huge portion of America's "cultural elite" really want to normalize child sexualization

 

[School of Fish]

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Boy, a huge portion of America's "cultural elite" really want to normalize child sexualization

Well I'll just let George Carlin take over from there then.

 

[Getting tard comed]

So I'm hearing calls about how they need to investigate Netflix and the people involved in the production of 'Cuties' then. Now let me explain here why this is a bad idea by the way.

So let's say an investigation is launched to see if Netflix was involved in child sexual exploitation. Do you think that Netflix is just going to stand there?

The first thing that Netflix will do is use their enormous capital at their disposal to hire the best lawyers that the United States can offer and team up with several non-profit organizations to argue that the government is infringing of their 'First Amendment' rights to free expression and they can argue that while the film can be seen as offensive and also questionable, they can argue that adults should have the right to buy and consume any offensive fictional content that they want and the state and federal governments should not police what fictional content that people can or can't consume in a Federal Court then.

Now if the Federal Courts don't agree with Netflix then the Supreme Court differently will where they can argue this case to the Supreme Court justices and if a federal prosecutor can't come up with argument better than 'This offends people, it needs to be banned' then the Supreme Court will then side with Netflix and even result in most obscenity laws both on a state and federal level getting nuked from the law books then.

The last major Supreme Court case regarding obscenity was the 1973 Miller vs. California case where a man from California named 'Marvin Miller' was then given an obscenity charge for running a mail order porn business where he mailed out a brochure that advertised his porn business and the authorities arrested him for mailing out his brochure promoting his business and this would be taken to the Supreme Court later on where he argued that his First Amendment rights were being violated. The Supreme Court at the time didn't really know how to define 'obscenity' so what then resulted was the 'Miller Test' where if something lacks any social value and also lacks any serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value then it is considered to be 'obscene' if said content passes the Miller Test then

So the big issue I have with trying to fight Netflix by legal means is that both the government and the American Right will lose. The big problem with the American Right is that they always kept losing these types of battles in the culture wars because they cannot come up with better arguments other than, 'My Christian upbringing says it's wrong so this should not be seen as normal and so it should be banned then '. There's a reason why the progressives have a stronger track record of winning these types of battles in the culture wars because they know how to play this game well by the way.

The problem with trying to fight Netflix by legal means is that it will give the progressives a huge advantage because they can easily turn the tide and change the narrative as to 'the government is trying to censor creative freedom' then. The American Right will keep losing because they refuse to come up with sound arguments that doesn't involves Christianity and the American Left will keep winning because they know the weaknesses of their right-wing counterparts and exploit them to always get what they want in the end.

So if you ask me, trying to fight Netflix on this issue by legal means is going to backfire on both the politicians that got offended by this stupid movie and also backfire on the American right then. A lot has changed since 1973 so this time I'm sure the progressives will win again.

Now the best course of action here is to let this stupid movie fade into obscurity and let it become a footnote of cinema history by that point.

The only winning move is not to play then.

"If you kill your enemies, they win"

Brilliant! Love the self defeating attitude and doomerism! Keep it up!. Meanwhile sexualizing children can continue as scheduled and more children will be exploited.

 

[CivilianOfTheFandomWars]

It’s a weird ass movie that features Robert Pattinson jacking off to a mermaid figurine multiple times, fucking a mermaid, and shots of his ass, but Cuties makes it seem so wholesome in comparison.

Yeah, but I don’t think an actual mermaid was fucked for the movie.

 

[School of Fish]

"If you kill your enemies, they win"

Brilliant! Love the self defeating attitude and doomerism! Keep it up!. Meanwhile sexualizing children can continue as scheduled and more children will be exploited.

Well you got me here but you can also argue that it's still a lose-lose situation.

If we don't fight, they win. If we do fight, they still win because the rich and powerful elites control everything.

It's a big club and you're not in it. We're just insignificant ants compared to the powerful elites anyway.

 

[AnOminous]

"If you kill your enemies, they win"

I wouldn't mind taking a couple Ls like that. I'd be entirely happy to lose until I was out of enemies tbh.

 

[Personal Jesus]

Where's Samuel Collingwood Smith when you need him to take down the pedos at Netflix and some of the cunts defending this movie, specially MovieBob?

 

[Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed]

So I just wasted my time to watch this. His "analysis" is contradictory and retarded, and I'll boil it down so you don't have to watch it:

> wow, this movie was boring!
> the dances were so fucking sexualized
> BUT without them i wouldn't remember this movie
> BUT THIS AIN'T PEDO CANDY GAIS USE UR BIG BRAIIIIIN
> YOU'RE AS BAD AS THE SJW FOR THINKING THIS MOVIE APPEALS TO PEDOS!!!!
> The actresses didn't seem to feel exploited, so they weren't.
> IF YOU SAY "THAT COULD BE MY DAUGHTER" YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT ANY OTHER CHILDREN!!!!! ABUSE THAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IS YOUR FAULT!

What the fuck is he on?

I don't know if he's familiar with the concept of a slippery slope.

What makes him think there won't be at least a few people that would wank off to the clips being circulated on the Internet?

 

[AnOminous]

Where's Samuel Collingwood Smith when you need him to take down the pedos at Netflix and some of the cunts defending this movie, specially MovieBob?

Probably stalking some underage Evanescence fans.

 

[DumbDude42]

How the fuck is sexualizing yourself empowering in the first place

it isn't, it's just the result of the left's pathologic contrarianism

>look, the right wingers are for public decency and against nudity!
>that means we should get naked as often as possible! take out your tits, i bet the nazis feel really owned now!
>look, the right wingers are against porn and prostitution!
>that means we should promote it as hard as we can! suck random strangers dicks to own the nazis!

i know i'm oversimplifying it, but this is the core of the thought process behind the whole bullshit "sexual empowerment" narrative they keep pushing.

 

[Getting tard comed]

Well you got me here but you can also argue that it's still a lose-lose situation.

If we don't fight, they win. If we do fight, they still win because the rich and powerful elites control everything.

It's a big club and you're not in it. We're just insignificant ants compared to the powerful elites anyway.

The club, by definition can't be that big. That's what we are seeing with the backlash. Sexually exploiting kids will never be in vogue in a western country. But let's play out your scenario.

If you don't fight it more kids get abused and more importantly by not fighting it you consent to it. Your silence is compliance.

If we do fight it and we lose, then we live in a society(tm) that says its legally OK to sexually exploit children. I'll take that bet, let's see how long that lasts and how "safe" people who engage in that behavior turn out. A judge in Texas just fled the state(allegedly) due to her decision leading to a child's continued abuse. She didn't do it, she didn't even encourage it, she got death threats(allegedly) for negligent actions that led to it. If you think then "legalizing" child exploitation turns out well for child exploiters you are absolutely crazy.

Somehow you don't even bring up the chance of winning the fight, classic doomer btw, but seeing as how theres an actual list with requirements "Cuties" material meets to define it as child porn I dont see how you lose that case. The list is linked to in this thread.


Theres no benefit to being a doomer. It's always the wrong choice, it's almost always incorrect in it's assessment and analysis.

 

[Table Country]

So I'm hearing calls about how they need to investigate Netflix and the people involved in the production of 'Cuties' then. Now let me explain here why this is a bad idea by the way.

So let's say an investigation is launched to see if Netflix was involved in child sexual exploitation. Do you think that Netflix is just going to stand there?

The first thing that Netflix will do is use their enormous capital at their disposal to hire the best lawyers that the United States can offer and team up with several non-profit organizations to argue that the government is infringing of their 'First Amendment' rights to free expression and they can argue that while the film can be seen as offensive and also questionable, they can argue that adults should have the right to buy and consume any offensive fictional content that they want and the state and federal governments should not police what fictional content that people can or can't consume in a Federal Court then.

Now if the Federal Courts don't agree with Netflix then the Supreme Court differently will where they can argue this case to the Supreme Court justices and if a federal prosecutor can't come up with argument better than 'This offends people, it needs to be banned' then the Supreme Court will then side with Netflix and even result in most obscenity laws both on a state and federal level getting nuked from the law books then.

The last major Supreme Court case regarding obscenity was the 1973 Miller vs. California case where a man from California named 'Marvin Miller' was then given an obscenity charge for running a mail order porn business where he mailed out a brochure that advertised his porn business and the authorities arrested him for mailing out his brochure promoting his business and this would be taken to the Supreme Court later on where he argued that his First Amendment rights were being violated. The Supreme Court at the time didn't really know how to define 'obscenity' so what then resulted was the 'Miller Test' where if something lacks any social value and also lacks any serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value then it is considered to be 'obscene' if said content passes the Miller Test then

So the big issue I have with trying to fight Netflix by legal means is that both the government and the American Right will lose. The big problem with the American Right is that they always kept losing these types of battles in the culture wars because they cannot come up with better arguments other than, 'My Christian upbringing says it's wrong so this should not be seen as normal and so it should be banned then '. There's a reason why the progressives have a stronger track record of winning these types of battles in the culture wars because they know how to play this game well by the way.

The problem with trying to fight Netflix by legal means is that it will give the progressives a huge advantage because they can easily turn the tide and change the narrative as to 'the government is trying to censor creative freedom' then. The American Right will keep losing because they refuse to come up with sound arguments that doesn't involves Christianity and the American Left will keep winning because they know the weaknesses of their right-wing counterparts and exploit them to always get what they want in the end.

So if you ask me, trying to fight Netflix on this issue by legal means is going to backfire on both the politicians that got offended by this stupid movie and also backfire on the American right then. A lot has changed since 1973 so this time I'm sure the progressives will win again.

Now the best course of action here is to let this stupid movie fade into obscurity and let it become a footnote of cinema history by that point.

The only winning move is not to play then.

Counterpoint: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dost_test

 

[I can't imagine]

Counterpoint: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dost_test

From the Wikipedia article:

Thus, it is possible for material to fail the Dost test, but still be protected by the first amendment, since Miller requires failure on all three of its prongs before the government may be said to have a permissible governmental interest in prohibiting a given work, where Miller requires that any given work be considered as a whole. Such was reaffirmed in Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition[14] And again in United States V. Williams,[15] two cases which affirmed that virtual child pornography could not be outlawed on the rationale of Dost nor the rationale of Miller, because to do so would necessarily infringe on that material which the Miller doctrine was intended by the court to protect.

Just failing the Dost test isn't enough for it to be declared obscene. And if you're not aware, the courts have tended to err on the side of "artistic merit" in an absurd number of cases, so that prong of the Miller test is pretty hard to get past.

It's not exactly a slam dunk case.

 

[School of Fish]

The club, by definition can't be that big. That's what we are seeing with the backlash. Sexually exploiting kids will never be in vogue in a western country. But let's play out your scenario.

If you don't fight it more kids get abused and more importantly by not fighting it you consent to it. Your silence is compliance.

If we do fight it and we lose, then we live in a society(tm) that says its legally OK to sexually exploit children. I'll take that bet, let's see how long that lasts and how "safe" people who engage in that behavior turn out. A judge in Texas just filed the state(allegedly) due to her decision leading to a child's continued abuse. She didn't do it, she didn't even encourage it, she got death threats(allegedly) for negligent actions that led to it. If you think then "legalizing" child exploitation turns out well for child exploiters you are absolutely crazy.

Somehow you don't even bring up the chance of winning the fight, classic doomer btw, but seeing as how theres an actual list with requirements "Cuties" material meets to define it as child porn I dont see how you lose that case. The list is linked to in this thread.


Theres no benefit to being a doomer. It's always the wrong choice, it's almost always incorrect in it's assessment and analysis.

Well they already killed Jeffery Epstein before he could go to trial and they claimed it was a 'suicide' which I really doubt. Now there is Ghislaine Maxwell and they've been moving her around to try to prevent the death of another critical witness in the case as her trial will be set for next year and if you're also paying any attention to the case the judge that was assigned the case had her son killed and her husband wounded.

The thing you have to now realize is do not underestimate these people because if you do then it's game over then. If you're going to enter the deepest and darkest abyss then you better come prepared then.

 

[tigergrinder]

Well I saw the last hour of this with some friends tonight.

Nobody told me there's a scene where she gets her pants pulled down.

 

[Higgins]

So I did the unthinkable and I watched Cuties in full. I figure if I'm going to discuss the movie, I might as well see it so I have a full picture and just judge for myself. Before I say anything, I want to make it very clear that I don't blame anyone who refuses to see this film. The scenes that have been posted here, regardless of their intent, are really disgusting and I'm not stupid enough to stick my neck to defend them. The politicization of this movie is typically clownworld. Pseudo intellectuals are using it as an opportunity to virtue signal as they always do and it's opening the floodgates for pedos to peddle their propaganda. For the record, I watched the movie while fast forwarding through the nasty parts that have been posted here.

Spoiler: What happens in the movie

So this girl Amy lives with her Senegalese mother and brother. The family is deeply religious and conservative (not in the political sense but traditional in customs and modesty). There's a scene where the family's at a prayer circle and the person leading it is going on about how women are to be pious and that more women will be hell than men, an attitude by her aunt. Earlier on it's established that Amy's a bit impressionable and wants to fit in. She mimics Angelica (the kid in doing laundry in the trailer) by trying to iron her hair like her. She overhears the news about her father marrying a second wife which destroys her mom emotionally. She meets the "Cuties" whom can be described as mini Danielle Bregolis. They're rude foul mouth little brats who dress like street walkers and initially bully Amy (One of them throws a rock at her earlier on). They try to act older than they are, watching sexually suggestive music videos and hitting on older boys who all reject their offers because no shit. Despite their behavior, the movie does remind you that they are still immature little kids. The condom scene shows the kids visibly shocked and upset when one of the Cuties start playing with it which cuts to a scene of them washing her mouth out with soap.

It's implied in a very shallow way that the Cuties lack any real parental supervision. Angelica tells Amy that she barely see her parents because they work all the time and they call her a failure and a bad daughter. The movie doesn't do nearly enough to develop this with the rest of the group and its a classic example of why show don't tell is a good thing. To the film's credit, it treats Amy's involvement with the Cuties as a downward spiral as a result of the impending marriage that Amy has to attend. Social media is used to chart Amy's descent in degenerate behavior. It goes from filtered duckface selfies to underage provocative dancing to the absolute worst : posting a picture of her vagina on social media ( a move that even the girls say was going too far.) The family has the reasonable reaction to what's going on and conducts an exorcism in which little Amy twerks (I swear I'm not joking). This all culminates to the infamous dance number at the end. Amy has a nervous breakdown because the competition's the same day as the wedding and she runs home in tears. Mom puts two and two together and allows her to not attend. The movie ends with Amy playing outside, forgoing the cuties outfit and the traditional Senegalese dress for the wedding (MESSAGE!!!) to be a normal kid. There, I saved you an hour and a half of your life.

TL;DR It's the basic bitch story of someone who falls into the wrong crowd due to personal strife. I don't recommend it. Not just because of the pedo bait aspect, but because the story being told is very derivative and amateurish. You could change the Senegalese poly marriage conflict to the parents getting a divorce and the story would largely be unaffected. The really fuckup bits do have some context behind them and the movie isn't as heavy on it as you imagine, but one thing is undeniably true.

When I decided to watch this, I had one question I wanted answered: Would the story have been as effective if you used teenagers for the leads instead of 11 year olds. After watching it, I can answer that question with a resounding YES. I believe the only reason that decision was made was the director wanted to be edgy and provocative. While I believe the director had good intentions with the message, she simply isn't talented enough and careful with the subject. If you gonna tell this kind of cautionary tale, you need to have some dire consequences. At no point are do any of the kids deal with the ramifications of what they're doing. This girl fucking posts a picture of her vagina online and not one creep tries anything? No threats to send her back to Senegal for acting like this? Bull fucking shit. Say what you will about a movie like KIDS, but that movie really goes to show how fuck up engaging in that kind of shit is.

 

[Piga Dgrifm]

The fact that the question "Is it bad for adults to direct children to shake their mostly nude butts in front of a camera for the entertainment of other adults?" is being turned into a Left VS Right issue is mind boggling to me. This is really the sort of thing that should be bringing the political divide closer together lmao.

 

[NerdShamer]

The fact that the question "Is it bad for adults to direct children to shake their mostly nude butts in front of a camera for the entertainment of other adults?" is being turned into a Left VS Right issue is mind boggling to me. This is really the sort of thing that should be bringing the political divide closer together lmao.

Eh, everything is a political warzone, nowadays. It's just that hardly anyone, on both sides, likes a pedo.

 

[tehpope]

I agree with both @School of Fish and @Getting tard comed. This is a battle worth fighting for. But the right needs to read the room and pump the breaks. At least until the election is over with. The dead is done. The film has already been made. Nothing can be done. We should prevent shit like this from happening again and shine a light on it to show how scummy the left it. But the election is too costly to lose.

I don't think goating the right to be pro censorship was the original idea, but maybe it is now. All under the idea of "never let a crisis go to waste" Netflix just wanted to release the film. They probably knew it'd be controversial and that would drive a lot of views. They didn't know it'd be this big. Like with Biden, this just landed in their lap.

 

[Purin Chan]

Saw this clip of a review making the rounds on shitpost tier tweeter. thought yall would appreciate some free misery

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Here is the sauce, no need to thank me

Kinda late on this one but here's an archive of the full video

Spoiler: My Two Cents for those who give a shit

I've seen some discussion about loli in this thread and my personal opinion on it is that, whether you detest lolicons or like to jack it to anime kids, fact of the matter is that the actors in Cuties are real children being taken advantage of. An issue like this is probably the one time both sides can come together and tell Netflix to suck a dick for allowing this movie into their catalogue.