The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

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3119967d0c said:
Devuan is where it's at.

Lennart Poettring- who morally speaking deserves to be tortured to death in Minecraft for his various crimes- has criticized Devuan's mailing lists for being unwoke. That's a glowing endorsement as far as I'm concerned.
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Poettering also cried about Linus being mean. And about receiving "death threats" because some people were very obviously joking about starting a crowdfunding campaign to have him assassinated in some random IRC channel:

And all this is coming from a huge asshole who's constantly rude and inflammatory himself, who hijacked some sperg's technical talk with questions like "Do you hate disabled people?".
 
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Aidan said:
Maybe they hate sjws and autism in general? The linux community has enough of both to be annoying to any sane person.
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Yeah. Every time I look at it, I'm kind of eager to get off Windows, and Linux is pretty cool, but then I look at the billion distros (which I've tried most of in the past), the fact that everything is broken or incomplete, and there's an army of people for any given piece of popular software for the platform who wish you'd die for using it, it's all just so tiresome. Why does everyone who uses it have to make everything about it political?
 
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You don't notice any of that unless you go to the autism lairs. It's well known within the community that a problem with wider adoption is gatekeeping and snobbery. Don't let it get it to you and just ignore those people. For normal use you can use any stable distro and not really deal with that unless you want to do something very specific.
 
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3119967d0c said:
Incredible. This only strengthens my wish to see Poettering tortured to death in Minecraft.
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make sure to sit through the entire thing!

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The Fool said:
Yeah. Every time I look at it, I'm kind of eager to get off Windows, and Linux is pretty cool, but then I look at the billion distros (which I've tried most of in the past), the fact that everything is broken or incomplete, and there's an army of people for any given piece of popular software for the platform who wish you'd die for using it, it's all just so tiresome. Why does everyone who uses it have to make everything about it political?
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if somebody's invested in compsci, operating systems and software freedom to the point where they're using hobbyist nonprofit oses like openbsd or 9front as their daily driver, then yeah you can bet your fucking ass it's probably for batshit ideological reasons

i often lament just how much of a dysfunctional clusterfuck the foss community is, how desktop linux seems to be constantly making one measly step forward before it falls flat on its ass for the 69 millionth time, and how it's been co-opted by aro genderqueer """anarchist hackers""" from san francisco and beastly megacorps. then i remember the only long-term alternative is a lifetime of microshit using me as a guinea pig and relentlessly buttfucking me with windows 10... and if i don't like it, then clearly i should just start using linux instead ːDDDD
 
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So who uses Linux for vidya? what are your experiences so far, yay or nay?

I am personally waiting till Easy Anti Cheat can be implemented (somehow) then I can make the jump for good. There are some games that I play every now and use EAC for cheat protection.
 
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So who uses Linux for vidya? what are your experiences so far, yay or nay?

I am personally waiting till Easy Anti Cheat can be implemented (somehow) then I can make the jump for good. There are some games that I play every now and use EAC for cheat protection.
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I've had no issues. Steam Proton is really nice and probably means your entire steam library works fine. For everything else there's either a linux version available or lutris covers it no problem. The remaining ones would presumably work with some Wine tinkering if you cared so much.
You can search lutris.net for supported titles, I think they cover all the steam proton titles anyway but they also have some remarks on how good or bad things run.

oh but I don't play anything requiring EAC because fuck that. You can get around that if you're dedicated using a proper vm but it'll require doubling up on hardware.
 
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I once had a discussion with a complete idiot that found that the standard file hierarchy (/bin/ /home/ etc.) is too complicated and hard to understand and typing "man hier" for explanation is also too complicated because apparently distros don't tell you with big flashing letters or something. You don't want wider adaption. Wider adoption means everything gets stupified for mouth breathers and ruins everything. The average person is an idiot. I don't care if saying that makes me elitist or a snob. It's the reality of it. Making things idiot proof is fine for cars and escalators so people don't kill themselves and others en masse but please don't try to make my professional tools idiot proof because it'll inconvenience me and the idiots will still find ways to shove them up their noses and then bitch about it that it hurt. That's also how you get garbage like systemd.

If you tweak on gentoo all the time you're doing it wrong. I have the same base system installed for over a decade now and I haven't touched some files in etc in years. (recently I found some small log excerpt squared away in /root/ that still referenced the systems floppy disk drive) That's the luxury of having control of everything and not having things shoved down your throat by maintainers who follow trends. Also I have a modern Ryzen now and compile times for some packages are in the <1min range. That chip costed about 200 bucks and is also super energy efficient so by no means broke the bank, especially considering how long I'll have it. The learning curve is more steep if you want to do things right with gentoo but you'll also learn why it's bad to make things for "wider adoption" and how a lot of modern "idiot-proof" tools are just overengineered iterations of stuff that was already around and working fine over twenty years ago.
 
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AmpleApricots said:
I once had a discussion with a complete idiot that found that the standard file hierarchy (/bin/ /home/ etc.) is too complicated and hard to understand and typing "man hier" for explanation is also too complicated because apparently distros don't tell you with big flashing letters or something. You don't want wider adaption. Wider adoption means everything gets stupified for mouth breathers and ruins everything. The average person is an idiot. I don't care if saying that makes me elitist or a snob. It's the reality of it. Making things idiot proof is fine for cars and escalators so people don't kill themselves and others en masse but please don't try to make my professional tools idiot proof because it'll inconvenience me and the idiots will still find ways to shove them up their noses and then bitch about it that it hurt. That's also how you get garbage like systemd.

If you tweak on gentoo all the time you're doing it wrong. I have the same base system installed for over a decade now and I haven't touched some files in etc in years. (recently I found some small log excerpt squared away in /root/ that still referenced the systems floppy disk drive) That's the luxury of having control of everything and not having things shoved down your throat by maintainers who follow trends. Also I have a modern Ryzen now and compile times for some packages are in the <1min range. That chip costed about 200 bucks and is also super energy efficient so by no means broke the bank, especially considering how long I'll have it. The learning curve is more steep if you want to do things right with gentoo but you'll also learn why it's bad to make things for "wider adoption" and how a lot of modern "idiot-proof" tools are just overengineered iterations of stuff that was already around and working fine over twenty years ago.
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You can have your gentoo be autism proof while normies go for shit like mint, they're not mutually exclusive, honestly windows is far more complicated but normies are fine because they used it since they were kids, it'll just be a learning experience. It would be better for everyone if software was just made for Linux.
 
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Why is systemd shit? I've read a lot of arguments on both sides, but I still don't really follow them.
 
cecograph said:
Why is systemd shit? I've read a lot of arguments on both sides, but I still don't really follow them.
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I believe the logic goes something like this: In order for the software to remain free as in freedom(You are free to know what the program does, modify what it does and distriubute your new version), you have to be able to look at the code and know what it's doing. Therefore each piece of software and its code should be kept concise and simple and essentially serve one purpose, enabling any individual with the know-how to check out the code and determine if the software is doing anything they don't want it to do. Linux distros are generally built in this way. The kernel(Linux), the window manager, the web browser, the compilers(gnu) etc are all separate pieces of software made by separate groups and the code for each is available to anyone who wants it, unlike say, Windows where everything is a part of Windows by default and everything is made by Microsoft and you cannot look at the code.

Systemd has evolved to the point where it manages most of your distro's essential services like network connections and it has gotten so big and complicated it's difficult for a single individual or even group of individuals to take a look at the code and make sure it isn't doing anything untoward, such as, say, creating a backdoor for the NSA. This goes against the traditional Linux/Open Source/GNU philosophy.

On the flipside, systemd does so much that the average end user has to do a lot less fucking around to make their computer work. I can remember using Ubuntu back in the early 2000s, for example, and even though it was aimed at novices, there were often things that just didn't work and I'd have to scour the internet looking for a way to get my wireless connection working. That's something I don't really have to do today thanks to systemd managing things like network connections.

Today, most distros are totally dependent on systemd and many pieces of open source software rely on it, causing more controversy because it gives its developers a disproportionate amount of control over the open source community. What if say, the systemd developers decided that the developer of another piece of open source software which relies on systemd is problematic, and thus they purposely break compatibility? Who would stop them? Traditionally you'd just fork the software in that situation, but systemd is so big now, you'd need a whole team of people to do that.

Someone who knows more can correct or add, but I think I have the major points in there.
 
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AmpleApricots said:
typing "man hier" for explanation
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I had never, ever heard that one. How many other secret man pages that don't correspond to a program are lurking out there?

Never Scored said:
back in the early 2000s, for example, (...) I'd have to scour the internet looking for a way to get my wireless connection working.
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At least some things never change.
 
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On the flipside, systemd does so much that the average end user has to do a lot less fucking around to make their computer work. I can remember using Ubuntu back in the early 2000s, for example, and even though it was aimed at novices, there were often things that just didn't work and I'd have to scour the internet looking for a way to get my wireless connection working. That's something I don't really have to do today thanks to systemd managing things like network connections.
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systemd doesn't manage network connections (unless they swallowed another project while I wasn't looking). NetworkManager does this on distros like Ubuntu. The normal Ubuntu or other "foolproof" desktop distro user would not even know if he was using systemd or not. It does not change anything for them.
 
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