Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[LORD IMPERATOR]

What movies where you watching?

Obviously not the OT where a Sith walks into the scene after the first battle and the search for a Jedi is part of the early plot.

 

[Creep3r]

All shit involving Jedi and The Empire.

You know what would be great? A show about a dude..lets make him a Bounty Hunter..who is on the outer edge far away from The New Republic and The First order's gay ass slap fight..hunting down criminals..Wholly unconnected to anything involving the eternal dick measuring contest between two fucking brain dead cults.

There was actually quite a bit of Empire vs Republic focused media, mostly in campaigns, Dark Horse and a few novels. In terms of televised media, there was also a 3PO and R2-focused cartoon with very little to no Imperial/Rebel presence which was mostly just them getting handed over from master to master. Also the First Order is about as eternal as a gross bunion.

Oh man that has me hyped.

The game has aged very well and even had an HD re-release on the PS4.

There was even a pseudo-sequel in the works in the form of 1313 but Disney canned it along with a shit ton of other great projects. Including a smuggling game, a space outlaw game and a solo Han Solo game.

 

[HandsomeDan]

Despite the other troubling news about Season 2 that may or may not be true, I can almost assure you that the baby yoda thing will be overused. The child sidekick theme is fine, even the dynamic of a "father" taking a "baby" into dangerous survival situations is a good thing, however what will ultimately hurt the show is that the baby will not grow older fast enough so we miss out on the mental and physical advancement of the child character.

I hated what they did to star wars so much that I refused to even watch the Mandalorian for months, knowing nothing about it, the revelation of the "50 year old" bounty was truly a surprise to me and did something for me disney has been incapable of doing with their garbage work (except for when Red Leader and Gold Leader were shown on Rogue One) which is give me that old feeling of excitement and wonder long absent since the OT. They will not be able to duplicate this feeling with the baby yoda character again in season 2, they will pound us over the head with that character and recapturing the magic may be hard.

Could an old grizzled Boba Fett do this? ... Maybe so. Worn out clone wars characters who should all be dead?...certainly not.


On another note, I really dont care for the all silver armor, this is a prequel/clone wars style I do not care for. I would like to see his armor be multi colored like the Fett armor (and his orginal armor in the first episodes) was.

 

[Miller]

can almost assure you that the baby yoda thing will be overused. The child sidekick theme is fine, even the dynamic of a "father" taking a "baby" into dangerous survival situations is a good thing, however what will ultimately hurt the show is that the baby will not grow older fast enough so we miss out on the mental and physical advancement of the child character.

I see a lot of comments like that. Why do people hate the Child so much? Do they expect Favreau and his team to drop the character after the first season because of the merchandising? The baby is not a Porg or any other gimmick from the Sequel Trilogy, it wasn't created to sell merch, it's basic storytelling. Mando got a new mission at the end of the first season, he has to bring that child to some remnant of the Jedi Order. It will probably happen during the second season and then Mando will find something else to do.

 

[HandsomeDan]

I see a lot of comments like that. Why do people hate the Child so much? Do they expect Favreau and his team to drop the character after the first season because of the merchandising? The baby is not a Porg or any other gimmick from the Sequel Trilogy, it wasn't created to sell merch, it's basic storytelling. Mando got a new mission at the end of the first season, he has to bring that child to some remnant of the Jedi Order. It will probably happen during the second season and then Mando will find something else to do.

I dont hate the child, as I said I think it was one of the most shockingly refreshingly ideas they have come up with and as I have said before I love the baby character with all the shrillness of a pre-teen girl attending a pop concert. My concern is that if the child is in fact a permanent character will there be an opportunity for the character to mature as it is a species that ages slowly. My concern is that the "cuteness" factor will be overused rather than have a character that grows in ability and understanding as influenced by his "father" figure.

You are right though the child sure as hell is no "Porg".

 

[Lonely Grave]

I didn't see this posted anywhere, but here's EA/Motive's latest Squadrons trailer; it seems they've been in bed with Lucasfilms for this one...

The Imperial perspective is pretty darned good. The game won't break the no-preorder commandment but it's gotten close. And all this coming from EA, of all publishers...

 

[Godzilla@1989]

Even if people hated TPM, at least the people working in it had fun. That’s more than you can say about the What If Trilogy.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Even if people hated TPM, at least the people working in it had fun. That’s more than you can say about the What If Trilogy.
View attachment 1600593

I had fun with TPM. It wasn't going to win any Oscars, but it was a fun movie, and that's all it needed to be.

 

[White Devil]

People focus too much on the disappointment TPM was, though you can blame the hype machine at the time too. It's a fun movie if you just disengage your brain. Fucking midi chlorians though, jesus.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

People focus too much on the disappointment TPM was, though you can blame the hype machine at the time too. It's a fun movie if you just disengage your brain. Fucking midi chlorians though, jesus.

Midichlorians were already introduced in Episode VI. They just didn't have the word for it back then. But even in ROTJ, Leia had the Force because she popped out of the right womb and had Darth Vader's genetics in her due to being his daughter, and even in Episode V they hinted at Leia having Force powers since she could hear Luke's call as the latter fell from his duel in Bespin. Face it, the Force was already a biological trait even back in the OT era. Why do you think Obi-Wan only bothered to teach Luke how to use the Force and not anyone else? Because he was the son of a Jedi Knight and had the right genetics for it. That's why midichlorians didn't bother me in the slightest in TPM. To me, it was just more technobabble to explain why the Force can only be used by a select few instead of everyone having the capacity to become a Jedi.

Heck, even the Expanded Universe would explain things like Kyle Katarn's Force-sensitivity by saying that his old man, Morgan Katarn, was Force-sensitive. And that came BEFORE the Prequels, so even the OT-era EU was saying that Force-sensitivity is something genetic. Otherwise, everyone from Dash Rendar to Han Solo and Lando Calrissian could use the Force and could be taught Jedi powers and tricks.

 

[Miller]

Fucking midi chlorians though, jesus.

Why? Midichlorians aren't the Force.

 

[jspit]

I'm curious what if any ship porn will be getting in Mando. Are we going to get slave 1? Is it still a Firespray or did they retcon that too?

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

I enjoyed TPM as a kid, and still like it to this day. I'm more than willing to admit that the film functions more as a "Star Wars History Lesson" than a movie, but for a rabid lore-fiend like myself, that was never a problem. It's not without faults, and lacks a lot of merit as a film...but I still regard it as essential when revisiting the saga.

Also, the content released around the film, such as the Jedi Apprentice novels, Luceno's Cloak of Deception and Darth Plagueis, and the spectacular Outlander and Maul comics were fucking killer. I think a lot of the Ep. I-era content gets overshadowed by the kind afforded to Episodes II and III, largely due to the absolute behemoth that was the Clone Wars Multimedia project, but a lot of it as really good.

It wasn't the greatest gamewise, but given the hardware available at the time, I'm not really surprised.

 

[Getting tard comed]

I enjoyed TPM as a kid, and still like it to this day. I'm more than willing to admit that the film functions more as a "Star Wars History Lesson" than a movie, but for a rabid lore-fiend like myself, that was never a problem. It's not without faults, and lacks a lot of merit as a film...but I still regard it as essential when revisiting the saga.

Also, the content released around the film, such as the Jedi Apprentice novels, Luceno's Cloak of Deception and Darth Plagueis, and the spectacular Outlander and Maul comics were fucking killer. I think a lot of the Ep. I-era content gets overshadowed by the kind afforded to the Episodes II and III, largely due to the absolute behemoth that was the Clone Wars Multimedia project, but a lot of it as really good.

It wasn't the greatest gamewise, but given the hardware available at the time, I'm not really surprised.

I like TPM to this day. I highlighted this part because it has a lot of merit as a film separate from SW and that, imo, is its downfall in terms of some popular internet reception. Gonna post something I posted in Mauler's thread but this video(its long AF) really changed how I viewed the prequels and George Lucas and made me think about creativity and the effort that goes into it. If you have the time I'd highly encourage people to watch it.

 

[Creep3r]

I'm curious what if any ship porn will be getting in Mando. Are we going to get slave 1? Is it still a Firespray or did they retcon that too?

Disney nu-Canon loosely implies that the Firespray and Jango's acquiring of the Slave I from the Oovoo IV prison is still part of the nu-lore, however as Porgcuck has said numerous times, Disney canon is worthless and as we've seen the Story Group has no real meaning or purpose so I wouldn't be surprised if they make up some new origin for the Slave I. EAfront II in particular retcons it so now Orange Yoda is the new owner of Boba's ship and it seems to be implied in some comic that Boba and Jango's ships are different, with Jango's ending up on some junk planet to be used by Rey. As far as Disney continuity is concerned, only the godawful Disney Trilogy is infallible as even the OT has received a few retcons. Which is why I have little interest in the Mandalorian if they still plan to remain within a continuity that where the DT reigns supreme, which seems to be the case as 8 years after ROTJ in this setting, the jedi are still just a rumor rather than a New Republic endorsed faction and Luke barely even exists, so I'm inclined to believe that they're still going with the sequel narrative and the bullshit introduced via Kylo Ren.

And in regards to the trailer, I will at least give them some praise for finally getting rid of all the disgusting scrotum-based Disney aliens and using OT, PT and EU aliens in there for the trailer which caught me by surprise, including a fucking Abyssin as an arena-loving gang leader which is all too fitting, Gamorreans being used for gladiator sport, a pair of Rybets, and a water planet that serves as a Quarren colony of which they had many of. Only flaw would be in the last once since it shows both Mon Calamari and Quarren co-existing despite being in an eternal feud, unless of course this is a reference to the X-Wing Rogue Squadron comics wherever a Mon Cala and Quarren romance in that story inspired others of their kind to try and co-exist, but I'm skeptical since Filoni isn't one for that kind of blatant lore recognition unless he can spin it as an original idea.

But regardless of bringing back familiar aliens, it amazes me that it took them 6 years to remember what the galaxy's inhabitants are supposed to fucking look like.

there is only a maincast of 2 and they need a couple of new allies and villains.

Then just make new allies and villains instead of recycling Filoni OCs for the millionth time. Or use allies and villains that haven't gotten any screentime since the Disney buyout but fit with the era if you want old characters to milk.

Well, if Grace Randolph's sources are correct (which unlike Doomcock's, aren't reddit) you're shit out of luck I'm afraid.
It seems that Pedro Pascal is out after a serious blow up with Favreau and Filoni about their insistence that the mask stays on and he flounced half way through the production. It seems the final straw was him going over their heads and crying to Kathleen Kennedy, who was already at odds with Favreau and Filoni because she wanted more stand alone episodes and they wanted more of a continuous storyl-ine, after that Pascal was told to leave.
Hence all the rumors about the second half of the season featuring mostly new characters. No word on if he'll be back. So you can expect a shit-load more Filoni filler as they try to plug the gap.

She has a more consistent track record than Doomcock so I have less doubts, although I'll still take it with a grain of salt. But I honestly wouldn't be surprised if this is the case with Pascal. Hiding your face in Hollywood these days is pretty much considered taboo, and a lot of actors and diversity types get salty about that sort of thing. Never mind that Prowse and Jones embraced their combined helmeted role. Also Pascal crying to Kennedy feels like an example of Filoni getting a taste of his own medicine, since he pulled the same thing on Leland Chee back during Filoni Wars' production. Anyway yeah, people are already saying they spotted Aladdin's Rebels characters in the new trailer...

 

[BasiWep]

The game has aged very well and even had an HD re-release on the PS4

Bounty Hunter is still one of my favorite SW games. Still have it with my Gamecube, and still a better story than most of what the Rat can squeeze out. Komari Vosa, Montross, giving Zam Wessell a background. I dread Disney ever touching that property, and long to see what 1313 could have been.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Bounty Hunter is still one of my favorite SW games. Still have it with my Gamecube, and still a better story than most of what the Rat can squeeze out. Komari Vosa, Montross, giving Zam Wessell a background. I dread Disney ever touching that property, and long to see what 1313 could have been.

I have that game on Gamecube, as well as Jedi Outcast and Rogue Squadrons 2 and 3. Gamecube had some really good SW games.

 

[BasiWep]

Gamecube had some really good SW games

It really did. Bounty Hunter, RS III, and Clone Wars are the only surviving GC games I still have. All of them had these amazing alien environments that actually took you away and caught your mind. Taking on the Bando Goa, bringing down an Executor-class super star destroyer over Fondor, and bringing down the Dark Reaper (which was a nice little look at Sith Alchemy and technology with a visit from Uliq Qel-Droma). Feels, feel, feels.

 

[Ghostse]

TPM is a bit of a mess. It would not have been as poorly received if it had been overhyped and if the 90's had played host to a "Shadows of the Empire" trilogy. But it was not the childhood fucking mess I felt it was when it came out and basically until RotS.

I still say AOTC should have been Epidsode 1, TPM would have been a good miniseries. The light saber fights were great, but all the other combat, the Star Wars if you will, was subpar.

Why? Midichlorians aren't the Force.

In my mind, Midichlorians are microbes that 'feed' off the force; their presence denotes the force in a being, but they are not the origin of the force. That doesn't preclude bloodlines having increased force sensitivity.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

It really did. Bounty Hunter, RS III, and Clone Wars are the only surviving GC games I still have. All of them had these amazing alien environments that actually took you away and caught your mind. Taking on the Bando Goa, bringing down an Executor-class super star destroyer over Fondor, and bringing down the Dark Reaper (which was a nice little look at Sith Alchemy and technology with a visit from Uliq Qel-Droma). Feels, feel, feels.

Heck, I just got done playing Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy on a marathon. Those games really should have been the sequels. Most of Jedi Knight 1 already had live-action cutscenes. Just add some 3D models for the duels and fighting and you have your Episode VII, especially since Jerec's main goal was the rebirth of the Empire with himself as the new Emperor, using the power of the Valley of the Jedi to surpass the previous Emperor in power.

Also, it's funny to note that Jerec was played by Christopher Neame, a guy who once played as Marc Anthony in a TV show about Cleopatra. It's kinda fitting that a guy who once played as Marc Anthony played as a guy who was trying to seize power in a time after Space Caesar (Palpatine) kicked the bucket. I suppose the only thing missing would be to have Jerec publicly eulogizing Palpatine and whipping people into a frenzy against the Rebel Alliance/New Republic.

Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy revolved around bad guys trying to revive the Sith, first by building a Dark Jedi army, then by trying to revive an Ancient Sith Lord (Marka Ragnos) so that he can unite the Empire and crush the Jedi, which are far more fitting plots for sequels to ROTJ than the actual Sequel Trilogy ever was. Naturally, with the Empire losing manpower and ground after Vader and Palpatine's deaths, and with the Jedi Order rising once again to support the New Republic, the logical move for the Imperials would be to have their own Dark Jedi army to counter Luke's Jedi Order, as well as trying to have a new ruler who can equal Palpatine in power and vision, be it Jerec or Marka Ragnos. So there's your episodes VIII and IX.

Plus, Desann was what Kylo Ren should have been: calm, threatening, and capable of having a commanding presence even though he looks like a pot-smoking Barney the Dinosaur.

TPM is a bit of a mess. It would not have been as poorly received if it had been overhyped and if the 90's had played host to a "Shadows of the Empire" trilogy. But it was not the childhood fucking mess I felt it was when it came out and basically until RotS.

I still say AOTC should have been Epidsode 1, TPM would have been a good miniseries. The light saber fights were great, but all the other combat, the Star Wars if you will, was subpar.

In my mind, Midichlorians are microbes that 'feed' off the force; their presence denotes the force in a being, but they are the origin of the force. That doesn't preclude bloodlines having increased force sensitivity.

Agreed. TPM could have better explained its concepts and conflicts if they had time to stretch things out and explain stuff, which you can do in a TV show. Then you could have had AOTC be Episode I, Tartakovsky's Clone Wars be Episode II, and ROTS be Episode III.

Bloodlines having increased Force power was a thing from the OT and cannot be revoked, when the OT clearly states that Luke and Leia can be strong in the Force because of who their father is.