Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Creep3r]

I think he's the fourth former Game of Thrones actor Disney Star Wars hired. The first was Gwendoline Christie as Captain Phasma, second was Max Von Sydow as some friend of Princess Leia, the third was Emilia Clarke, where she played Qi'ra in the SOLO movie.

Another example of how back before TLJ Disney was desperate to transform SW into a GoT knockoff from hiring the same actors to even the same writers and directors because it was popular. But after GoT shat the bed, I guess that came back to bite them hard. Fucking morons who knew jack shit about SW kept trying to turn it into the next GoT without realizing any of its pre-existing strengths. This is what happens when you hire a bunch of ass kissers who get all of their info from Twitter, Mrs. Kennedy.

Didn't Clone Wars retcon the mon cal quarren relationship?

If by Filoni Wars, then yes along with fucking over Ryloth, Kaminoan interactions with the Senate, Gardulla's relation to Jabba, Zygerrians depictions and many other things, however that didn't stop the people outside of Filoni Wars from ignoring his shit for the most part since it would undo 30 years of work, with the guides still presenting Ryloth true to its original depiction, mentioning that Mon Cals had different systems of government and still acknowledging stuff from Genndy Wars or taking the least controversial and flawed bits from Filoni Wars and incorporating it in a way that blends better with the setting, like the Lords of Nal Hutta guide did which came out right before Disney dabbed on all their pre-Disney projects. Me, @Adamska and others have described the issues and continuity role of Filoni Wars before.

I wonder if Disney even made back the money they spent acquiring Star Wars.

If they did, it's probably just barely broke even.

I'd guess that it just barely broke even. They didn't earn that much. Now they've got a franchise tied to their necks, whose fans hate them.

I've discussed this in tremendous detail before many pages back which should be easy enough to find with a quick search, but like most here have said, they did make the 4 billion back but that's not a profit, especially when they wasted more than double building and repairing Galaxy's Edge which reflected negatively on their financial reports. For it to have been a profit they needed to make double what they paid for and then some and even more than that by this point, a feat which they've failed to accomplish. When forced to acknowledge this, shills will usually try and claim that Disney made more than enough money back with Avengers and other properties to make it profitable. That ain't a fucking profit. Making money from other IPs to keep SW alive is not a profit. They paid billions for SW expecting that sucker to be worth even more in return by itself and add to their profits, not take away from them. Its a disastrous failure all around.

 

[ZMOT]

I think he's the fourth former Game of Thrones actor Disney Star Wars hired. The first was Gwendoline Christie as Captain Phasma, second was Max Von Sydow as some friend of Princess Leia, the third was Emilia Clarke, where she played Qi'ra in the SOLO movie.

to be fair, max von sydow is an accomplished actor in it's own right, I don't think it was necessarily GOT which made disney hire him.
however, they then proceeded to literally waste him in the first 5 minutes, that's on a whole other level of dumbfuck than what they even did with phasma. it would be like lucas have christopher lee die as some random in the intro of ANH.

Another example of how back before TLJ Disney was desperate to transform SW into a GoT knockoff from hiring the same actors to even the same writers and directors because it was popular. But after GoT shat the bed, I guess that came back to bite them hard. Fucking morons who knew jack shit about SW kept trying to turn it into the next GoT without realizing any of its pre-existing strengths. This is what happens when you hire a bunch of ass kissers who get all of their info from Twitter, Mrs. Kennedy.

I don't think they tried to turn it into GOT, disney just wanted leech off it's popularity. GOT was basically dragons + rape (with less and less dragons as the show went on), which made the normies and housewives go pikachu - that would would never fly under disney, not even for nuwars.
if it was even that and not just hiring them because they constantly heard people talking "OMG HAVE YOU SEEN THIS NEW CRASS POPULAR THING THAT REPLACED WALKING DEAD?!?!" and they were the only actors they could think of with their goldfish memory.

 

[Miller]

Yeah supposedly had a fight with a Disney exec. From what I understand, he wasn't even in the suit for 99% of S1 so it's not like he isn't replaceable.

inB4 they get Sam Witwer to voice Mando.
I mean it wouldn't be a bad choice, the guy actually loves SW and would probably wear the costume 24/7.

 

[White Devil]

inB4 they get Sam Witwer to voice Mando.
I mean it wouldn't be a bad choice, the guy actually loves SW and would probably wear the costume 24/7.

I try to forget The Force Unleashed.

 

[Adamska]

So I had a thought, since @GeneralFriendliness showed me this:

The shills are currently already trying to sell this random Filoni OC for Season 2, and Pedro is more and more likely to be booted out. So here's my tinfoil hypothesis, brought about by the rampant hatred of success everyone at LFL has and the contempt they have for their audience.

Do you think Filoni intentionally worked at Pascal and Favreau to force Pedro into leaving? Because it's clear that the two violently disagreed on one big thing to the point that the former willingly risked destroying his career because of it. Filoni is the type of weasel who already will run to CEOs to go around people and block people who don't like his ideas. He was one of the chief brownnosers who cheered when Luke Skywalker's character was raped by Johnson, whose ideas Kennedy loved and he aped it.

Also they very quickly shat this out using the standard shill methods, not even a couple days after the announcement. While it could be an attempt to drive interest that's being done on the cheap, or to "SyNeRgIzE" the brand, it could also be a method of damage control. Either to force attention away from Pedro possibly dipping or to see if there's interest in shoving Filoni Fic down the normies' throats.

So is it possible that Wolf-Fucker Filoni chose to fuck over this series by using a disagreement between the main lead and other director to forment a split, just to use the chaos to turn Mandalorian into his own fanfiction?

 

[HandsomeDan]

So I had a thought, since @GeneralFriendliness showed me this:

The shills are currently already trying to sell this random Filoni OC for Season 2, and Pedro is more and more likely to be booted out. So here's my tinfoil hypothesis, brought about by the rampant hatred of success everyone at LFL has and the contempt they have for their audience.

Do you think Filoni intentionally worked at Pascal and Favreau to force Pedro into leaving? Because it's clear that the two violently disagreed on one big thing to the point that the former willingly risked destroying his career because of it. Filoni is the type of weasel who already will run to CEOs to go around people and block people who don't like his ideas. He was one of the chief brownnosers who cheered when Luke Skywalker's character was raped by Johnson, whose ideas Kennedy loved and he aped it.

Also they very quickly shat this out using the standard shill methods, not even a couple days after the announcement. While it could be an attempt to drive interest that's being done on the cheap, or to "SyNeRgIzE" the brand, it could also be a method of damage control. Either to force attention away from Pedro possibly dipping or to see if there's interest in shoving Filoni Fic down the normies' throats.

So is it possible that Wolf-Fucker Filoni chose to fuck over this series by using a disagreement between the main lead and other director to forment a split, just to use the chaos to turn Mandalorian into his own fanfiction?

What you are saying is very plausible to me. Something has always bothered me about Filoni, he has always come across as a "fake" or "poser" and we know his obsession with jamming in his characters into everything comes before integrity of the story.

Everyone needs to watch the "making of" documentary series for the Mandalorian, you really get the sense that Favreau is the one with the vision and Filoni is the one that is manupulating the story.

 

[Safir]

Its likely varying degrees of all of that, but I also think it may be due to the fact that entertainment in general is failing to achieve its primary purpose: failing at being entertaining and offering no escapism from the hardships of real life. Instead content creators want to force as much irl drama, politics and wokeness as possible with all the subtlety of an oncoming train, effectively giving you no reason to engage in media when all you're getting into is the same misery you can find anywhere else.

There's a story I often tell about how I went to my first funeral where I knew the deceased. His mother was crying at the coffin, and she was saying the corniest shit, like what a murderer would say in a z-list crime drama. Yet her grief was very real. (The actual murderer stood nearby and smiled.)

What I'm saying is the purpose of entertainment fiction is not escapism, it's giving people (the audience) the language to express themselves.

Modern fiction is not about us, it's about the creators' own pet causes which have no relevance to us (but which they insist we should care about for literally superficial reasons like a character's skin color), and the rabbit shit of "nostalgia", now commonly understood to be sentimentality for previously consoomed media. It's not about the births, deaths, marriages, divorces, graduations, shifts at 7-11, it's "remember how you felt when you first saw X?".

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

So I had a thought, since @GeneralFriendliness showed me this:

The shills are currently already trying to sell this random Filoni OC for Season 2, and Pedro is more and more likely to be booted out. So here's my tinfoil hypothesis, brought about by the rampant hatred of success everyone at LFL has and the contempt they have for their audience.

Do you think Filoni intentionally worked at Pascal and Favreau to force Pedro into leaving? Because it's clear that the two violently disagreed on one big thing to the point that the former willingly risked destroying his career because of it. Filoni is the type of weasel who already will run to CEOs to go around people and block people who don't like his ideas. He was one of the chief brownnosers who cheered when Luke Skywalker's character was raped by Johnson, whose ideas Kennedy loved and he aped it.

Also they very quickly shat this out using the standard shill methods, not even a couple days after the announcement. While it could be an attempt to drive interest that's being done on the cheap, or to "SyNeRgIzE" the brand, it could also be a method of damage control. Either to force attention away from Pedro possibly dipping or to see if there's interest in shoving Filoni Fic down the normies' throats.

So is it possible that Wolf-Fucker Filoni chose to fuck over this series by using a disagreement between the main lead and other director to forment a split, just to use the chaos to turn Mandalorian into his own fanfiction?

The image didn't appear for me.

 

[Notgoodwithusernames]

What if Filoni pulls a Neil Druckmann

 

[Ihavetinyweewee]

This rumor kinda has some holes in it. Specifically, dealing with contract obligations. There is no way that Disney didn't sign Pascal to an option laden contract. Not for the series title character.

So, I don't see how he can just "walk off." He needed to be flat out fired.

To be fired, given his position, it would have been a communal agreement. It would have had to gone through Faveau, Kennedy, and Iger.

At that point, it would have been pretty obvious to Pascal he would be permanently damaging his career.

Especially if he can simply just do voice over work and collect a paycheck...

There seems to be nuggets of truth to the rumor but probably didn't play out the way suggested. Too many variables...

Even Grace kinda hedges her bets with the rumor

 

[Getting tard comed]

I'm being autistic, but why do people keep saying this hurts his career? Yes, if he's not in the show anymore he was definitely fired. He probably didn't just quit. But getting fired is not the end of the world and its isn't that big of a role. Nobody believes the success of the show was do to him anyway. Being a cog in a successful franchise doesn't help you're career. Look at everyone in GoTs. Hell, look at Star Wars. It is perfectly understandable that he would want his face seen in the show he was "the lead" in. Going over your bosses head is generally a bad idea anyway so I cannot condone that and that's probably what got him fired if the rumor is true.

I don't see this hurting his career nor understand why people think him getting fired off a stream exclusive show will impact him one way or the other. Please explain.

 

[Ihavetinyweewee]

I'm being autistic, but why do people keep saying this hurts his career? Yes, if he's not in the show anymore he was definitely fired. He probably didn't just quit. But getting fired is not the end of the world and its isn't that big of a role. Nobody believes the success of the show was do to him anyway. Being a cog in a successful franchise doesn't help you're career. Look at everyone in GoTs. Hell, look at Star Wars. It is perfectly understandable that he would want his face seen in the show he was "the lead" in. Going over your bosses head is generally a bad idea anyway so I cannot condone that and that's probably what got him fired if the rumor is true.

I don't see this hurting his career nor understand why people think him getting fired off a stream exclusive show will impact him one way or the other. Please explain.

It's not the role itself. It's pissing off Disney by fucking with their production. That can have long term consequences on future roles. Studios can black list you and directors can be weary of you as "difficult."

Remember, he didn't get fired for not fitting the role creatively. That wouldn't usually have long term repercussions. But, in this case, for creating production chaos over drama?

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

There's a story I often tell about how I went to my first funeral where I knew the deceased. His mother was crying at the coffin, and she was saying the corniest shit, like what a murderer would say in a z-list crime drama. Yet her grief was very real. (The actual murderer stood nearby and smiled.)

What I'm saying is the purpose of entertainment fiction is not escapism, it's giving people (the audience) the language to express themselves.

Modern fiction is not about us, it's about the creators' own pet causes which have no relevance to us (but which they insist we should care about for literally superficial reasons like a character's skin color), and the rabbit shit of "nostalgia", now commonly understood to be sentimentality for previously consoomed media. It's not about the births, deaths, marriages, divorces, graduations, shifts at 7-11, it's "remember how you felt when you first saw X?".

It depends. Some fiction really is just for escapism, like power fantasies and older kids' shows. Heck, the Transformers films are still making money hand over fist, and those things don't preach any specific message. They're just popcorn flicks for the sake of escapism. Some fiction is made for escapism, others are made to tell a message. Back then, the latter was far more powerful, especially with works like the Sam Raimi Spider Man films, the Dark Knight trilogy, and yes, even the classic Star Wars films. But now, with most messages in media boiling down to SJW crap, the former is now more powerful, since you can actually entertain people without them switching off because of SJW bullshit.

 

[Creep3r]

The image didn't appear for me.

How about now?

I'm being autistic, but why do people keep saying this hurts his career? Yes, if he's not in the show anymore he was definitely fired. He probably didn't just quit. But getting fired is not the end of the world and its isn't that big of a role. Nobody believes the success of the show was do to him anyway. Being a cog in a successful franchise doesn't help you're career. Look at everyone in GoTs. Hell, look at Star Wars. It is perfectly understandable that he would want his face seen in the show he was "the lead" in. Going over your bosses head is generally a bad idea anyway so I cannot condone that and that's probably what got him fired if the rumor is true.

I don't see this hurting his career nor understand why people think him getting fired off a stream exclusive show will impact him one way or the other. Please explain.

Ninja'd but like tinyweewee said, normally this would be a non-issue, but since this is Disney, those fuckers hold grudges and they will blacklist Pascal and make his professional life a Hell on Earth if they can. Especially if he really did quit over getting pissy and defying them to their faces.

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

What if Filoni pulls a Neil Druckmann

That he hatefucks his own waifu to own the haters?

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

What if Filoni pulls a Neil Druckmann

He already has. Did you fucking watch that absolute trainwreck of a Clone Wars Final Season? He broke more in 12 episodes than Crystal Star did in 400 pages.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

He already has. Did you fucking watch that absolute trainwreck of a Clone Wars Final Season? He broke more in 12 episodes than Crystal Star did in 400 pages.

I can't believe we didn't get the Utapau episodes but we got 4 more episodes of Ahsoka failing to be a smuggler. I was looking forward to John Wick Anakin, instead I got two "STRONG INDEPENDENT WAHMEN" who fail at drug-running with mob dealers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG_kNw-Kwjc

 

[jspit]

Another example of how back before TLJ Disney was desperate to transform SW into a GoT knockoff from hiring the same actors to even the same writers and directors because it was popular. But after GoT shat the bed, I guess that came back to bite them hard. Fucking morons who knew jack shit about SW kept trying to turn it into the next GoT without realizing any of its pre-existing strengths. This is what happens when you hire a bunch of ass kissers who get all of their info from Twitter, Mrs. Kennedy.

If by Filoni Wars, then yes along with fucking over Ryloth, Kaminoan interactions with the Senate, Gardulla's relation to Jabba, Zygerrians depictions and many other things, however that didn't stop the people outside of Filoni Wars from ignoring his shit for the most part since it would undo 30 years of work, with the guides still presenting Ryloth true to its original depiction, mentioning that Mon Cals had different systems of government and still acknowledging stuff from Genndy Wars or taking the least controversial and flawed bits from Filoni Wars and incorporating it in a way that blends better with the setting, like the Lords of Nal Hutta guide did which came out right before Disney dabbed on all their pre-Disney projects. Me, @Adamska and others have described the issues and continuity role of Filoni Wars before.


I've discussed this in tremendous detail before many pages back which should be easy enough to find with a quick search, but like most here have said, they did make the 4 billion back but that's not a profit, especially when they wasted more than double building and repairing Galaxy's Edge which reflected negatively on their financial reports. For it to have been a profit they needed to make double what they paid for and then some and even more than that by this point, a feat which they've failed to accomplish. When forced to acknowledge this, shills will usually try and claim that Disney made more than enough money back with Avengers and other properties to make it profitable. That ain't a fucking profit. Making money from other IPs to keep SW alive is not a profit. They paid billions for SW expecting that sucker to be worth even more in return by itself and add to their profits, not take away from them. Its a disastrous failure all around.

hard to keep track of it all.

 

[Ghostse]

I'm being autistic, but why do people keep saying this hurts his career? Yes, if he's not in the show anymore he was definitely fired. He probably didn't just quit. But getting fired is not the end of the world and its isn't that big of a role. Nobody believes the success of the show was do to him anyway. Being a cog in a successful franchise doesn't help you're career. Look at everyone in GoTs. Hell, look at Star Wars. It is perfectly understandable that he would want his face seen in the show he was "the lead" in. Going over your bosses head is generally a bad idea anyway so I cannot condone that and that's probably what got him fired if the rumor is true.

I don't see this hurting his career nor understand why people think him getting fired off a stream exclusive show will impact him one way or the other. Please explain.

Depends on how its spun. It can hurt his career because (if true about the fight & him leaving) he's now a demanding prima dona - if he's Prima Dona teir, it won't hurt him in any appreciable way. I don't know that he's prima dona tier, so now the next time someone wants him for a starring rule, they have to think "is my principal going to throw a tantrum and flounce?"

If his agent is able to get out in front of it and damage control (my guy just wanted screen time/job assurance), it won't be bad. It also won't be very bad if he has a new project to jump to quickly.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Depends on how its spun. It can hurt his career because (if true about the fight & him leaving) he's now a demanding prima dona - if he's Prima Dona teir, it won't hurt him in any appreciable way. I don't know that he's prima dona tier, so now the next time someone wants him for a starring rule, they have to think "is my principal going to throw a tantrum and flounce?"

If his agent is able to get out in front of it and damage control (my guy just wanted screen time/job assurance), it won't be bad. It also won't be very bad if he has a new project to jump to quickly.

Perhaps he made such bold demands because he had other projects lined up and knew he wouldn't miss this one.