Jerry Peet / Lily Orchard / Lily Peet / Valkyrstudios / Bhaalspawn / Tara Callie / "Mod Ebara" - Sociopath writer of pedophile fanfiction and cartoon reviews, faked getting raped to force a divorce, then mobbed and gaslit their ex off Tumblr, satanist neoliberal of the MovieSlob variety, also wants to fuck dogs and/or pokemon

[Chapter Master Tu'Shan]

Even with all my problems with the Diamonds (and that’s saying a lot), the Space Nazi label always confused me since they were fairly typical intergalactic tyrants that pop up nearly everywhere in science fiction. Darth Vader and Frieza have been peddled to young kids in merchandise for decades and no one has been moralfagging about that.
Then again, SU did attract a crowd different from SW or DBZ...

That's probably because 99.9% of all people know nothing about the Nazis, aside from the fact that they were racist, tyrannical Bad Guys.
So they just call everyone who's vaguely racist or tyrannical a Nazi, regardless of whether they actually endorse any of the tenets of National Socialism.
A logic by which the vast majority of all people who ever lived were Nazis, seeing as how racism, tyranny and the mass murder of undesirables were pretty ubiquitous throughout human history
Which is probably another point: a complete lack of knowledge about history that would show that the Nazis were far from unique in committing genocide, or practicing eugenics, ect.

Honestly, Steven Universe had a lot of problems, but they were never so bad that it completely dragged the show into the dirt (unlike The Shera reboot), and when all is said an done, it was a decent enough show in its own right. Maybe not one of the greatest, but it'll definitely be remembered as "That gay rock show that was stupid sometimes but overall alright".

Out of curiosity, what did the She-Ra reboot do that completely dragged it into the dirt?
I lost track of all the controversies around that show at this point.

 

[Icarus B. Nezzer]

What kind of children show is going to spread the message "sometimes you have to take justice into your own hands and kill someone because you're fairly certain they're not a nice person"?

The closest I can think of are several cartoons where a villain pretends to be redeemed for the sake of their own hidden agenda. I'll bet Lily subscribes to the Cyberchase philosophy of "Once a bad guy, always a bad guy." In scenarios like that, however, the hero can't do a damn thing to stop the villain without looking like a total knob, so they have to investigate and prove the villain is up to no good before they take serious action.

What frustrates some people about the Steven Universe finale isn't the "forgive Nazis" past, but the "blindly trust that Nazis will never be Nazis again" part. Steven letting the Diamonds free allows them to possibly go back to their horrible ways of destroying the universe as long as it's not Steven's problem anymore, which, even in the realm of children's shows, is very much possible.

 

[starborn427614]

The closest I can think of are several cartoons where a villain pretends to be redeemed for the sake of their own hidden agenda. I'll bet Lily subscribes to the Cyberchase philosophy of "Once a bad guy, always a bad guy." In scenarios like that, however, the hero can't do a damn thing to stop the villain without looking like a total knob, so they have to investigate and prove the villain is up to no good before they take serious action.

What frustrates some people about the Steven Universe finale isn't the "forgive Nazis" past, but the "blindly trust that Nazis will never be Nazis again" part. Steven letting the Diamonds free allows them to possibly go back to their horrible ways of destroying the universe as long as it's not Steven's problem anymore, which, even in the realm of children's shows, is very much possible.

I suppose it comes down to whether you believe they're being sincere with their words and actions towards the end of Future. They pretty much (and unprompted by Steven who hadn't visited in what seemed like months) started fixing their major issues and admitted fault to everything. It's a pretty anti-cynical show so I don't blame people who can't really suspend that level of disbelief. Nothing wrong with that, just a personal thing.

Lily, obviously, falls on the cynical side but for more reasons than just "bad guys are always bad". That level of hatred goes way deeper to the people who wrote the cartoon aliens. It's a sickness.

 

[Krystal]

Out of curiosity, what did the She-Ra reboot do that completely dragged it into the dirt? I lost track of all the controversies around that show at this point.

Recently the creator is getting cancelled for a slavery joke regarding one of the character's brothers.

And for the diamonds being space nazis, it doesn't fit right, at least for blue or yellow. Mainly blue being depressed most of the time in context of the show and yellow just burying her sadness with what was best for their perfect empire. White makes a little more sense with the bleach mind control and obsession with flawlessness. Her arch didn't seem to sit too well since we only really saw her heal corrupted gems. I think the "once evil always evil" would have been better for more aquamarine or eyeball since they still tried to kill him in Future.

Edit: genocide, really. The only two things close were the cluster/fusion experiments and corrupting the gems. One was more well; experimental (which, fusion was still taboo). The corruption was only because they thought they eradicated the Crystal Gems after thinking Pink was shattered. If someone wants to make the argument of colonies draining life off planets. What about Pink? She literally defended life and as a compromise was given the zoo. Hell, Blue literally kidnapped Greg to save him from the cluster to help preserve Pink and her memory of her. That makes no sense if they're space nazis and yellow literally crumbles at the end of her song.

 

[starborn427614]

Recently the creator is getting cancelled for a slavery joke regarding one of the character's brothers.

And for the diamonds being space nazis, it doesn't fit right, at least for blue or yellow. Mainly blue being depressed most of the time in context of the show and yellow just burying her sadness with what was best for their perfect empire. White makes a little more sense with the bleach mind control and obsession with flawlessness. Her arch didn't seem to sit too well since we only really saw her heal corrupted gems. I think the "once evil always evil" would have been better for more aquamarine or eyeball since they still tried to kill him in Future.

Edit: genocide, really. The only two things close were the cluster/fusion experiments and corrupting the gems. One was more well; experimental (which, fusion was still taboo). The corruption was only because they thought they eradicated the Crystal Gems after thinking Pink was shattered. If someone wants to make the argument of colonies draining life off planets. What about Pink? She literally defended life and as a compromise was given the zoo. Hell, Blue literally kidnapped Greg to save him from the cluster to help preserve Pink and her memory of her. That makes no sense if they're space nazis and yellow literally crumbles at the end of her song.

Most crits I've seen will just say they saw fans talking about how bad the Diamonds are and "backpaddled" by trying to humanize them. It's stupid and people like that make it harder for me to take most criticism about the show seriously (not that I don't have my own, it's just more related to the pacing than anything).

Anyway there's other threads for this sort of talk, let's try to keep it focused on Lily herself.

 

[Lurk Jurk]

The space tyranny is mostly set dressing. The Diamonds represent a strict, traditionalist family or an oppressive society. Pink was an impulsive free spirit and none of them knew how to deal with that in their regimented system. You can piece together why Pink/Rose was the way she was through what you can pick up on from flashbacks and scenes with them. The other Diamonds are obviously written to be in an implicitly parental role over Pink, much like the three main gems are with Steven. The contrast between the two family dynamics is so obvious Steven literally sings a song about it.

But you know since no character turns to the camera and gives a thesis statement about what's going on it annoys Jerry.

 

[starborn427614]

The space tyranny is mostly set dressing. The Diamonds represent a strict, traditionalist family or an oppressive society. Pink was an impulsive free spirit and none of them knew how to deal with that in their regimented system. You can piece together why Pink/Rose was the way she was through what you can pick up on from flashbacks and scenes with them. The other Diamonds are obviously written to be in an implicitly parental role over Pink, much like the three main gems are with Steven. The contrast between the two family dynamics is so obvious Steven literally sings a song about it.

But you know since no character turns to the camera and gives a thesis statement about what's going on it annoys Jerry.

That's a lot of what it is with her: If a character isn't saying how the viewer should feel, is the show actually doing its job?

 

[Krystal]

 

[Private Pyle]

Recently the creator is getting cancelled for a slavery joke regarding one of the character's brothers.

Late reply but some clarity on the controversy; the creator never actually made a slavery joke. She just made a corny pun on how bow and sow rhyme, completing it with a drawing of a farmer.

For reasons I still can’t fathom, nutjobs on social media say the black farmer and immediately their minds wandered into slavery. A shit storm blew up over literally nothing which ended with the creator giving the most pathetic example of white guilt I’ve ever seen.

The context of it all just makes it more bizarre and hilarious.

 

[starborn427614]

Late reply but some clarity on the controversy; the creator never actually made a slavery joke. She just made a corny pun on how bow and sow rhyme, completing it with a drawing of a farmer.

For reasons I still can’t fathom, nutjobs on social media say the black farmer and immediately their minds wandered into slavery. A shit storm blew up over literally nothing which ended with the creator giving the most pathetic example of white guilt I’ve ever seen.

The context of it all just makes it more bizarre and hilarious.

Doesn't help that Noelle's purely white team was by far the worst image you could've presented when apologizing for that shit.

 

[Armored Hero Fanfic]

putting everyone back on topic.
Grab bag time.

a preview from an upcoming video

Lily Orchard's Official Tumblr

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Lily sounds like she'd holding a pabst blue ribbon and wearing a hipster hat

Lily Orchard's Official Tumblr, I hate hate HATE when people use the …

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I didn't get a chance to comment on the last time Lily called it "Self Deprecating"

This is the definition of self deprecation
Problem with Lily calling reclamation of negatgive imagery associated with Queer people "Self Deprecation" is that Lily wants her audience to treat anyone who calls themself Queer as though their holding back progress of lgbt people and spaces, she believes that people choosing to self label as Queer are actively hurting themselves and other lgbt people.
Self Deprecation is Joan Rivers saying she's mostly made of plastic. Self Deprecation is Yahtzee Croshaw saying "I played this video game so long I actually forgot the sun existed"
What lily wants you to think is calling yourself Queer is tantamount to cutting yourself

Lily Orchard's Official Tumblr, Uuuh what the fuck is going on with t…

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This one is too big to screenshot. basically some kidshow creator made a post of two characters interacting andf blushing, and now the internet is loosing it's shit because one of the characters was a teenager. So there's that.
Lily also linked this article in a post on tumblr https://archive.li/Ty5E8
it's all just more "it's more than fiction" discourse

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[Lurk Jurk]

Plenty of gay people don’t like being called queer. The point of chants like”we’re here we’re queer” was to throw slurs back in peoples’ faces. Pretty easy for the next generation to forget that “no tears for queers” was a popular conservative slogan during the AIDS epidemic

moral of the story: it’s complicated and just fucking don’t call a gay or bi person queer without permission.

Is this dude for real? Jerry you write a Pokemon comic where the only stakes are whose fucking, and whose not allowed to fuck, and who did a mind rape of a teenager etc.

oh but it’s not adult themes cause no sex is actually shown I guess. In Jerry’s weird puritanical pervert autist logic.

 

[starborn427614]

Plenty of gay people don’t like being called queer. The point of chants like”we’re here we’re queer” was to throw slurs back in peoples’ faces. Pretty easy for the next generation to forget that “no tears for queers” was a popular conservative slogan during the AIDS epidemic

moral of the story: it’s complicated and just fucking don’t call a gay or bi person queer without permission.

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Is this dude for real? Jerry you write a Pokemon comic where the only stakes are whose fucking, and whose not allowed to fuck, and who did a mind rape of a teenager etc.

oh but it’s not adult themes cause no sex is actually shown I guess. In Jerry’s weird puritanical pervert autist logic.

That's the most hypocritical thing they've said in a while.

 

[ShiftyBoi]

Plenty of gay people don’t like being called queer. The point of chants like”we’re here we’re queer” was to throw slurs back in peoples’ faces. Pretty easy for the next generation to forget that “no tears for queers” was a popular conservative slogan during the AIDS epidemic

moral of the story: it’s complicated and just fucking don’t call a gay or bi person queer without permission.

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Is this dude for real? Jerry you write a Pokemon comic where the only stakes are whose fucking, and whose not allowed to fuck, and who did a mind rape of a teenager etc.

oh but it’s not adult themes cause no sex is actually shown I guess. In Jerry’s weird puritanical pervert autist logic.

This fuck is lucky that only children watch her. I can't imagine actual legal adults listening to this and taking her seriously.

But also, you know maybe sometimes a cartoon can be enjoyed by multiple age groups for multiple reasons. There's no reason to dumb a story you care about down because it's for kids. If anything kids are more likely to appreciate the work you put in the older they get. This is why Avatar is still enjoyed to this day.

Oh but fuck artists I guess.

 

[Chapter Master Tu'Shan]

This fuck is lucky that only children watch her. I can't imagine actual legal adults listening to this and taking her seriously.

But also, you know maybe sometimes a cartoon can be enjoyed by multiple age groups for multiple reasons. There's no reason to dumb a story you care about down because it's for kids. If anything kids are more likely to appreciate the work you put in the older they get. This is why Avatar is still enjoyed to this day.

Oh but fuck artists I guess.

The funny thing is, I distinctly remember that years ago in a video Lily actually used Avatar as an example for how children are a lot smarter than most adults give them credit for and very much capable of appreciated mature and complex storytelling.
Guess she forgot what she used to preach herself.

 

[starborn427614]

The funny thing is, I distinctly remember that years ago in a video Lily actually used Avatar as an example for how children are a lot smarter than most adults give them credit for and very much capable of appreciated mature and complex storytelling.
Guess she forgot what she used to preach herself.

Not forgot, it's just not convenient for her anymore.

 

[Icarus B. Nezzer]

The funny thing is, I distinctly remember that years ago in a video Lily actually used Avatar as an example for how children are a lot smarter than most adults give them credit for and very much capable of appreciated mature and complex storytelling.
Guess she forgot what she used to preach herself.

"morose and miserable worldview"
"hyper-edgy villains"
"insatiable horniness"

Would Lily ever describe Avatar TLA as anything like that? Maybe Korra, but not TLA. I'm sure Lily's still all about "mature" storytelling. She just doesn't consider an obsessive focus on dark shit "mature."

 

[Chapter Master Tu'Shan]

"morose and miserable worldview"
"hyper-edgy villains"
"insatiable horniness"

Would Lily ever describe Avatar TLA as anything like that? Maybe Korra, but not TLA. I'm sure Lily's still all about "mature" storytelling. She just doesn't consider an obsessive focus on dark shit "mature."

And that might be reasonable to assume under normal circumstances, but Lily has displayed such a twisted and self-contradicting view on things at this point, that those points could refer to just about anything.

This is the person who wants clever storytelling, but hates any story that doesn't spell things out for her as blatantly as possible.
Who wants good representation for LGBT people, but a literal gay wedding episode wasn't good enough because the word "wife" wasn't used.

What you consider to be "miserable worldviews" or "hyper-edgy villains" is unlikely to be the same she thinks it to be.

Also, just as a personal opinion, but I think Avatar had way more dark shit than Korra.
Genocide, traumatized child soldiers, a deranged serial killer, a megalomaniacal villain literally trying to set the world on fire, ect.

 

[starborn427614]

And that might be reasonable to assume under normal circumstances, but Lily has displayed such a twisted and self-contradicting view on things at this point, that those points could refer to just about anything.

This is the person who wants clever storytelling, but hates any story that doesn't spell things out for her as blatantly as possible.
Who wants good representation for LGBT people, but a literal gay wedding episode wasn't good enough because the word "wife" wasn't used.

What you consider to be "miserable worldviews" or "hyper-edgy villains" is unlikely to be the same she thinks it to be.

Also, just as a personal opinion, but I think Avatar had way more dark shit than Korra.
Genocide, traumatized child soldiers, a deranged serial killer, a megalomaniacal villain literally trying to set the world on fire, ect.

Not to mention that Avatar's villain was straight up comedically evil and wasn't killed. Hmm. I feel like there's a touch of double standards here but I can't quite put my finger on it.

 

[Typical Anime Trap]

putting everyone back on topic.
Grab bag time.

a preview from an upcoming video

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Lily sounds like she'd holding a pabst blue ribbon and wearing a hipster hat

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I didn't get a chance to comment on the last time Lily called it "Self Deprecating"
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This is the definition of self deprecation
Problem with Lily calling reclamation of negatgive imagery associated with Queer people "Self Deprecation" is that Lily wants her audience to treat anyone who calls themself Queer as though their holding back progress of lgbt people and spaces, she believes that people choosing to self label as Queer are actively hurting themselves and other lgbt people.
Self Deprecation is Joan Rivers saying she's mostly made of plastic. Self Deprecation is Yahtzee Croshaw saying "I played this video game so long I actually forgot the sun existed"
What lily wants you to think is calling yourself Queer is tantamount to cutting yourself

https://archive.md/FhlyW

This one is too big to screenshot. basically some kidshow creator made a post of two characters interacting andf blushing, and now the internet is loosing it's shit because one of the characters was a teenager. So there's that.
Lily also linked this article in a post on tumblr https://archive.md/Ty5E8
it's all just more "it's more than fiction" discourse

https://archive.md/YkQiL

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As someone who legitimately does work in the industry what the actual fuck is she talking about. People cant just make shows, especially not animated adult shows. Are there 18+ animated shows? yes. are they easy to produce? absolutely not. There's a reason that everyone and their mother was talking about the hazbin pilot and its because making a show like that is incredibly hard to get picked up, approved, and produced. As a result most people calm down the 'adult' jokes and swearing and make it marketable for children since that's the easiest way to get a show greenlit. Shows like gravity falls, steven universe, and ATLA all had mature themes and reasonably can be marketed for adults but if avatar had a bunch of shitty 'adult jokes' or if gravity falls had needless bloodshed then it definitely wouldn't have been picked up to be aired even if they were marketed for 18+ audiences.