Community Tard Baby General (includes brain dead kids) - Fundies and their genetic Fuckups; Parents of corpses in denial

[John Merston]

I’ve heard that as autism diagnoses have gone up, intellectual disability diagnoses have gone down. It’s where the money is.

There are several signs that distinguish autism from ordinary mental disability (resistance to change, repetitive stimming motions, aversion to eye contact, etc).

 

[booklover]

Also: when the DS adults are doing their supervised job, they are usually not doing a good job either. I know someone who spent a few decades at a job that employed exceptional individuals. The places that hire them get money from charity or government programs to pay the employer and the worker for their job. After the exceptional person leaves their shift, the supervisor usually has to do the job over again. There was a lot of outrage about tards being paid below minimum wage awhile back, people had no idea that they would never have jobs at all under normal circumstances.

Are you talking about people being hired to do things like janitorial work? Some of them can do it, and some can't. There was a grocery store in my old town that had a mentally disabled woman bagging groceries, and she was NOT mentally capable of doing even that (and she did not have DS; she looked normal, but you could tell immediately upon speaking to her that she wasn't). So, whenever I shopped there, I just didn't go through her lane.

The late opera singer Beverly Sills had two children who were both born deaf, and her son was also severely autistic. At the time she wrote her autobiography, in the late 1980s, he was a young adult and lived in a group home and was also employed in a sheltered workshop. His job was packaging foot pads for the Dr. Scholls corporation; there were some products whose packaging they had not figured out how to automate, and he was paid 5 cents for every completed package. She said he was not being exploited, because he was earning a wage for performing a needed service, and this job enabled him to have his own money without losing his government benefits, which is behind the whole sub-minimum wage thing.

 

[howmanypizzas69]

There are several signs that distinguish autism from ordinary mental disability (resistance to change, repetitive stimming motions, aversion to eye contact, etc).

and there’s also no way to detect autism in utero

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

The word "doula" is Greek, and it's a birth assistant, present to keep her and her family comfortable during labor and the post-partum period, and may also perform household chores. FTR, both of the births I knew of at my old hospital where a doula was present ended in a c-section. They are not allowed to perform any medical duties; that's the territory of the midwife, and a CNM is going to be a nurse with a master's degree in midwifery. S/he (yes, there are male midwives) usually works in a hospital or an attached birthing center, although they do occasionally do home births.

Mirna, about the man who masturbated 5 times a day: We're having a discussion on another site about the ICE facility where a doctor has been accused of performing unnecessary hysterectomies, and I mentioned chemical castration, which I have seen orders for for people like this man, or more commonly men who have had traumatic brain injuries or early-onset dementia, who cannot appropriately channel their sex drive and use it to put other people or themselves in danger. This man sounded like he might have been a candidate.

What, you may ask, was used? Depo-Provera, a 400mg injection once a month. The birth control dose is 150mg every 3 months.

ETA: Are you sure that 6-foot man has DS? I've never seen a tall person with DS. They're always much shorter than average.

Chronic and inappropriate masturbation was an issue with lots of the adult males. Females had issues acting out sexually too. They were given drugs, mostly anti-psychotics to help reign in the behavior but it had wide ranging effects and didn’t usually decrease the public masturbation habits of our more dedicated men.

As far as I recall (this was years ago) there were ethical issues with giving drugs specifically to reduce sex drive. You could give drugs and hope that was a side effect, but there was no way you could legally chemically castrate a male unless he had committed a sex crime and even then it took a lot of BS to get approved. There was a convicted pedo in one of our homes but even he didn’t get that treatment. Even specifically prescribing just to reduce sex drive was not permitted, they might try to instead say it was for general “aggressive behavior”

Even putting women on BC was a nightmare of paperwork and permissions. While these women were not capable of caring for themselves, or even consenting to sex really, any whiff of birth control got too close to the line of eugenics. With the permission of the parents we could put the women on BC, but this usually was an issue because that implied sex could be occurring in the first place, not something parents/guardians wanted to hear about. (If the state was the guardian then it was more difficult due to the eugenics, state controlling reproductive issues quagmire.) Where we controlled daily meds we could sometimes say BC pills were to help alleviate menstural cramps and get them that way without too much fuss.

Why? Because forced BC or sterilization of retarded or impaired people is the real deal eugenics bogeyman. (Unlike selective abortions decided by normal IQ parents, which is not eugenics. eugenics is all about taking away the ability of those deemed “undesirables” by the state to reproduce) The original USA eugenics programs weren’t racially motivated, but were about sterilizing the low IQ, the mentally ill and those with congenital defects.

The 6’0 guy was not a DS guy, just a very large retarded guy. The program was probably 50% DS patients. At least with the DS men we didn’t have to fret as much if they were in contact with women clients because DS men are usually sterile. Unfortunately DS women are not.

Remember Sarah, the fundie with the inside out baby she demanded a C-section for who then almost died of uterine rupture? She's trying to insist the idea that pregnancy can be dangerous is just a myth those dang dirty pro-choicers are pushing so they can abort fetuses whenever they want.
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Sometimes I wonder if deep down the reason people like her think all women should be forced to have FUBAR inside out babies and shit is because they think everyone should have to suffer like they did.

I guess the millions of women who died in childbirth before Roe v Wade were all just part of a propaganda campaign started at the dawn of humanity to make people think birth was dangerous just by dying during it.

For thousands of years cognitively impaired people were brutally weeded out of the population via congenital defects, neglect, accidents, starvation, murder, etc.. The ones that survived were “Lenny” like individuals, while they may not have been very smart they managed to stay alive and had physical strength or developed a useful skill that enabled them to survive and earn their keep in some way. (But we know how things ended for Lenny all the same.)

Thanks to medical and social advances lots of severely cognitively disabled people are now surviving in large numbers to adulthood but humanity hasn’t yet figured out how to integrate them into wider society because they can’t care for themselves and many are a danger to themselves and others. Medical science figures out how to save lives in the short term, but not what to do with them after they survive in the long term. Right now the ideal seems to be letting them live in group homes where an army of people of normal intelligence supervise them 24/7, take them on outings, make their meals, keep them clean, etc... but that isn’t a sustainable model if the numbers keep increasing.

 

[bigfart420666]

Honestly I've never seen any of this done to the severely retarded children I worked with. We had one 20 year old that just would sit in back of class and do her business while screaming for snacks. If she got a snack she stopped, it was obviously a learned behavior.

omg i hate her.....

imagine if the hartley hooligans were able to be hyper sexual potatoes, no doubt gwen would write 32 blog posts complete w pics detailing it.

 

[Android raptor]

I assume the full blown potatos lack the parts of the brain neccessary for a sex drive. Shit, did the Hartleys even go through puberty? Didn't seem like they did, and I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't have pituitary glands and other shit needed for puberty.

Same with Kayli and Mathew, they get bigger but I kinda doubt they have the parts of the brain neccessary for sexual development and shit.

 

[booklover]

and there’s also no way to detect autism in utero

Sometimes there is, if it accompanies another genetic disorder for which autism is a symptom, like IDIC-15 or any number of other disorders.

DS men are usually sterile. Unfortunately DS women are not.

Did you encounter any DS women who got pregnant? I saw a TV show a few years ago about a couple with DS who got married (both high functioning, obviously) and they were both sterilized, just to be safe, and also to protect her in the God-forbid event that she would be raped.

There's an episode of "Call The Midwife" where a DS woman is having a fling with the caretaker, who has cerebral palsy, and gets pregnant but the baby is stillborn.

I'll post a link if I find one; a local TV station did a piece this evening for a young woman in our area who at birth was not expected to see her first birthday, and now she's turning 20. What's wrong with her, you may ask? She has severe microcephaly, with a normal cerebellum but most of her cerebrum isn't there and she has hydrocephalus. She is wheelchair-bound and doesn't appear to speak. Anyway, her parents said she really likes to attend auto races at a local racetrack (something they introduced her to themselves because that's one of their interests) and because of COVID, they aren't having races, so some of the racecar drivers came to her neighborhood and honked their horns and revved their engines for her. She did seem to be having a good time.

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

We say we don’t want the state to sterilize the disabled, but we also say we want the state to take away children from those unable to care for them. And we can talk about CPS overreach but I’m sure most people agree there is a point the state should step in. So the cognitively challenged can have children, but they can’t keep them. Sometimes you hear about women who have lots and lots (6+) children who get taken away every time she has one, and I wonder how many of them have a disability of some kind.

 

[Android raptor]

I'd imagine constantly popping out kids increases the chance of having one with a disability. I know the last couple kids Michelle Duggar popped out had issues (along with a miscarriage they apparently made their other kids look at), and I swear I've heard about other Quiverfull types ending up with disabled kids.

If someone with intellectual disabilities has a kid and can care for it (maybe with some help from a social worker) then yeah, no reason to take the kid away. That would be people on the more mild end of things though.

I know the rates of sexual abuse of both men and women with intellectual disabilities are horrifically high, and I'd imagine the more severe the disability the higher the risk since they'd be less able to effectively communicate and whatnot. The caretaking industry definitely needs to be overhauled so people are paid more and predators are more effectively weeded out.

 

[Sperghetti]

I’ve heard that as autism diagnoses have gone up, intellectual disability diagnoses have gone down. It’s where the money is.

Well, I guess that confirms my suspicion that many the kids who would have been classified as just some variation of "mentally retarded" or "developmentally disabled" 30 years ago are now getting labeled as autistic.

I admit, I'm not really up-to-date on my knowledge of the mental/behavioral health field, but is it even possible for the powers that be to restrict diagnostic criteria again once they've expanded it? Like now that they've expanded the criteria for an autism diagnosis to the point where it's nearly a catchall, would it even be possible to restrict it again? (I seem to recall reading somewhere that Ehlers-Danos syndrome had a similar issue with their diagnostic criteria.)

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

I'd imagine constantly popping out kids increases the chance of having one with a disability. I know the last couple kids Michelle Duggar popped out had issues (along with a miscarriage they apparently made their other kids look at), and I swear I've heard about other Quiverfull types ending up with disabled kids.

If someone with intellectual disabilities has a kid and can care for it (maybe with some help from a social worker) then yeah, no reason to take the kid away. That would be people on the more mild end of things though.

I know the rates of sexual abuse of both men and women with intellectual disabilities are horrifically high, and I'd imagine the more severe the disability the higher the risk since they'd be less able to effectively communicate and whatnot. The caretaking industry definitely needs to be overhauled so people are paid more and predators are more effectively weeded out.

Josie Duggar was born premature and is definitely a little delayed (you can tell if you watch the show) but she’s not a tater. Having a truly severely disabled child is rare, so most pro life people won’t.

 

[Android raptor]

A lot of autistic adults who weren't previously diagnosed are also getting diagnosed now, especially autistic women. I think a lot of the diagnosis increase with autism is from autistic girls and women who were previously overlooked (autistic girls tend to present symptoms differently and mask better). It's not so much that there's an increase in autism itself like woo antivaxers claim, just an increase in diagnosis especially since previously half the population was being overlooked.

 

[A Detachable Penis]

Sometimes there is, if it accompanies another genetic disorder for which autism is a symptom, like IDIC-15 or any number of other disorders.

A recent review suggested that we know the genetic conditions causing autism in 50-80% of cases. This probably only includes somewhat severe cases, and definitely didn't cover all known genetic causes. I think if someone really did a full on large population study we'd get toward the high end of that.

More kids are being labelled with autism cause nowadays they actually try to do shit with problem kids or those struggling in school. Someone I know born in the 70s has never been diagnosed with FAS and dropped out of high school. Even 30 years ago kids were just labelled 'difficult' if they couldnt somehow weasel them into an ADHD diagnosis (of which plenty didnt even fit the criteria anyway).

Autism is just a set of symptoms. As the set gets bigger, more fall under it. Labels aren't terribly useful anyway (until you get toward low IQ ranges, cause the behavior and functioning skills tend to fit the range).

 

[White bubblegum]

Did you encounter any DS women who got pregnant? I saw a TV show a few years ago about a couple with DS who got married (both high functioning, obviously) and they were both sterilized, just to be safe, and also to protect her in the God-forbid event that she would be raped.

There's an episode of "Call The Midwife" where a DS woman is having a fling with the caretaker, who has cerebral palsy, and gets pregnant but the baby is stillborn.

There's a SVU episode about a DS chick who gets pregnant. Can't remember if it was rape or her boyfriend but yeh. Apparently women with down syndrome can become pregnant. http://ds-health.com/issues.htm

 

[booklover]

We say we don’t want the state to sterilize the disabled, but we also say we want the state to take away children from those unable to care for them. And we can talk about CPS overreach but I’m sure most people agree there is a point the state should step in. So the cognitively challenged can have children, but they can’t keep them. Sometimes you hear about women who have lots and lots (6+) children who get taken away every time she has one, and I wonder how many of them have a disability of some kind.

Judge Judy has said many times that for her, the most heartbreaking cases were mentally disabled parents. She put it this way: "Some of them don't know how the process works, but they have children anyway."

 

[AnOminous]

The caretaking industry definitely needs to be overhauled so people are paid more and predators are more effectively weeded out.

How are they going to do that? There are too many tards and too few foster parents already, never mind not enough money to go around. The more selective you are about who gets to do it, the higher the ratio of tards to parents. So you have a choice between giant orphanages (where abuse will be even worse) or at least an opportunity at getting a non-shit foster parent.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

I'd imagine constantly popping out kids increases the chance of having one with a disability. I know the last couple kids Michelle Duggar popped out had issues (along with a miscarriage they apparently made their other kids look at), and I swear I've heard about other Quiverfull types ending up with disabled kids.

If someone with intellectual disabilities has a kid and can care for it (maybe with some help from a social worker) then yeah, no reason to take the kid away. That would be people on the more mild end of things though.

I know the rates of sexual abuse of both men and women with intellectual disabilities are horrifically high, and I'd imagine the more severe the disability the higher the risk since they'd be less able to effectively communicate and whatnot. The caretaking industry definitely needs to be overhauled so people are paid more and predators are more effectively weeded out.

I was recruited to work at a facility from my college department. College kids who were studying nursing, psychology, social work, OT/PT etc...were prized hires but only lasted if they quickly got into supervisory positions.
They desperately tried to hire fresh faced, honest college kids because otherwise the employee pool was the same one as MacDonalds or Wal-Mart. The only difference was they wouldn’t hire felons or anyone with criminal backgrounds besides misdemeanors. Single mothers and grandmothers actually seemed to be some of their best employees long term.

All that said who are you going to hire to basically be adult babysitters? It’s not easy work and for quite a few you have to deal with toileting issues and cleaning, then the whole getting punched and kicked occasionally. Certain patients are extremely difficult to deal with. The whole group home set up is ok for those functioning at a certain level but many patients needed a full time care facility, not a group home. But the cost of putting a disabled adult in a licensed, full time facility is way more expensive than these group home operations.

Well, I guess that confirms my suspicion that many the kids who would have been classified as just some variation of "mentally retarded" or "developmentally disabled" 30 years ago are now getting labeled as autistic.

I admit, I'm not really up-to-date on my knowledge of the mental/behavioral health field, but is it even possible for the powers that be to restrict diagnostic criteria again once they've expanded it? Like now that they've expanded the criteria for an autism diagnosis to the point where it's nearly a catchall, would it even be possible to restrict it again? (I seem to recall reading somewhere that Ehlers-Danos syndrome had a similar issue with their diagnostic criteria.)

The running joke at the place I worked in college was rich people had “autistic kids” and poor people had retards. This was the only real difference between 90% of the autistic and retarded kids. But “autism services” got more funding and program monies than your typical DD “retard” waiver program so if you had parents of means then they made sure their kid got labeled with autism instead of MR. It wasn’t difficult. Most therapists and social workers knew the kid got better services depending on the label applied so they would help parents get that label needed to access the better services that the autism label got.

 

[sperginity]

I assume the full blown potatos lack the parts of the brain neccessary for a sex drive. Shit, did the Hartleys even go through puberty? Didn't seem like they did, and I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't have pituitary glands and other shit needed for puberty.

Same with Kayli and Mathew, they get bigger but I kinda doubt they have the parts of the brain neccessary for sexual development and shit.

It is hard to detect a libido unless a person can control their limbs. In those cases where a retarded person is constantly masturbating it isn't really clear if they are actually having any kind of libido or drive, or if they are just enjoying the physical sensation of it. It really is a form of pleasure that is on the level of people who can't understand much else outside of sensory input. Obesity is a huge issue with them too because a lot of them seem to prefer eating junk food to just about anything else. The friend I talked about earlier had to set up entertainment events for herds of tards and said that they never seemed to give a shit what kind of show or event was planned, they zeroed in on the food and ate insane quantities if allowed. They could only really be pleased on a very basic physical level.

I'd imagine constantly popping out kids increases the chance of having one with a disability. I know the last couple kids Michelle Duggar popped out had issues (along with a miscarriage they apparently made their other kids look at), and I swear I've heard about other Quiverfull types ending up with disabled kids.

She aged into having abnormal pregnancies. For the most part, having multiple pregnancies has the worst health effects on the mother. After a certain point lifespan is reduced by a large number of pregnancies, it isn't clear why (it isn't hugely significant, just a statistical finding that has been replicated). Chances of pelvic organ prolapse and incontinence increase with each pregnancy, especially if you have given birth vaginally. That doesn't mean michelle duggar definitely pisses herself when she sneezes, but I would bet good money that after menopause she is going to have some serious fucking problems.

You can end up with a neural tube defect if you don't supplement certain vitamins during and between pregnancies. I would bet she is more or less permanently taking prenatal vitamins and is probably fine. Neural tube defects range in severity from definitely fatal (like the anencephalic babies in this thread) to disabling (like spina bifida can be).

 

[cuddle striker]

It is hard to detect a libido unless a person can control their limbs. In those cases where a retarded person is constantly masturbating it isn't really clear if they are actually having any kind of libido or drive, or if they are just enjoying the physical sensation of it. It really is a form of pleasure that is on the level of people who can't understand much else outside of sensory input. Obesity is a huge issue with them too because a lot of them seem to prefer eating junk food to just about anything else. The friend I talked about earlier had to set up entertainment events for herds of tards and said that they never seemed to give a shit what kind of show or event was planned, they zeroed in on the food and ate insane quantities if allowed. They could only really be pleased on a very basic physical level.



She aged into having abnormal pregnancies. For the most part, having multiple pregnancies has the worst health effects on the mother. After a certain point lifespan is reduced by a large number of pregnancies, it isn't clear why (it isn't hugely significant, just a statistical finding that has been replicated). Chances of pelvic organ prolapse and incontinence increase with each pregnancy, especially if you have given birth vaginally. That doesn't mean michelle duggar definitely pisses herself when she sneezes, but I would bet good money that after menopause she is going to have some serious fucking problems.

You can end up with a neural tube defect if you don't supplement certain vitamins during and between pregnancies. I would bet she is more or less permanently taking prenatal vitamins and is probably fine. Neural tube defects range in severity from definitely fatal (like the anencephalic babies in this thread) to disabling (like spina bifida can be).

The lower life span is because death in childbirth is still a big thing, all the women that die lower the average for the ones that just get a prolapse.

 

[booklover]

We say we don’t want the state to sterilize the disabled, but we also say we want the state to take away children from those unable to care for them. And we can talk about CPS overreach but I’m sure most people agree there is a point the state should step in. So the cognitively challenged can have children, but they can’t keep them. Sometimes you hear about women who have lots and lots (6+) children who get taken away every time she has one, and I wonder how many of them have a disability of some kind.

Is anyone here familiar with the A&E series "Beyond Scared Straight"? IDK if it still airs, but I couldn't watch it because all I could think was that mandatory sterilization of those kids, and their families, probably wasn't a bad idea.

Obesity is a huge issue with them too because a lot of them seem to prefer eating junk food to just about anything else. The friend I talked about earlier had to set up entertainment events for herds of tards and said that they never seemed to give a shit what kind of show or event was planned, they zeroed in on the food and ate insane quantities if allowed. They could only really be pleased on a very basic physical level.

I'm guessing that obesity is also an issue because in addition to some of these conditions causing aberrations of appetite (like Prader-Willi syndrome) they don't care how they look, the way us "normal" people do, KWIM?

As for them and food, that sounds like many high school and college students, and alcohol, if you think about it. While we're on THAT topic, my mom and sister used to go to minor-league baseball games that took place in our hometown (nobody else in the family was interested) and vanloads of mentally disabled people would attend, probably also from group homes, and she said, "They sure do love beer!" My old co-worker's severely disabled son that I have mentioned several times in this thread also could tell the difference between beer and soda, and preferred beer, and since he has a seizure disorder, they have to be very careful leaving open cans around when they take him camping or hunting. You read that right - he goes hunting with his dad and other male relatives. He can't actively participate, but he enjoys being out in nature with people who love him.