Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died at 87. - 🦀

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Atomic Wangler said:
I can see and understand your argument, but I don't necessarily agree that the ineptitude of the attempt eliminates the possibility a deliberate assassination attempt.

If I've learned anything from watching the past several months of rioting, it's that the far left has no idea how shit actually works in the real world. I've seen them make "phalanxes" in the streets of Seattle that get battered aside instantly, because ANTIFA has no idea how a real phalanx works. Rioters trying to burn down the Portland Courthouse bring leaf blowers to blow tear gas back at the cops, but the shitty glorified hair drier they got can barely blow leaves around, let alone tear gas. I've lost count of how many times idiots burned their hands trying to throw back tear gas canisters, because they didn't know they would be hot, or how many rioters have blocked roads and interstates only to be surprised when they get hit by cars.

Maybe violent political action and insanity go hand in hand, but just because the attempt was inept doesn't rule out political motivation. Look at that guy who got shot thinking he could one man army an ICE facility for a text book example of what I'm talking about.
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To be fair to the antifags, there's no reason to learn how a real phalanx works unless you're a history buff. Battle tactics have advanced since then, and even in street brawls the phalanx isn't much good if the cops bring out the gas or rubber bullets.
Just a boy said:
I think there are two factors that make it difficult for people to maintain their relationships when it comes to stark political differences.
One, the person who instigates the schism (usually leftists this past decade) have a tendency to simply be unable to not bring it up no matter how casual the topic of conversation is. You can tell them that you disagree, that it's not worth ruining your relationship over, and that all it just depresses you, but even if they fully agree with you, they've become so involved in their ideology that the only way for them to take your advice to heart is walking on eggshells constantly. Basically, either you cut each other off, or you maintain an empty shell of what used to be your relationship. I think @GrimProphet made a post in this thread earlier (might have been another thread) about cult behaviour, I think that's the best way to sum it up- there's a frightening amount of people that choose ideology over people they knew for decades.

Two, most people just aren't good at debating, or navigating complicated situations like that. I can't speak for everyone, but I have a strong feeling that 5-10 years ago, most of us here would not ever think that we'd have to seriously debate politics or else we'd lose people we trust. It's hard to strike a good balance of logic and emotion especially when arguing with leftists, and more likely than not you'll end up having to defend your reputation because they'll start questioning why you disagree. It sounds really cucked I know, but already you have to be very careful what you say before you're branded a bigot, so you have to hold back how you really feel, because otherwise you'll be dropped by that person. I guess overall my point is, when someone in your life changes to such a drastic degree, what can you do about it? You can't convince them unless you're an amazing debater, you have to hide a lot of your views (even ones that don't seem that controversial), and at best you talk to them like they're an acquaintance since they're just not who you thought they were. Your best hope is that they can separate politics from other topics, but with how increasingly politicised a lot of things have become, that's unlikely.
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It might be an increase in "the personal is political". There's a growing understanding that political views aren't disagreements over facts or even values, but reflections of personality, and that's filtering into the mainstream. But some, rather than accepting that different personalities exist for a reason and ought to be represented, exaggerate these differences until they think half the country is literally evil, and that it's time to awaken the good half to rectify this.
 
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Unexpected Genitals said:
Ha ha. So if it's hip and okay to celebrate a death if you don't like the person/people, I can be happy when the Big Bad Orange Man kicks the bucket, right?
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Do you think there won't be a massive left wing absolute rager of a party when he does? There's practically gonna be keg-stands on the National Mall.
The Last Stand said:
I think what the Republicans could offer that the Democrats can't is a tough but fair stance on law and order. Many Democrat ran cities have allowed riots to happen in their cities for weeks with little resistance. They're losing money, goodwill and residents from that move.

I don't think anybody would be against maintaining order, especially since how far they let things go.

I would wish they would have a better handle on Coronavirus, although doing strict, unrealistic restrictions isn't helping matters either.
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I like this, you like this, and the Hispanics like this. It isn't gonna sway most Blacks. The GOP won't get over 12% with that demo no matter what, and that would be an astounding number.
Shield Breaker said:
Left-leaning economics and conservative socially is a blue dog.
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Shield Breaker said:
My dad's family were immigrants, and they were pretty much run of the mill blue dogs for the most part.
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The real problem are their kids tend to be wealthier than average, socialist, and gay. That and their socialism overrides their social conservatism. It's just too much to expect of most people not to use any advantage they're handed.
 
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Unexpected Genitals said:
I agree with that, I'm left leaning and watching people throw fits has been hilarious. I just took your joke as being the usual "it's hip and cool to shit on people who say 'hey man, have some empathy'."
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Because it's a tired take. This is a webzone for shitposting about it and political sperging. I don't go around telling adults to brush their teeth 2ce a day either.
Unexpected Genitals said:
So, you let those kids be born into families that don't want them, then what? The adoption system is clogged up enough as it is.
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Fresh babies adopt out right away. People practically fight for them. Older kids are the ones left behind.
edit: also lol because being born as a surprise or being in a orphanage or whatever is so much worse than just dying right?
 
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HumanHive said:
No, they’re usually socialist with “socially conservative” (read: ‘ate gays, ‘ate trannies, luv me underage, simple as) views. Hindus, Arabs, and Mexicans are in no way libertarian, if anything they’re the exact opposite.

The Yakov Smirnov republican was a product of the collapse of the USSR. In the present, it’s a myth at best.
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India has moved right massively since the 1990s economic reforms but most would still vote D at the moment. Mexico literally has a socialist president, and there's very little legal Arab immigration to the USA anyway because of restrictions. Immigration generally brings in left wing voters, with the major exception of Cubans for political reasons.

Very few people in the world are libertarians. Even in the USA most conservatives want a strong state, just one that's not communist, and that's even more true everywhere else. "Law and order" is a huge part of rhetoric on the right both in the USA and internationally.
 
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Unexpected Genitals said:
Do you think the Republicans will be pearl-clutching and martyring him as hard as the left is doing now?
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Democrats will party 100x harder than Republicans are now, which publicly at least they really aren't. Everyone in any mainstream adjacent position has been very respectful, but that won't be the case when Trump dies. Republicans will also freak out less than Democrats are now.

I can promise I won't tell you not to joke about it.
 
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Unexpected Genitals said:
Do you think the Republicans will be pearl-clutching and martyring him as hard as the left is doing now?
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Not really. Unless he's assassinated, I think there will be a wider variety of reactions to Trump's death among the right. For one, he's controversial even among hardcore Republicans. He wasn't supposed to be "the one". Memes about him being God Emperor of The United States aside, he wasn't enshrined as some sort of deity to the same level RBG was these past two years.

For two, Trump biting the big one means Pence gets to do the job. The Republicans wouldn't lose all that much immediate power from Trump's death like the Democrats lost with RBG's death. There would be some eulogizing, some "I hated him but voted for him anyway", some "finally, our party can have some dignity again" and some "ding dong Orange Man is dead". And of course the memelords online are going to go ballistic.

And on the left, you can bet your ass there will be deaths from trampling in the massive crowd rushing to dance on his grave. I'm not joking, there would be a lot of misguided people literally dancing on the streets.
 
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The reaction to Trump's death will entirely depend if he's retired or not at the time. If he dies in office that will massively change the course of history with Pence taking over and spark a lot of political discussion, but if he dies in retirement in the 2030s then there will be a few left wing celebrations and some right wing commemorations but it won't be a huge event because the world will have moved on.
 
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Pointless Pedant said:
The reaction to Trump's death will entirely depend if he's retired or not at the time. If he dies in office that will massively change the course of history with Pence taking over and spark a lot of political discussion, but if he dies in retirement in the 2030s then there will be a few left wing celebrations and some right wing commemorations but it won't be a huge event because the world will have moved on.
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For a good example of that, look at how Margaret Thatcher was treated after she died. Maybe the Brits have a longer memory for political grievances than we do, but the poor woman caught a lot of flak post-mortem even though by all accounts she was doing very poorly in her final years.

At least she got to retire, though.
 
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Pointless Pedant said:
The reaction to Trump's death will entirely depend if he's retired or not at the time. If he dies in office that will massively change the course of history with Pence taking over and spark a lot of political discussion, but if he dies in retirement in the 2030s then there will be a few left wing celebrations and some right wing commemorations but it won't be a huge event because the world will have moved on.
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He'll probably live so long that it'll be like gravedancing for Jimmy Carter.
 
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Unexpected Genitals said:
Whatever you say, dood. Whatever you say.

But I better see a crab rave on this godforsaken site when Trump dies.
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Be the change you want to see: edit a combover on the main dancing crab and have the video ready for when that happens.

Until then, just shut up and enjoy the salt instead of being mad at people being edgy.
 
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