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There is nothing self-professed "Communists" hate more than actual workers.
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It did not help that the blue-collar posters were Southern Democrats from states like Alabama and Georgia, states marked on modern Dem maps as "Slave-owners and Gay-hating Klansmen here". "Very white and very bourgeois" describes the regulars well.
 
Kinda like how Cerulean Lion is tolerated as their token Christian poster since he doesn't denounce any of their degeneracy and just wrings his hands about bad things happening in the world and how Jesus would want us to love everyone.

I think Cerulean Lion's probably already banned over some minor non-issue at this point. With these kinds of people who act as tokens, they're usually watched like a hawk by the ones who are in control and usually get purged spectacularly and over the most trivial of reasons.
 
One of the natural consequences of living in a hugbox is that you come to believe any argument made against the group consensus must be made in bad faith—since it gets purged so quickly—and therefore, anyone expressing such a sentiment must be a troll. After all, your views are obviously good, because all of your friends in the group agree with them, so anyone who criticizes you or your beliefs must be evil. Error has no rights.

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When you view everything in life through the lense of racism, it distorts things that have nothing to do with it. "Institutional racism" is just leftist speak for "I didn't get the result I wanted". Just like "unconscious biases" or "internalized racism".

Plus I thought it was well known that any sufficiently advanced algorithm became racist. I for one welcome our based machine overlords.
 
When you view everything in life through the lense of racism, it distorts things that have nothing to do with it. "Institutional racism" is just leftist speak for "I didn't get the result I wanted". Just like "unconscious biases" or "internalized racism".

Plus I thought it was well known that any sufficiently advanced algorithm became racist. I for one welcome our based machine overlords.

This is one of those times where no matter how many times I read the offending post, I simply cannot grasp what triggered the mods, even when I twist my brain into an SJW pretzel as best I can. It's a cogent, informative, rational argument with no personal attacks or snark. What the fuck, mang? The ban even includes that trademark RPG.net mod self-righteousness. It's a madhouse over there.

Thank you. Make you sure you vote me this year and not that loser @Bender

Don't forget: you are all equally inferior to robots. (Except RPG mods are extra inferior.)

Don't blame me, I'm voting for @It's HK-47.
 
This is one of those times where no matter how many times I read the offending post, I simply cannot grasp what triggered the mods, even when I twist my brain into an SJW pretzel as best I can. It's a cogent, informative, rational argument with no personal attacks or snark. What the fuck, mang? The ban even includes that trademark RPG.net mod self-righteousness. It's a madhouse over there.

It's a case of We Are Already All Decided. The Good People have already decide the correct stances on the issues. There is no legitimate criticism of the correct Good People opinions. All other opinions are trolls or Secret Hitlers.


EDIT: Speaking of enforced consensus...
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This is one of those times where no matter how many times I read the offending post, I simply cannot grasp what triggered the mods, even when I twist my brain into an SJW pretzel as best I can. It's a cogent, informative, rational argument with no personal attacks or snark. What the fuck, mang? The ban even includes that trademark RPG.net mod self-righteousness. It's a madhouse over there.
Yeah, I saw that one as well. If I was on there I'd turn it around and ask why rpg.net condones group attacks on software devs.

But nope, decision is made, you're a racist and any attempt to refute is denial.
 
Whenever someone's safe space might be tainted by a fleck of snark or sarcasm, Salinea is there to set things right!

/sarc
 
This is one of those times where no matter how many times I read the offending post, I simply cannot grasp what triggered the mods, even when I twist my brain into an SJW pretzel as best I can. It's a cogent, informative, rational argument with no personal attacks or snark. What the fuck, mang? The ban even includes that trademark RPG.net mod self-righteousness. It's a madhouse over there.

It comes down to the fact that you are not supposed to go against the hivemind and it's narratives in even the smallest of ways no matter what.

If you are not a literal mindless zombie then you are the bad guy.

The question on my mind is who gets to create these narratives?
 
@Wallace Damn, I wanted to post that. It is a perfect specimen of the poisonous lunacy ruling RPGNet. Hysterical overreaction to a very mild, assumed but unintended slight from a story that's now years old? Check. Relentless virtue signalling and self-backpatting? Check. Voice of reason poster getting punished for trying to dial back the madness a bit? Check. Other users immediately going on the warpath to shun the offender? Check. Moderator intervention? Check. What a shitty joke.
 
@Wallace Damn, I wanted to post that. It is a perfect specimen of the poisonous lunacy ruling RPGNet. Hysterical overreaction to a very mild, assumed but unintended slight from a story that's now years old? Check. Relentless virtue signalling and self-backpatting? Check. Voice of reason poster getting punished for trying to dial back the madness a bit? Check. Other users immediately going on the warpath to shun the offender? Check. Moderator intervention? Check. What a shitty joke.

It's even funnier when juxtaposed with the doom and gloom posts in Tangency about how awful and problematic everything is. When you live in a hugbox dedicated to obsessively ruminating about how awful and problematic everything is, and all of the voices of reason have left or been expelled, it really shouldn't come as a surprise that your mood plummets and you start seeing harm everywhere. Add in a social reward for participating in this kind of thinking, and a social punishment for speaking out against it, and you have a recipe for anxiety and depression--yet they will never admit it is their own doing.

EDIT: I forgot the part about not being allowed to point out this tension. There's no reasoning with the enemy, no compromising with them, and no coexistence with them, but you're also not allowed to advocate open conflict. What options remain?

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EDIT: Speaking of enforced consensus...
There's one thing in there that I've noticed in all the progressive hugbox forums - there at RPGNet, Something Awful, ResetEra, Metafilter - is that point about speaking for entire groups. Because those rules pretty explicitly state what is usually unofficial policy, which is that a single member of a minority can be said to speak for the entire group when they're offended by something. They say something's an institutional form of bigotry, you have to accept that it's true, or you're banned. But if that single member of a minority says something is not offensive, all of a sudden they can't speak for the group, it's wrong to act like minority groups are a hivemind, etc. If they're feeling particularly feisty, that minority member has internalised bigotry.

So, for example, black people aren't a monolithic group. Except when one of them says they're offended, suddenly you've been racist to every black person worldwide. But if another black person disagrees with that first one, they're only speaking for themselves and not representative of black people as a whole. And woe betide you if you aren't black and question whether it's as bad as that single black person says.

Not only does it make these forums very vulnerable to the heckler's veto, where only a couple of people loudly offended about everything can force a topic to be entirely about their perspectives. But they also leave themselves open to people socking wildly so as to give their opinion some weight. Because if one black person says something is racist but the other dozen black members of the forum disagree, then they might allow the possibility that it's only that one person who has a problem. But as soon as that person has even one other poster backing them up, then it's settled - whatever they're complaining about is bad and must be considered bad by everyone.

Of course, it also encourages people to lie about their identities, but that's a given, really. I've seen numerous people in those kinds of forums act like there's never a benefit to being, say, trans in any situation, when it's obvious in lefty hugbox forums that trans posters get a lot more leeway due to their high position in the oppressive stack. Ditto with people lying about their skin colour, especially with the several rather notable examples of academic activists having to admit that they're not actually black/latino but were just lying to get ahead.

tl;dr: These places already had mod policies in place to elevate outraged voices above all others. The A-Game thread rules just codifies it so the more offended to feel, the more correct you are.
 
There's one thing in there that I've noticed in all the progressive hugbox forums - there at RPGNet, Something Awful, ResetEra, Metafilter - is that point about speaking for entire groups. Because those rules pretty explicitly state what is usually unofficial policy, which is that a single member of a minority can be said to speak for the entire group when they're offended by something. They say something's an institutional form of bigotry, you have to accept that it's true, or you're banned. But if that single member of a minority says something is not offensive, all of a sudden they can't speak for the group, it's wrong to act like minority groups are a hivemind, etc. If they're feeling particularly feisty, that minority member has internalised bigotry.

So, for example, black people aren't a monolithic group. Except when one of them says they're offended, suddenly you've been racist to every black person worldwide. But if another black person disagrees with that first one, they're only speaking for themselves and not representative of black people as a whole. And woe betide you if you aren't black and question whether it's as bad as that single black person says.

Not only does it make these forums very vulnerable to the heckler's veto, where only a couple of people loudly offended about everything can force a topic to be entirely about their perspectives. But they also leave themselves open to people socking wildly so as to give their opinion some weight. Because if one black person says something is racist but the other dozen black members of the forum disagree, then they might allow the possibility that it's only that one person who has a problem. But as soon as that person has even one other poster backing them up, then it's settled - whatever they're complaining about is bad and must be considered bad by everyone.

Of course, it also encourages people to lie about their identities, but that's a given, really. I've seen numerous people in those kinds of forums act like there's never a benefit to being, say, trans in any situation, when it's obvious in lefty hugbox forums that trans posters get a lot more leeway due to their high position in the oppressive stack. Ditto with people lying about their skin colour, especially with the several rather notable examples of academic activists having to admit that they're not actually black/latino but were just lying to get ahead.

tl;dr: These places already had mod policies in place to elevate outraged voices above all others. The A-Game thread rules just codifies it so the more offended to feel, the more correct you are.

It's a consequence of optimizing for being a "welcoming" place, rather than a functional place, and for characterizing disagreement as trolling. I wish I could make the sarcasm quotes around the word "welcoming" bigger.
 
It's even funnier when juxtaposed with the doom and gloom posts in Tangency about how awful and problematic everything is. When you live in a hugbox dedicated to obsessively ruminating about how awful and problematic everything is, and all of the voices of reason have left or been expelled, it really shouldn't come as a surprise that your mood plummets and you start seeing harm everywhere. Add in a social reward for participating in this kind of thinking, and a social punishment for speaking out against it, and you have a recipe for anxiety and depression--yet they will never admit it is their own doing.

EDIT: I forgot the part about not being allowed to point out this tension. There's no reasoning with the enemy, no compromising with them, and no coexistence with them, but you're also not allowed to advocate open conflict. What options remain?

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The intensely negative tone of Tangency was noted many years before it sank into its current state by Darren, who coined the phrase "black bug room" to describe certain threads where somebody apparently posted something just to say, "Look how awful this thing is". The post he made about it was intensely memorable, describing "pale naked humanoids" lying helplessly in a pit of despair, only to burst into a ghastly chorus of wails and moans every so often whenever someone would come along and command them to look at this horrible thing only to eventually return to lying helplessly in despair again until the cycle repeated. The phrase "black bug room" originated in an issue of X-Men where a telepath showed Cyclops his inner "black bug room", the part of his mind he keeps all his despair and misery. Despite being warned well in advance, the staff were not able to turn things around, nor were they able to escape being sucked into the misery themselves. Now, they too are now pale naked humanoids lying helplessly in a pit of despair along with the rest of RPG.net's userbase.
 
The intensely negative tone of Tangency was noted many years before it sank into its current state by Darren, who coined the phrase "black bug room" to describe certain threads where somebody apparently posted something just to say, "Look how awful this thing is". The post he made about it was intensely memorable, describing "pale naked humanoids" lying helplessly in a pit of despair, only to burst into a ghastly chorus of wails and moans every so often whenever someone would come along and command them to look at this horrible thing only to eventually return to lying helplessly in despair again until the cycle repeated. The phrase "black bug room" originated in an issue of X-Men where a telepath showed Cyclops his inner "black bug room", the part of his mind he keeps all his despair and misery. Despite being warned well in advance, the staff were not able to turn things around, nor were they able to escape being sucked into the misery themselves. Now, they too are now pale naked humanoids lying helplessly in a pit of despair along with the rest of RPG.net's userbase.

It falls into the same pattern of weirdly incentivized dukkha:
  1. Notice that the world is not to your satisfaction.
  2. Get butthurt about this dissatisfaction on social media.
  3. Soak up the dopamine rush of likes, retweets, upvotes, and e-hugs from your butthurt.
  4. Notice that your butthurt hasn’t actually changed anything, and the world is still not to your satisfaction.
  5. Go to 2, repeat ad infinitum.
If you want to understand why everyone is miserable, look to how obsessively ruminating about misery gets rewarded.
 
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