Containment Random Thoughts & Questions

[AN/ALR56]

Yeah, it's kinda slow to the punch on Kwality Kris Kontent. I feel like the Kiwi Farms is much faster in finding information on the Chandlers.

And a lot of info is now showing to be wrong.
Also info that clyde was Vivian is not there

 

[Marvin]

And a lot of info is now showing to be wrong.
Also info that clyde was Vivian is not there

Vivian/Clyde is a bit tricky, because that's more of hearsay. But yeah, the cwcki needs some work.

 

[Gensdupays]

The CWCKi is a relic from an earlier time. It needs to exist, but it needs a major overhaul and nearly every article needs to be rewritten in some way.

 

[Handsome Pete]

Vivian/Clyde is a bit tricky, because that's more of hearsay. But yeah, the cwcki needs some work.

The CWCKi is a relic from an earlier time. It needs to exist, but it needs a major overhaul and nearly every article needs to be rewritten in some way.

At this point, it almost seems like the CWCki should break kayfabe and just flat out state what happened, and then compare that to what Chris thinks happened.

Sort of like how Wikipedia articles for fictional characters have a "Fictional Character Biography" alongside the behind-the-scenes stuff that actually happened.

 

[Marvin]

At this point, it almost seems like the CWCki should break kayfabe and just flat out state what happened, and then compare that to what Chris thinks happened.

Sort of like how Wikipedia articles for fictional characters have a "Fictional Character Biography" alongside the behind-the-scenes stuff that actually happened.

Y'know, it's not even so much as kayfabe as just requiring solid sources. Something beyond hearsay.

 

[Gensdupays]

Too much of the CWCKi is written in a way that would now be seen as weening/A-Logging, to be honest.

 

[That Guy]

Too much of the CWCKi is written in a way that would now be seen as weening/A-Logging, to be honest.

Well, a lot of the major articles are fairly even-toned but yeah some of them get a-loggy at times. I've noticed there's very little content on the wiki regarding his recent trans-lesbian phase. Most of the stuff on there seems to be focused on the period from 2007-2010 when CWC was at the height of his internet "fame" and trolling had reached its peak.

I think there's a few reasons why people stopped updating the CWCiki. First of all, there was that long period after Bob's death where he went radio silent. Second, he's pretty much limited his interaction with the outside world to retarded Facebook posts, which are boring compared to the Youtube videos from the good 'ol days. As a result, no one cares enough to update the wiki.

Also, if the wiki was abandoned even for a short time, it becomes even MORE work to bring it up to snuff, so most people don't even bother and just stick with the small stuff like minor edits.

 

[timtommy]

Well, a lot of the major articles are fairly even-toned but yeah some of them get a-loggy at times. I've noticed there's very little content on the wiki regarding his recent trans-lesbian phase. Most of the stuff on there seems to be focused on the period from 2007-2010 when CWC was at the height of his internet "fame" and trolling had reached its peak.

It seems easier to have interesting info about the "sagas" that have reached their logical conclusion and when everyone who is going to release info has released it. The incompleteness of the trans-lesbian phase lends itself more to forum discussion and less encyclopediac documentation.

 

[Ravenor]

The whole point of Wikipedia an wikis by association is the communal catalogueing of knowledge the only reason the wiki has got out of date is because the associated community has ignored that resource, if we banded together we could fix it.

I'm game to give it a try, anyone else?

 

[Gensdupays]

I think a good place to start would be the "Chris and..." series of articles. Specifically the ones about Chris physically. The "Chris and Fashion" article is decently updated but stuff like "Chris and Race" or even "Chris and Health" would be worth overhauling because apparently they're rather exaggerated.

 

[Bronchitis that Lingers]

The whole point of Wikipedia an wikis by association is the communal catalogueing of knowledge the only reason the wiki has got out of date is because the associated community has ignored that resource, if we banded together we could fix it.

I'm game to give it a try, anyone else?

I'm down. if the community can agree on some main things to add/fix, as well as the overall tone, it could be a productive project.
I haven't been on it in a bit, but has anything been updated as far as the Catherine stuff, Impulse, or his court dates? An Impulse article may be a good place to start.

 

[Ravenor]

I think a good place to start would be the "Chris and..." series of articles. Specifically the ones about Chris physically. The "Chris and Fashion" article is decently updated but stuff like "Chris and Race" or even "Chris and Health" would be worth overhauling because apparently they're rather exaggerated.

Agreed the Chris and series is a fascinating place for hard fact and intelligent deductions using the given facts @Marvin might be able to help fill in some of the blanks and point out some of the not so overt exadurations.

 

[asperhes]

Too much of the CWCKi is written in a way that would now be seen as weening/A-Logging, to be honest.

I am the person who has done the most editing work to the CWCki over the past greater than nine months. My main interest has been in adding old primary source material that had been overlooked--Facebook posts, his old MySpace page, his old websites. forum participation, etc. This should always be the first priority, but it is good that we might be at a stage where the trickier interpretive articles are open for reevaluation.

The CWCki is much less A-loggy than it used to be. I was not around in the old days, but my interpretation of the CWCki's origins is that it spun off from ED because of differences of opinions regarding tactics and goals. ED is a troll site--they deliberately lie about their subjects in order to get a rise out of them, so that the subjects lash out and create lulz. The classic example was when they trolled the entire government of Australia by calling the aborigines a bunch of dirty niggers and made international news.

The founders of the CWCki, as I see it, believed more in being true and honest. If we really want to hold Chris's feet to the fire, we must be able to back up our claims with objective data. If Chris can just say that the trolls are mislabeling him, and be right about this, it makes us look like a bunch of sadistic animals. So as A-Loggy as it seems, the CWCki is actually much more impartial towards Chris than ED is or aspires to be. However, given that the founders of the CWCki were refugees from ED, much of that tone and content was carried over, whether deliberately or accidentally I can't say in individual cases. The editing that I and others have been doing recently have been gradually whittling away at the remnants of A-Logging.

(As an aside, it interests me how little institutional memory the CWCki has. The Original Faggots who founded the site have disappeared, like the Dwemer. If you go through the Talk sections of the CWCki pages and look at the old usernames, and the vitriolic tone they used among themselves, none of it remains. In all my time editing, I have gotten zero pushback from anyone claiming to represent tradition. There is a great opportunity here for a collective reboot of the CWCki based on the current values of the Forum. The bad side is that there's practically no one you can ask questions about regarding the background of the troll sagas.)

The commitment to objectivity, demonstrated by the extraordinary wealth of hard evidence, is what attracted me to the CWCki in the first place. The crackdown on A-Logging is what keeps me attracted to the forums. My sense is that most of us believe that Chris deserves criticism and ridicule. The only way for us to back up our bizarre hobby of keeping tabs on this pathetic, addled, manchild is with solid, objective sourcing. I believe that publicly mocking someone based on hearsay and conjecture is the equivalent of being in high school and calling that one girl a slut because you heard from a friend who heard it from her cousin who heard it from the that one waitress that she gave a handjob behind the IHOP three weeks ago. It's completely pathetic and says more about your own insecurities and self-loathing. I hope this isn't what I'm doing.

I have been very disturbed by some offhand statements Marvin has made over the past couple of days that the CWCki is full of shit. Actually I sort of agree with him, in that a lot of content is still designed in the old trollish way to instigate a freak-out from Chris. I think there might also be some exhaustion regarding the original project of trying to reform or change Chris. Marvin seems to have gone even further and sees Chris as a harmless fool who really doesn't deserve to have anger or scorn directed towards him. I'm on the fence here. There are different opinions. All I'm saying is that whatever major revisions you want to make to the major articles of the CWCki, like the "Chris and..." series, my advice is to stay close to the sources, avoid armchair psychology, avoid political editorializing about welfare cheats, and fucking know something about the medical condition called autism.

It is ironic that we laugh at Chris for calling himself the Mysterious Lady while having these endless debates about who he is.

 

[That Guy]

The CWCiki is a vital piece of Christory. It's my hope that the CWCiki will allow future generations read and learn about the mystery of God autist that is Christian Weston Chandler.

 

[Tayjelir]

I'm not asking why people aren't more violent in general with the following question, but why do people hate the idea of Chris being intentionally hurt by someone else so much, whether they're capable and willing to do so or not? I wouldn't threaten someone over the internet or in real life either, because violence is a shitty and pointless "solution" to a problem, but when I read threats made by others even if it's to me, I just ignore it unless they act.

 

[Marvin]

(As an aside, it interests me how little institutional memory the CWCki has. The Original Faggots who founded the site have disappeared, like the Dwemer. If you go through the Talk sections of the CWCki pages and look at the old usernames, and the vitriolic tone they used among themselves, none of it remains. In all my time editing, I have gotten zero pushback from anyone claiming to represent tradition. There is a great opportunity here for a collective reboot of the CWCki based on the current values of the Forum. The bad side is that there's practically no one you can ask questions about regarding the background of the troll sagas.)

Heh, you can trace the age of content on the cwcki by the amount of a-logging in it.

I have been very disturbed by some offhand statements Marvin has made over the past couple of days that the CWCki is full of shit. Actually I sort of agree with him, in that a lot of content is still designed in the old trollish way to instigate a freak-out from Chris. I think there might also be some exhaustion regarding the original project of trying to reform or change Chris.

My position here is colored strongly by the people I encounter in #sonichu. The channel really doesn't talk about Chris much anymore, and it's not of interest to Christorians. But once in awhile we get someone wanting to talk about Chris and they seem to have some weird ideas about Chris. "If I met Chris, I'm sure he'd freak out, I'm black and he hates black people, lol!"

So sometimes I worry that the cwcki is outdated. Of course, these people could've swung past the ED page first as well, so it might not be entirely the cwcki. Indeed, when I checked, the Chris and race page was better than I thought it would be. That page, for example, can probably stand how it is.

All I'm saying is that whatever major revisions you want to make to the major articles of the CWCki, like the "Chris and..." series, my advice is to stay close to the sources, avoid armchair psychology, avoid political editorializing about welfare cheats, and fucking know something about the medical condition called autism.

This is good advice.

We should be prioritizing documenting Chris content. Recording facebook posts and things like that.

Additionally, as we slowly clean up a-logging, we don't want to eliminate all jokes at Chris' expense. We can still keep the cwcki fun. You can still laugh at Chris, just use your best judgement. The jokes should be a bit more sophisticated than "Lol, i betcha Chris pooped himself when that happened!"

 

[That Guy]

The jokes should be a bit more sophisticated than "Lol, i betcha Chris pooped himself when that happened!"

There was the Chandler Cats article where someone called Chris a fat cunt for naming his cat Skittles. Sure, that's a dumb name but at least the sperg that edited that part could be a little more subtle in his insults.

I find the CWCiki is best when it's brutally honest. A good example of this is the article on 14 BLC. It depicts the filth and squalor of the place without being a-loggy.

Speaking of the house, one part that really, really needs updating is Chris' bedroom. As far as we can tell he's moved into the basement and has left the old bedroom to be invaded by the Hoard. Although of course we no longer have videos that allow us to analyze his current post-fire living conditions so it's all pure conjecture at this point.

 

[asperhes]

Speaking of the house, one part that really, really needs updating is Chris' bedroom. As far as we can tell he's moved into the basement and has left the old bedroom to be invaded by the Hoard. Although of course we no longer have videos that allow us to analyze his current post-fire living conditions so it's all pure conjecture at this point.

This is easy as fuck. You just did it yourself. We know that the house has been radically renovated, the current status of the hoard is unclear, Chris's current living conditions are unclear, but there's photographic evidence that if he's not living on the ground floor, he's definitely got a work station there. Now we can move on to other business.

 

[Chipmunk With A Banana]

I checked through the various CWC threads as best as I could and didn't see this mentioned already, so I thought I'd drop this little factoid about the creation of Sonic. Not only was he originally designed as a rabbit (I guess a speedy rabbit makes sense), a warrior, and as a clown, but guess what?

http://info.sonicretro.org/Game_Development:Sonic_the_Hedgehog_(16-bit)#Development_Process

Check out the arms. What color are they?

Also, Sonic was also going to have his own band in the original game too.

http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_Band

 

[ChurchOfGodBear]

1) the original Sonic design really reminds me of early animation characters like Bosko, Buddy, and Felix the cat. Kinda sorry they drifted away from that.

2) if sonic was supposed to have a band, that means Christian and the Hedgehog Boys is not a very original idea. I just cannot fathom that concept.