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Literally the only good thing to come out of this shit is that I've finally had time to work ony garden, and that's only because I can't do anything that would distract me from it, go on holiday, or see any of my family or friends on anything other than zoom

I have a new patio, at least. I'm going to grill this weekend. Then I might go do something stupid, like piss in bojo's cereal.
 
Where's the 'rise in cases' coming from? We're well into the 6-7 month, this should be (and is) declining like every other disease like this. The hospitalizations and deaths don't even match or look close to the number of cases either.
Testing. It's entirely because of testing, which has an atrocious false positive rate.
 
Collecting child porn is practically legal there? Well I know where I'm moving to next! As far away from there as possible.
My BS detector was set off by this, partially because of the use of the term "erotica," which is disgusting but free speech, and the odd phrasing of "collecting CP on a work computer."


There's the article, and it's got a bias. 149 images of CP on his phone, 1082 files of "child erotica" (which again, is nothing). It specifically calls out 1 image on his phone, which makes me wonder if the 148 other images weren't actionable.

Looks like two separate judges let him walk, first with no bail despite the investigator saying he was a threat, and one who let him do a "stay of imposition" (basically, probation/plea deal). This is apparently not uncommon in MN.

Yes, it is very common in Minnesota for even repeat violent offenders to have their sentences stayed. Many of the joggers arrested recently for shootings and stabbings and carjackings and robberies are joggers who had sentences stayed for violent offenses just months prior. Because prison for violent thugs is rayyyyyyciss. So now Minneapolis is Mogadishu 2.0 and nobody from the suburbs or rural areas will step foot there. City council shrieks at the police, asking where the police are after voting to disband them. Soyboy Jacob Frey is nowhere to be found as the city descends into chaos.

I repeat, we need to bring back medieval punishments for every single one of these politicians.
 
So I missed this a few days back, but:
Two women develop "serious neurological illnesses" after receiving AstraZeneca's COVID vaccine
Original title: AstraZeneca, Under Fire for Vaccine Safety, Releases Trial Blueprints (Archive)
Protocol: A Phase III Randomized, Double-blind, Placebo-controlled Multicenter Study in Adults to Determine the Safety, Efficacy, and Immunogenicity of AZD1222, a Non-replicating ChAdOx1 Vector Vaccine, for the Prevention of COVID-19 (pdf)

tl;dr: The first case was diagnosed as transverse myelitis, second case as of yet undetermined.

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Experts are concerned that the company has not been more forthcoming about two participants who became seriously ill after getting its experimental vaccine.


AstraZeneca revealed details of its large coronavirus vaccine trials on Saturday, the third in a wave of rare disclosures by drug companies under pressure to be more transparent about how they are testing products that are the world’s best hope for ending the pandemic.

Polls are finding Americans increasingly wary of accepting a coronavirus vaccine. And scientists inside and outside the government are worried that regulators, pressured by the president for results before Election Day on Nov. 3, might release an unproven or unsafe vaccine.

“The release of these protocols seems to reflect some public pressure to do so,” said Natalie Dean, a biostatistician and expert in clinical trial design for vaccines at the University of Florida. “This is an unprecedented situation, and public confidence is such a huge part of the success of this endeavor.”

Experts have been particularly concerned about AstraZeneca’s vaccine trials, which began in April in Britain, because of the company’s refusal to provide details about serious neurological illnesses in two participants, both women, who received its experimental vaccine in Britain. Those cases spurred the company to halt its trials twice, the second time earlier this month. The studies have resumed in Britain, Brazil, India and South Africa, but are still on pause in the U.S. About 18,000 people worldwide have received AstraZeneca’s vaccine so far.

AstraZeneca’s 111-page trial blueprint, known as a protocol, states that its goal is a vaccine with 50 percent effectiveness — the same threshold that the Food and Drug Administration has set in its guidance for coronavirus vaccines. To determine with statistical confidence whether the company has met that target, there will have to be 150 people ill with confirmed coronavirus among participants who were vaccinated or received placebo shots.

However, the plan anticipates that a safety board will perform an early analysis after there have been just 75 cases. If the vaccine is 50 percent effective at that point, it might be possible for the company to stop the trial early and apply for authorization from the government to release the vaccine for emergency use.

In allowing only one such interim analysis, AstraZeneca’s plan is more rigorous than the others that have been released, from Moderna and Pfizer, Dr. Eric Topol, a clinical trials expert at Scripps Research in San Diego, said in an interview. Moderna allows two such analyses, and Pfizer four.

He said the problem with looking at the data too many times, after a relatively small number of cases, is that it increases the odds of finding an appearance of safety and efficacy that might not hold up. Stopping trials early can also increase the risk of missing rare side effects that could be significant once the vaccine is given to millions of people.

Dr. Topol said AstraZeneca’s plan, like those of Moderna and Pfizer, had a problematic feature: All count relatively mild cases of Covid-19 when measuring efficacy, which may hamper efforts to determine whether the vaccine prevents moderate or severe illness.

Such plans are not usually shared with the public “due to the importance of maintaining confidentiality and integrity of trials,” Michele Meixell, a spokeswoman for AstraZeneca, said in a statement.

The company has released few details about the two cases of serious illness in its trial. The first participant received one dose of the vaccine before developing inflammation of the spinal cord, known as transverse myelitis, according to a participant information sheet for AstraZeneca’s vaccine from July. The condition can cause weakness in the arms and legs, paralysis, pain and bowel and bladder problems.

The case prompted a pause in AstraZeneca’s vaccine trials to allow for a safety review by independent experts. A company spokeswoman told the Times last week that the volunteer was later determined to have a previously undiagnosed case of multiple sclerosis, unrelated to the vaccine, and that the trial resumed shortly thereafter.
Transverse myelitis can sometimes be the first sign of multiple sclerosis, which involves more complex symptoms. But the myelitis alone can also occur after the body encounters an infectious agent like a virus.

The company said it had not confirmed a diagnosis in the second case, a participant who got sick after the second dose of the vaccine. A person familiar with the situation who spoke with The Times on the condition of anonymity said the participant’s illness had been pinpointed as transverse myelitis. The trial was paused again on Sept. 6 after she fell ill.
The condition is rare, but serious, and experts said that finding even one case among thousands of trial participants could be a red flag. Multiple confirmed cases, they said, could be enough to halt AstraZeneca’s vaccine bid entirely.
“If there are two cases, then this starts to look like a dangerous pattern,” said Mark Slifka, a vaccine expert at Oregon Health and Science University. “If a third case of neurological disease pops up in the vaccine group, then this vaccine may be done.”

A participant information sheet dated Sept. 11 on AstraZeneca’s trial in Britain lumped the two volunteers’ cases together, stating the illnesses were “unlikely to be associated with the vaccine or there was insufficient evidence to say for certain that the illnesses were or were not related to the vaccine,” based on safety reviews. The next day, AstraZeneca announced that it had resumed the trial in Britain.

But the F.D.A. has so far not allowed the company to start up again in the United States.

A spokesman for the F.D.A. declined to comment. The National Institutes of Health said in a statement that it “remains to be seen” whether the onset of illness in trial participants was coincidental or tied to the vaccine, adding that “pausing to allow for further evaluation is consistent with standard practice.”

Dr. Mark Goldberger, an infectious disease expert at the Global Antibiotic Research and Development Partnership and a former F.D.A. official, said he found the rapid restarting of trials abroad to be “a little disturbing,” especially given the lack of details around the patients’ symptoms and the ambiguity around their connection to the vaccine. “Maybe this is the best they could do — it may not be possible to get more certainty at this time,” he said. “It is a question mark as to what’s going on.”

The company did not immediately inform the public about the neurological problems of either participant. Nor did it promptly alert the F.D.A. that it was again pausing its trials after the second U.K. volunteer developed illness and an independent safety board called for a temporary halt, according to multiple people familiar with the situation. The company’s chief executive told investors about the problems but did not discuss them publicly until the information was leaked and reported by STAT.

“The communication around it has been horrible and unacceptable,” said Dr. Peter Jay Hotez, a virologist with Baylor College of Medicine in Houston. “This is not how the American people should be hearing about this.”

Dr. Hotez also criticized obtuse statements released by government officials, including U.K. regulators who he said failed to supply a rationale for resuming their trials.

“Tell us why you came to that decision,” he said.

Dr. Paul Offit, a professor at the University of Pennsylvania and a member of the F.D.A.’s advisory committee on vaccines, said that it’s unclear how the company — or the U.K. government — determined that the second case was not related to the vaccine.

He and other experts noted that transverse myelitis is rare, diagnosed in only about one in 236,000 Americans a year. The trial in Britain involved only about 8,000 volunteers, a spokesman for the Oxford researchers said last month.

The vaccine being developed by AstraZeneca, which formed a partnership with Oxford University scientists, uses a virus meant to carry coronavirus genes into human cells and trigger an immune response that will protect people from the coronavirus. This so-called vector is a modified form of an adenovirus that causes common colds in chimpanzees but is considered safe for people. Several other companies, including Johnson & Johnson and CanSino, are pursuing similar adenovirus-based approaches, although there are multiple types of adenoviruses, and specific ingredients differ from vaccine to vaccine.

While other adenovirus-based products have seen some success in the past, they have also been linked to serious adverse events. The most famous was the case of 18-year-old Jesse Gelsinger, who died in 1999 after receiving gene therapy through an adenovirus that sparked a lethal inflammatory response from his immune system.
If a serious side effect was definitively linked to AstraZeneca’s vaccine, scientists would need to determine if its root cause stemmed from the adenovirus vector, or perhaps the coronavirus genes it carried — connections that could raise concerns about other companies’ products that rely on the same components.
 
Cases aren't rising in LA. They've been dropping since the beginning of August. It's also been harder to get testing lately - although this morning's news was, "Thousands of test slots open!"
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So I missed this a few days back, but:
Two women develop "serious neurological illnesses" after receiving AstraZeneca's COVID vaccine
Original title: AstraZeneca, Under Fire for Vaccine Safety, Releases Trial Blueprints (Archive)
Protocol: A Phase III Randomized, Double-blind, Placebo-controlled Multicenter Study in Adults to Determine the Safety, Efficacy, and Immunogenicity of AZD1222, a Non-replicating ChAdOx1 Vector Vaccine, for the Prevention of COVID-19 (pdf)

tl;dr: The first case was diagnosed as transverse myelitis, second case as of yet undetermined.

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And they said then hydroxychloroquine is not safe and dangerous....
 
So I missed this a few days back, but:
Two women develop "serious neurological illnesses" after receiving AstraZeneca's COVID vaccine
Original title: AstraZeneca, Under Fire for Vaccine Safety, Releases Trial Blueprints (Archive)
Protocol: A Phase III Randomized, Double-blind, Placebo-controlled Multicenter Study in Adults to Determine the Safety, Efficacy, and Immunogenicity of AZD1222, a Non-replicating ChAdOx1 Vector Vaccine, for the Prevention of COVID-19 (pdf)

tl;dr: The first case was diagnosed as transverse myelitis, second case as of yet undetermined.

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Forget the back and forth spergouts about if COVID-19 is neurotropic or not, if the fucking vaccine causes neurological illness this is a shitshow. If nothing else this might mean the vaccine isn't safe for anyone with preexisting conditions like multiple sclerosis, like the first woman had.
 
Forget the back and forth spergouts about if COVID-19 is neurotropic or not, if the fucking vaccine causes neurological illness this is a shitshow. If nothing else this might mean the vaccine isn't safe for anyone with preexisting conditions like multiple sclerosis, like the first woman had.
A "previously undiagnosed case of multiple sclerosis". She didn't even know she had it. Imagine finding out because you got the vaccine.
 
They're going to stop talking COVID numbers and start talking PIC numbers, so they can include all cases of pneumonia and influenza. That will keep masks going until flu season is over.
Probably. The goalposts have been moved from "flatten the curve" (reduce deaths) to simply "eliminate deaths" to "reduce cases" and we are now at "eliminate cases". After we "eliminate cases" we'll move onto "well the numbers and deaths are underreported so let's make sure the pneumonia and flu cases are gone too."
Costume masks are bad all of a sudden? You mean you can dress as a surgeon or a Crip or a plague doctor and get into stores but it's bad if you dress as a surgeon or a Crip or a plague doctor and go trick or treating?
 
I'll cut Boris the slightest bit of slack here, he did go through a particularly shitty bout with it earlier this year.

That said, all this will do is delay the inevitable and make the UK suffer more in the long run economically.
Add on to that, no matter what is negotiated in the post-brexit trade deal stuff, we're taking a substantial trade hit.
 
UK government flip flopping on whether or not they want people back to work or not and are now advising people not to go to their offices if they can work from home when only a few weeks ago they were pushing for more people to go back to offices. While they are probably going off the data they have it doesn't inspire a lot of confidence and I wouldn't want to be in Boris' shoes right now.

On the one hand I'm lucky that I have a job at all but on the other hand my tiny flat is terrible for long term home working. I was enjoying the few weeks I had in the office, guess its back to working from prison home for the foreseeable future. Bloody sickly Norf fucking it up for everyone else.
 
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