Community Tard Baby General (includes brain dead kids) - Fundies and their genetic Fuckups; Parents of corpses in denial

[A Detachable Penis]

Working in what was effectively a retard babysitting gig mostly made me pissed off how potatoes steal resources from people who, despite whatever challenges, can still engage with their surroundings/communicate. So many of the spuds had no idea whether they were sitting in a corner doing nothing or whatever, and some of em could only express misery and frustration.

Plenty could've probably learned to communicate when younger. Could probably learn now given the right resources, but the absolute spuds waste the money that could help others.

Also this facility would take anyone willing to work there. Can imagine the abuse that happened behind the scenes.

 

[iSaidShhh]

and I swear I've heard about other Quiverfull types ending up with disabled kids.

Just from personal knowledge - I live in an area with a ton of Amish and Mennonites and it's becoming more and more common for young Mennonite couples to really limit the number of kids they have (3-4 seems to be the high end, I'm friends with one couple that caused a big stir by stopping after two). So many of them have 15 to 18 siblings and severe disabilities are VERY common towards the younger end of the spectrum. The Amish are still popping out litters but that's to be expected.

 

[howmanypizzas69]

Just from personal knowledge - I live in an area with a ton of Amish and Mennonites and it's becoming more and more common for young Mennonite couples to really limit the number of kids they have (3-4 seems to be the high end, I'm friends with one couple that caused a big stir by stopping after two). So many of them have 15 to 18 siblings and severe disabilities are VERY common towards the younger end of the spectrum. The Amish are still popping out litters but that's to be expected.

Pretty sure it’s because the moms are much older by the time they get to 15+ kids, not because of the number of kids. Hell, Michelle Duggar was like 43 when she got pregnant with their last kid, and the kid was born at 25 weeks (!!) and almost died a zillion times.

 

[iSaidShhh]

Pretty sure it’s because the moms are much older by the time they get to 15+ kids, not because of the number of kids. Hell, Michelle Duggar was like 43 when she got pregnant with their last kid, and the kid was born at 25 weeks (!!) and almost died a zillion times.

43 fucking years old. Christ. Yeah the Amish and Mennonite women are told it's their job to keep pumping out kids as long as they possibly can and it seems like they only stop when either they physically can't have more kids or their last kid is mega fucked up.

It's rough. You see Mennonite kids in wheelchairs or tarded kids just like the English but nobody talks about what happens to the scores of tater Amish kids (they'll put the tarded ones to work just like normal kids though), and it's not like they've got SSNs or anything for anyone to notice if they disappear.

 

[Allo Vera]

Do the Mennonites and Amish also have issues with inbreeding and genetic disorders? In the U.K., the only inbred fundies we get in large numbers are the Pakistani Muslims.

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

Do the Mennonites and Amish also have issues with inbreeding and genetic disorders? In the U.K., the only inbred fundies we get in large numbers are the Pakistani Muslims.

Yes, and this is a much larger problem than having children older.

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[Android raptor]

Is inbreeding/genetic issues as big a problem with run of the mill Quiverfull fundies? I'd imagine with the Amish there's a lot of founder effect going on since they're all descended from the same fairly small group of people. While as the backgrounds of more common fundies are probably more diverse, especially when you include born-again loonies.

And geez, Michelle Duggar was only 43 when she had her last kid? I thought she was in her early 50s. Vaginas really aren't meant to be clown cars I guess.

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

Is inbreeding/genetic issues as big a problem with run of the mill Quiverfull fundies? I'd imagine with the Amish there's a lot of founder effect going on since they're all descended from the same fairly small group of people. While as the backgrounds of more common fundies are probably more diverse, especially when you include born-again loonies.

And geez, Michelle Duggar was only 43 when she had her last kid? I thought she was in her early 50s. Vaginas really aren't meant to be clown cars I guess.

43 is about normal for the end of a woman’s fertility; the historical average age at last birth was 44. She miscarried a baby at 4 months when she was 45.

I can’t imagine it being a huge issue for Quiverfulls. It’s likely that Michelle and Jim Bob are distantly related, but so are all Anglo-Americans — that’s why every US President is a cousin to all the others, except van Buren, who was wholly Dutch.

 

[booklover]

Is inbreeding/genetic issues as big a problem with run of the mill Quiverfull fundies? I'd imagine with the Amish there's a lot of founder effect going on since they're all descended from the same fairly small group of people. While as the backgrounds of more common fundies are probably more diverse, especially when you include born-again loonies.

And geez, Michelle Duggar was only 43 when she had her last kid? I thought she was in her early 50s. Vaginas really aren't meant to be clown cars I guess.

I haven't heard about inbreeding in the Quiverfull movement, but among FLDS, there are also a lot of rare genetic disorders that have popped up.

 

[iSaidShhh]

I'd imagine with the Amish there's a lot of founder effect going on since they're all descended from the same fairly small group of people.

I'm not sure how it is in other areas (not to get too specific, but Midwest, in my case), but the Amish have a fairly recent tradition of trading daughters off to other communities to get new bloodlines in (if you ever take an Amtrak and see an Amish family, especially one with a lot of girls in their teens or early twenties, that's almost certainly what's happening) for exactly this reason.

 

[Miss Misery]

The FLDS have a problem with fumarase deficiency due to two Short Creek founders both carrying the gene and their descendants marrying each other over the years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funda...sus_Christ_of_Latter-Day_Saints#Birth_defects

 

[booklover]

I'm not sure how it is in other areas (not to get too specific, but Midwest, in my case), but the Amish have a fairly recent tradition of trading daughters off to other communities to get new bloodlines in (if you ever take an Amtrak and see an Amish family, especially one with a lot of girls in their teens or early twenties, that's almost certainly what's happening) for exactly this reason.

Daughters? That's interesting. What do they do, gather a bunch of young women (with chaperones) and introduce them to men from another community? Do they do pen pal correspondence? Our ancestors certainly did a lot of that.

In nature, it's usually the male (sons) who leave the pack and join another, again for genetic diversity.

 

[iSaidShhh]

Daughters? That's interesting. What do they do, gather a bunch of young women (with chaperones) and introduce them to men from another community? Do they do pen pal correspondence? Our ancestors certainly did a lot of that.

I don't want to derail the thread, so I'll hush after this, but -

Spoiler: Sperging about The Humble Folk

No, from what I understand, the girls effectively get relocated to another community (in this case, Ohio or Pennsylvania, so several states away from home) and their home community brings in girls from somewhere else. It would almost seem respectable, since the idea is presumably to reduce the health risks of inbreeding, but the girls have absolutely no agency or choice. And really, god knows what they're bringing into that new community, from both a genetic standpoint and communicable/sexually transmitted diseases (Stefan voice: Amish communities have EVERYTHING. Forced marriages, child labor, tax evasion, animal abuse, young children with both communicable AND venereal diseases, puppy mills!).

The boys usually only leave the community if they're forced out or choose to become English.

Again, this is all just personal experience (like I said above, friends with young Mennonites + farm experience with a lot of Amish families), but I would be super interested in seeing legitimate documentation of inbreeding-related birth defects in insular Amish communities. They almost exclusively perform home births, though, so there's no chance of that happening any time soon.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

I don't want to derail the thread, so I'll hush after this, but -

Spoiler: Sperging about The Humble Folk

No, from what I understand, the girls effectively get relocated to another community (in this case, Ohio or Pennsylvania, so several states away from home) and their home community brings in girls from somewhere else. It would almost seem respectable, since the idea is presumably to reduce the health risks of inbreeding, but the girls have absolutely no agency or choice. And really, god knows what they're bringing into that new community, from both a genetic standpoint and communicable/sexually transmitted diseases (Stefan voice: Amish communities have EVERYTHING. Forced marriages, child labor, tax evasion, animal abuse, young children with both communicable AND venereal diseases, puppy mills!).

The boys usually only leave the community if they're forced out or choose to become English.

Again, this is all just personal experience (like I said above, friends with young Mennonites + farm experience with a lot of Amish families), but I would be super interested in seeing legitimate documentation of inbreeding-related birth defects in insular Amish communities. They almost exclusively perform home births, though, so there's no chance of that happening any time soon.

It’s actually pretty well documented in the areas because there have been some rare genetic conditions crop up: 60 minutes did a feature on it.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/genetic-disorders-hit-amish-hard/

But if you want hard data the NIH has a whole database

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3077314/

They may be born at home but once the serious medical conditions appear they do take their kids to doctors and hospitals. Some of these conditions are pretty horrific. They still have Tay-Sach cases ffs. (Compare that to the Jews who also had a big problem with tay Sachs but committed to rigorous genetic screenings to eradicate it. They even made “do you have any Jewish ancestry” a standard question for all prenatal screenings in the USA just to be sure everyone at risk gets screened for it. As a result it’s almost been eradicated.)

 

[booklover]

Now that I think about it, sending the girls away and keeping the boys at home makes sense among the Amish, because the boys are there to take over the family farm.

Oh, yeah, when I lived in the area with the large Amish population, most of the puppy mills that were busted in the area were run by them, and I'll never forget the man who was arrested for AND CONVICTED OF child molestation. He probably didn't last 30 minutes in prison. Like I said earlier in this thread, just under the surface, they're really no different from "us". Also like I said earlier, most of their babies are delivered at home by lay Amish midwives, but they really know when they're in over their heads and need to call an ambulance, often with a solar-charged burner phone.

 

[Allo Vera]

Now that I think about it, sending the girls away and keeping the boys at home makes sense among the Amish, because the boys are there to take over the family farm.

Exactly that. Women have less value. They’re chattels. It’s always the women who are traded and sent away.

In India, where decades of female foeticide* has skewed male/female ratios so badly, men can’t find wives because there aren’t enough women to go around. Women are routinely forced into arranged marriages thousands of miles away, where they share no language or culture in common with their husband, his family, and the local people. Not to mention the women who are forced to “service” their husband’s brothers because they don’t have wives either.

*It’s not always foeticide either. Sometimes baby girls are killed at birth. Some are neglected until they die, usually before the age of five.

 

[MysticMisty]

I once read that some girls in India are being named variations of the Hindu word for "unwanted". You might as well be named "Garbage" or "Trash" at that point.

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

It’s actually pretty well documented in the areas because there have been some rare genetic conditions crop up: 60 minutes did a feature on it.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/genetic-disorders-hit-amish-hard/

But if you want hard data the NIH has a whole database

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3077314/

They may be born at home but once the serious medical conditions appear they do take their kids to doctors and hospitals. Some of these conditions are pretty horrific. They still have Tay-Sach cases ffs. (Compare that to the Jews who also had a big problem with tay Sachs but committed to rigorous genetic screenings to eradicate it. They even made “do you have any Jewish ancestry” a standard question for all prenatal screenings in the USA just to be sure everyone at risk gets screened for it. As a result it’s almost been eradicated.)

Jews are also disproportionately represented among geneticists, so we know way more about their health conditions than other closely related ethnic groups.

Yeah, the situation in India is really dumb. You don’t want daughters, but you want other people to have daughters so your son will have a wife. Then you have these awful dowry deaths.

 

[Peaches Demure]

Jews are also disproportionately represented among geneticists, so we know way more about their health conditions than other closely related ethnic groups.

Yeah, the situation in India is really dumb. You don’t want daughters, but you want other people to have daughters so your son will have a wife. Then you have these awful dowry deaths.

There is a similar situation in China. During the one-child policy years, every couple wanted their one child to be a son, so daughters were either routinely aborted or abandoned shortly after birth. Because there are now 124 (I believe; don't quote me on this) males for every 100 females in the 16-34 age bracket, plenty of families have ended up importing wives from poor neighboring countries such as Thailand and Nepal for their sons, which means a sizable chunk the next generation of Chinese children will not be ethnically Chinese.

 

[Dwarf troll]

Lola looks dead and greenish
Just thought I'd mention it