California Governor Gavin Newsom Bans Sale Of Gas-Powered Cars In State By 2035 - I'm sure poor people will be able to afford electric cars by then.

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I'm sure people won't just buy their cars in the surrounding states and drive back to California.

Also, Teslas should be cheap enough for poor people in 15 years.

“We need bold action,” said California Governor Gavin Newsom on Wednesday. Shortly before that statement, Newsom lived up to those words by issuing an executive order mandating that all new passenger vehicles sold in the state to be zero-emission by 2035.

The governor said bluntly, “CA is phasing out the internal combustion engine. By 2035 every new car sold in CA will be an emission free vehicle.”

“Of all the simultaneous crises that we face,” Newsom announced, “the biggest is the climate crisis.” His goal, he said, was to “detoxify the economy.”

By 2045, the governor announced, trucks would need to adhere to the standards, as well. But a later statement from Newsom’s office said medium- and heavy-duty vehicles would be required to transition “where feasible.”

“You can still keep your internal combustion cars,” said the governor. “You can still trade them, sell them. We are not taking them away.”

“This is the most impactful step our state can take to fight climate change,” Newsom continued. “For too many decades, we have allowed cars to pollute the air that our children and families breathe. You deserve to have a car that doesn’t give your kids asthma. Our cars shouldn’t make wildfires worse – and create more days filled with smoky air. Cars shouldn’t melt glaciers or raise sea levels threatening our cherished beaches and coastlines.”

In a statement, the governor’s office maintained that the transition “would achieve more than a 35 percent reduction in greenhouse gas emissions and an 80 percent improvement in oxides of nitrogen emissions from cars statewide.”

He said the transportation sector in CA represents more than 50% of its emissions. In terms of reducing emissions overall, Newsom maintained, “We can’t get there unless we accelerate our actions in the transportation sector.”

“We will move forward to green our fleet here in the state,” he said.

Currently California has 34 manufacturers of eclectic vehicles, reported the governor. The state’s second largest export, said Newsom, is electric vehicles. “This is an economic opportunity,” he said. He also insisted that the mandate was for zero-emission vehicles, and was not specific to all-electric vehicles.

Newsom’s power to issue the executive order comes via his stewardship of the California Air Resources Board. When asked why he didn’t seek legislative action instead, Newsom said, “This moment demands leadership. It demands movement.”

“This is the next big global industry,” declared Newsom, “and California wants to dominate it.”

Coincidentally — or maybe not coincidentally — Tesla founder Elon Musk on Tuesday shared a photo of the company’s new all-electric semi.

“Bill Ford gets it,” said of the Ford Motor Company scion. “Honda, Volvo, BMW get it.” He said those companies are investing billions and billions of dollars in meeting the Obama-era emissions standard, despite the fact that President Trump rolled it back.

He also highlighted the fact that Volkswagen had on Wednesday introduced its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4, which VW says is an “SUV that’s meant to bring electric vehicles to the mainstream.”

The governor said the state would incentivize adoption of the vehicles “through credits…through rebates.”

Newsom said he was also looking to inaugurate “a just transition” for the state’s many petroleum-producing companies. He said fracking in California would be phased out, but hinted there would be help for local businesses in that sector.

On September 8, Newsom spoke strongly about climate change and the need for action.

“Extreme fire events that we believe are climate-induced,” said the governor, require stronger commitments from state, local and federal governments.

When challenged on the cause of the fires, Newsom ticked off a list of extraordinary climate-related factors coming together this year including, “unprecedented temperatures, a heat dome, 14,000 lightning strikes over a 24-hour period and 150 million-plus dead trees related to a multi-year drought.”

He added: “I have no patience for climate-change deniers. It’s inconsistent with the reality on the ground, the facts.”

At that time the state had seen a record 2.6 million acres burned by wildfires. As Newsom made his announcement on Tuesday, that number had grown to 3.7 million acres.

Newsom previously spoke directly to President Donald Trump at a joint appearance about his environmental concerns. The president then dismissed comments by scientists about the need for action.

 

[Not Really Here]

That I can agree with, but that's not a fault of electric cars, that's the fault of half a century of gross mismanagement to the point of criminal negligence. Using the state that brought us PG&E and Enron as an example is unfair to the electricity industry.

The poor battery capacity is the reason electric cars never took off.
You can't beat the energy density of gasoline with any currently mass produced batteries.

 

[Tactical Wizard]

by this point i've decided that if i haven't escaped newsom and this state by 2030 i may as well pack it in

Yeah, I’ve noticed that just over the state line in Nevada, rent and gas drop by 25% and 33% respectively.

 

[neverendingmidi]

Poor people don't buy new cars anyways (and if they do they deserve to stay poor). And hopefully by 2035 used electric cars are a thing.

The A&H reflexive autism about "quiet car bad" is pretty funny though.

Except by the time it’s used you’ll have to replace the batteries, which will cost more than the car is worth. There’s a reason nobody buys electric cars except the idiot rich. Anybody with sense leases them and hands the keys back to the dealer to eat the cost of changing the batteries.

 

[It's HK-47]

The state that's consistently plagued with rolling blackouts thinks it's a brilliant plan to pass a resolution to use even more electricity in the coming years. The "green" energy you have right now can't even consistently keep the lights on and you think that it's going to be able to support a fleet of millions of cars in fifteen years?

 

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The poor battery capacity is the reason electric cars never took off.
You can't beat the energy density of gasoline with any currently mass produced batteries.

A lot of fuss is made about this but it's dramatically overblown because people are looking for reasons to shit talk electrics. Electric cars are pushing 600, 700, 800km ranges now. If you can drive 800km without needing to stretch your legs, eat, and shit; more power to you, but I think that's silly.

 

[Quijibo69]

Very optimistic of him, thinking that by 2035 there's still gonna be people living in California.

Slave labor camps have to go somewhere.

 

[frozenrunner]

Fun fact, Mountain Pass mine is the only quasi-operational REE mine in the US and is in California.

The person who discovers how to harness the REEEEEEE mine that is Kiwifarms will win a Nobel Prize.

 

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The state that's consistently plagued with rolling blackouts thinks it's a brilliant plan to pass a resolution to use even more electricity in the coming years. The "green" energy you have right now can't even consistently keep the lights on and you think that it's going to be able to support a fleet of millions of cars in fifteen years?

California will use more energy regardless because energy use only grows, it's basically a rule of industrial civilization. The problem isn't more electric cars, the problem is their horrifically terrible grid. They love to talk about how California would be a G8 nation if it was independent, but they have a Somalia tier grid.

 

[NOT Sword Fighter Super]

It's time to bring back dueling as a valid and legal way of settling political disputes.

In what world is a bicycle possibly more convenient then any form of car? I'd rather spend the hour to warm up the boiler on a fucking steam powered car than be caught dead on a bike.

You should ask Maddox.
He's a "cycling" enthusiast/supremacist.

 

[Salubrious]

In what world is a bicycle possibly more convenient then any form of car? I'd rather spend the hour to warm up the boiler on a fucking steam powered car than be caught dead on a bike.

In New York City for example, a lot of people ride bikes because it's faster to get through gridlock/heavy traffic areas, especially over short distances.

People often ride bikes when their licenses are suspended for DUIs. I see them riding around my neighborhood, and it's obvious they aren't fitness enthusists.

If you literally cannot afford to buy a car, biking is the only alternative. I'm sure Newsom will fuck up public transportation by then as well.

 

[northstar747]

Eh they will lose out on so much tax revenue all those dealership will lobby so hard

 

[neverendingmidi]

A lot of fuss is made about this but it's dramatically overblown because people are looking for reasons to shit talk electrics. Electric cars are pushing 600, 700, 800km ranges now. If you can drive 800km without needing to stretch your legs, eat, and shit; more power to you, but I think that's silly.

800km= 500 miles. Assuming perfect level road. Assuming you aren’t wasting the battery on heat/air conditioning/radio.

Yeah my car only makes about 300 miles on one tank of gas, but it also only takes me about 10 minutes to refill. Batteries take how long?

 

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In New York City for example, a lot of people ride bikes because it's faster to get through gridlock/heavy traffic areas, especially over short distances.

People often ride bikes when their licenses are suspended for DUIs. I see them riding around my neighborhood, and it's obvious they aren't fitness enthusists.

If you literally cannot afford to buy a car, biking is the only alternative. I'm sure Newsom will fuck up public transportation by then as well.

Yeah well if you want to live in a hive city to begin with I'm sure you're fine with being packed like sardines on some cuckpod driverless bus. Suburbia and rural areas are the only thing that matters for cars.

 

[Red Hood]

IIRC doesn't building a new car generate more pollution and emissions than most will put out being driven in a year?

Can you imagine being someone who only goes a few miles a day that an electric car is more than sufficient for?

In California especially: pretty much the entire middle class commutes by their own car.

In what world is a bicycle possibly more convenient then any form of car? I'd rather spend the hour to warm up the boiler on a fucking steam powered car than be caught dead on a bike.

Bicycles are not more convenient than a car when you have a lengthy daily commute in a state with regular high temperatures and smog.

 

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800km= 500 miles. Assuming perfect level road. Assuming you aren’t wasting the battery on heat/air conditioning/radio.

Yeah my car only makes about 300 miles on one tank of gas, but it also only takes me about 10 minutes to refill. Batteries take how long?

Depends how much you need to fill, but charge rates are getting quite decent. 10 minutes will get you another hundred miles or so. A full charge from flat will take hours still. Whether this is a good tradeoff depends entirely on your driving habits, and for the majority of drivers an electric car works fine. If you drive less than 2-300 miles per day I'd say there's almost no reason to buy a new gas vehicle over an electric. People still seem to think of electric cars as overgrown Priuses, but the technology has advanced rapidly.

 

[Grapefruit Soda]

A lot of fuss is made about this but it's dramatically overblown because people are looking for reasons to shit talk electrics. Electric cars are pushing 600, 700, 800km ranges now. If you can drive 800km without needing to stretch your legs, eat, and shit; more power to you, but I think that's silly.

The risk of your battery dying does not trump the effectiveness of going to any old gas station and filling up rather than waiting to charge. You're burning fossil fuels to charge it, why not just skip the middle man.

 

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Historically California is always ahead of the curve.
I’m sure the CaLiFoRnIa BaD folks will never stop finding things to complain about.
Odd considering California grows all your food and contributes most to the national economy. Balkanization would be fun, sitting back and watching the rest of the country starve

You know California's grid can't even support the current levels of usage WITH massive electricity imports, right? If Nevada turned off the water and power California would be completely fucked. Something something, NCR, Hoover Dam. Electric cars are the future but California's government is absolutely not.

 

[ChikN10der]

This is reaching levels of retardedness that shouldn't be possible.

 

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The risk of your battery dying does not trump the effectiveness of going to any old gas station and filling up rather than waiting to charge. You're burning fossil fuels to charge it, why not just skip the middle man.

1. There is no risk of batteries magically deciding to go from 40% charged to 0% charge instantly, that's not a thing. Batteries don't just "die", they discharge, and you get a charge gauge that works just like a gas gauge.
2. I live in an area with more hydro than God. Whether you have clean energy to charge with varies from state to state and country to country.
3. Electric cars are unironically better even disregarding the environment entirely. That's what I don't think A&H gets. It's not just hippie shit. Electrics are quieter, faster, and have a lower TCO.

 

[JohnLenin]

Um I think it's about time to eat the rich