Snowflake Chloe Wilkinson / DissociaDID and Nanette Zuniga / Nan / TeamPinata

[Lieileen]

I know I've talked about it before, but I'm gonna again advise that anyone interested in false memory and how people may be led to believe they have MPD/DID to look up the Patricia Burgus case (here's an awesome documentary on it). She went to therapy for postpartum depression and ended up being led to believe that she was the victim of satanic ritual abuse through drugs, hypnosis, and other tactics. They even got her kids convinced. She ended up winning a $10 million lawsuit, but that doesn't truly make up for the years lost to this whole charade.

This form of DID is called iatrogenic, meaning that its origin is caused by a healthcare provider. It's really important to note that people who often speak out against SRA and repressed memory therapy can receive A LOT of hateful messages. Dr. Loftus (False memory specialist) talks about having armed guards at her speeches. They're hyper defensive. Also, most of these cases have high elements of fantasy, supernatural, and things that are literally impossible. Despite all the evidence (or, rather, lack thereof) these people will uphold these beliefs for years, decades even.

Here's a good lecture on Iatrogenic DID.

I just went through versions of the SDQ-20 and DES with someone with BPD. They don’t have DID, but scored well above the threshold on both.

I don’t know enough about the SCID-D to know how the interview might go but these things are so general and vague that it’s not beyond the realm of possibility that a bit of pushing could get a patient over the line to scoring for DID or DDOS.

So what if you don’t remember your trauma? You’ve been diagnosed by a professional!

 

[comrade666]

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ETA: this is about Nan’s old sneezing fetish YouTube channel that Sam helped run

Archived AMA.

That to me is what makes me think they're not a pedophile because it was never about involving kids in their fetish it was about involving everybody.

The majority of individuals who are attracted to children are not exclusively attracted to children. Pedophiles use the term 'age of attraction' or 'aoa' when discussing their sexual preferences. This age range can vary, but the majority of pedophiles have an upper age limit well within what we might consider a 'normal' range. You may see 0-40, 5-25, 7-50, 2-60, 0-100, and so on. Anyone who has spent any amount of time attempting to eliminate the online pedophile problem will be familiar with this phenomenon. Pedophilia is on a spectrum and that is without delving into the definitions of nepiophiles, hebephiles, ephebophiles, and so on. It is far easier to identify each as a pedophile, though they will insist that pedophilia is limited to a particular age group - defining them all as pedophiles comes with the additional bonus of irritating them. Regardless, it is incredibly rare to find an 'exclusive' pedophile, that is to say, an individual who is exclusively attracted to children with no adult attraction at all.

That Nan was interested in involving, and I quote, everybody, in her fetish does not eliminate the possibility that she is a pedophile. Quite the opposite. Her attraction to adults does not mean she is incapable of harbouring an attraction to children. That she was also interested in including children in her fetish does not bode particularly well.

As for the sperging over various mental illnesses, it is all irrelevant. Neither Chloe or Nanette are likely to have a genuine case of DID, but speculation on the topic has been done to death in this thread. Perhaps you might take this to Plurals if you insist it is still a discussion worth having.

 

[Nocturnal Brainbow Damage]

It’s technically new information, but it’s also so obvious that most of us probably already assumed.

ETA:
Updated archive of the AMA

 

[SaidTheSpider]

there’s some interesting Sybil documentaries on YouTube. I was watching one about the advancement of DID research since the Sybil thing started.
The TL;DR of it was that people with DID have an exaggerated experience with the whole “being different people in different contexts” thing, something we all do. Eg: being different at work than at a party (One of my friend’s mother’s was an orthopaedic surgeon and was really squeamish when it came to putting on a bandaid plaster). However, normal people have an underlying base personality, so “switching“ is an unconscious activity and accounts for a CEO not being able to follow a recipe because certain skills are attributed to “work personality” but don’t translate into “home personality“. some may describe it as “when I’m at home, I let the real me come out”, but underlying it all, they are the same person and can call on those skills from different contexts if needed.
The DID people, in contrast, are described more aptly as having LESS than a complete personality, so when faced with different contexts, they have no personality to “slide” along, so to speak, making the transitions and “switches“ obvious and abrupt, and because they have no real personality, make up personalities or fail to identify with who they are (hence the name and behaviour shifts).
IDK, but it made me think of this bitch, and how far away she is from an even remotely convincing performance. The only thing I think she has which fits the diagnosis is no personality.
I have a lot of trouble believing that a personality cracks at the point of trauma and that schism can manifest throughout the persons life in episodes of arrested development. Even the journalist who wrote Sybil found the whole “integration” episode a bit side eye.

Speaking of Sybil, I'd like to recommend anyone interested in her case, or DID/MPD fraud in general, to read Sybil Exposed, by Debbie Nathan. (It's available on Library Genesis, and presumably elsewhere.) It's an analysis of essentially the entire personal history of Sybil herself (actually Shirley Mason), the doctor who diagnosed her (Cornelia Wilbur), and the journalist who wrote Sybil (Flora Rheta Schreiber). It's not too dissimilar to the modern cases we're looking at, IMO.

TL;DR, it's bullshit.

Spoiler: Details

It's been a little while since I read the book, so some of the details might be a little off, but this is pretty much how it went.

Shirley and Cornelia were massively codependent (they seemed to almost think of each other as mother and daughter, Cornelia even paid Shirley's rent), with Shirley looking for acknowledgement and something to coast on, and Cornelia looking for a big sensational case to advance her career.

Shirley basically only ever showed symptoms around Cornelia and a few others in the know, and never in public or at all during her childhood. (There's an amusing side bit discussing a town beside an institution for MPD; most patients were well-behaved in town, until one of them trashed a storefront and then told the police that it was alright because she was from the institution and had a mental illness. They didn't punish her, and soon all the patients were regularly making trouble in town.)

After visiting her hometown and finding the extremely thinly-veiled places and people described in the book, Debbie found that some of Shirley's tales of abuse, like being suffocated in the grain crib, were pretty much physically impossible. Other incidents should have been noticed by the neighbors, like Shirley's mother having lesbian orgies and dumping in people's yards like a badly behaved cat, but no one in the town knew anything about it, or indeed, any of Shirley's symptoms.

A lot of what Shirley was documented as describing to Cornelia was exaggerated for Flora's book. For instance, the first appearance of "Peggy". Cornelia's notes said Shirley calmly walked into her appointment, on time and everything, and said that she was an alternate personality of Shirley's, named Peggy. In the book, this was turned into a dramatic mental breakdown where Shirley climbed on furniture and threw herself at the wall.

Quite a lot of the details were manipulated to make the book more exciting. The book was put on hold for years, with Flora complaining of not having a happy ending, and the alters not having much physical description. So eventually, Shirley very theatrically "integrated". After no progress in therapy for over a decade, she suddenly threw herself to the floor, declared "I am the girl who Shirley would like to be. My hair is light and my heart is free", and then all of her symptoms completely vanished.

At the very end of the book, it's revealed that Shirley had pernicious anemia (and Cornelia knew this), likely exacerbated by her family's vegetarianism, which may have accounted for her physical symptoms, such as blacking out or feeling unlike herself. After she was treated for anemia as a child, her symptoms disappeared for a while.

 

[Cheese Dust]

It would appear that today is our girl's birthday. On behalf of all spergs on the farms, a very happy birthday to you Calamity Chloe! May your manipulation of your fans continue to aid you in raking in the dough from your deluded patrons and may you survive any future late night lake swims.

 

[heavycream]

How long do you reckon it will be before Nine Inch Nails and NAMBLA run out of their youtube ad-check and are forced to return?
Christmas is likely to be rough on them unless either of them have managed to find a side hustle they aren't disclosing.
Something tells me Chloe may also be pocketing donations from Nan.

 

[Nancompoop]

It would appear that today is our girl's birthday. On behalf of all spergs on the farms, a very happy birthday to you Calamity Chloe! May your manipulation of your fans continue to aid you in raking in the dough from your deluded patrons and may you survive any future late night lake swims.

one of the more inane things about this fantasy world chloe has built for herself is the selective aging of her personas. do we think "kyle" is also aging up today? how about any of her littles? and on that note, i wonder if she's gotten any gifts from her true and honest stans. do an unboxing and show us, nin!

 

[Nocturnal Brainbow Damage]

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[Lieileen]

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Hmm. Sounds like he’s idolising something he never really had. He’s conscious of the abuse and the crazy shit but is actively trying to belittle it all to hold on to that ideal.

I kinda feel sorry for him.

Get off Reddit Sam. Stop trying to save other people and sort yourself out first bud.

 

[True native]

Hmm. Sounds like he’s idolising something he never really had. He’s conscious of the abuse and the crazy shit but is actively trying to belittle it all to hold on to that ideal.

I kinda feel sorry for him.

Get off Reddit Sam. Stop trying to save other people and sort yourself out first bud.

This is a total tangent, but this reddit thread reminds me of the guy who got sucked in by James saroka and went to live with James and kaitlin on some weird property. He was entirely manipulated by James into giving them all his money and his car while also getting the privilege of long lectures and other abuse. He did an interview on youtube only a few months after leaving escaping, and was still mind-fucked about the whole thing.

these sort of people freak me out, the onisions and James sarokas and Nans of the world. Weird couples, bound in mutual abuse, trying to cult others. Always with e-grifting and horrendous mental health based lies.

*shudder*

 

[Nancompoop]

This is a total tangent, but this reddit thread reminds me of the guy who got sucked in by James saroka and went to live with James and kaitlin on some weird property. He was entirely manipulated by James into giving them all his money and his car while also getting the privilege of long lectures and other abuse. He did an interview on youtube only a few months after leaving escaping, and was still mind-fucked about the whole thing.

these sort of people freak me out, the onisions and James sarokas and Nans of the world. Weird couples, bound in mutual abuse, trying to cult others. Always with e-grifting and horrendous mental health based lies.

*shudder*

interesting analogy. the brainwashing is pretty similar - the major difference between jimmy and nin/nan is that jimmy is in the throes of his mental illness but is claiming that he's cured, while nin&nan are LARPing a disorder that they don't actually have. manipulative scammers really do come in all different forms!

 

[Leeksfordays]

Nans old fetish YouTube has been found

(if that hasn’t already been posted in the 300 pervious pages)

as of sep 24 2020 it has 2 videos and 14 favorites, 129 subs.

ggolddduck

... a collection of vids from... a very...awkward female human being.... who likes beads and colors.... and who loves sneezing...

www.youtube.com

Looks like Nan made this to get off too.

 

[Name I will forget later]

Don’t know if anybody’s posted this in the meantime, but whatever. Chloe made a community post on Youtube. Something about drawing. Might edit to add further explanation later if you’re lazy like me and don’t wanna read it.

edit: it’s basically a scheme to gain patreons without actually doing something

 

[ManManatee]

If anyone wants a TL: DR

Their mental health is still bad and they can't return to making YouTube videos, but want to do something for the community
Based off the idea of Inktober, they want to do DissociaDID Draws, which is a similar idea, but not holiday specific
Event takes place on her Patreon and winning designs will be in a video, turned into merch, and the proceeds from the merch will be donated to the artist's choice of charity
In order to participate, you have to be a member of the Patreon
My favorite part: "prompts can be any theme, excluding religious, holiday, abuse, injury, or death-specific themes" (so really, they can't be ANY theme)
Individual pieces can include these themes, but have to have a trigger warning
Doesn't have to be drawings, can be poetry, sewing, make-up, etc. Just creative mediums
"There is no pressure or expectation to do anything other than what makes you feel safe and comfortable"
Submissions should be posted on Patreon
Gives rundown of tiers

• $1 - Voting on prompts and access to feed
• $5 - Suggest prompts
• $15 - Access to high-quality downloads of Chloe's work
• $30 - Access to videos of Chloe drawing her piece

Note: no other rewards are offered right now because "uwu my mental health bad"
Description of art must include: prompt, color scheme (???), trigger warnings, and description
Normal trigger stuff, but also trigger warn annual holidays, religion and nothing extremely graphic is allowed
"Please be aware that Alters and individuals who are under 18 may view your art, although it is the responsibility of their System/an adult to regulate what they view online"
Triggering content without a warning will be deleted
"Drama stirring', hateful or aggressive comments and posts will be removed"
Because "uwu mental health bad" Chloe won't be able to moderate well, so it's up to the viewer to decide if they want to risk being triggered
Suggestions for $5+ tier are open

 

[incorrigible shit goblin]

At work so can’t screen record, but the word Nan is blacklisted

 

[DIDijustdothat]

Re Chloes YT update, a young viewer has already said they may not be able to afford it but she still encourages them to pay the $1 tier. Wonder how long comments will stay open. I’ve screen shot about 4 different comments telling her to go away.

 

[Hankypanko]

Chloe's going about this so horribly, which isn't shocking, but I'm surprised with how little she tried to veil her intentions. If she gave a toss then perhaps she would have made an attempt to foster a community, make a Discord chat or whatever it's called and have her followers do a silly art thing there for free rather than so blatantly attempting to part the last of her vested idiots from their sheckels. Gain some of that loyalty back and THEN hit the buggers with the Patreon after they've been well-fed with bullshit excuses and buttered up to the eyeballs.


Pls do it in public Chloe, I wanna laugh at your asslickers' spastic artwork

 

[heavycream]

Comment replies thus far Its clear this is all so that she can encourage more people to line her wallet by becoming patrons. Even of they cant draw, afford it, or even care for the event, they're all welcome to give Chloe more money .

Spoiler

Aw look, she's not 'well enough' to post off patreon! Boohoo! Even though chatting and posting videos would expend exactly the same amount of mental energy regardless of the platform.

Other tomfuckery...

Spoiler

Angry comment thread the moment someone calls out her constant shilling:

Chloe's response:

To the surprise of a grand total of ZERO people, Chloe is spending her evening (currently 12:19am) furiously deleting youtube comments:

Some negative comments are appearing few and far between.

Oh, and, the comment posted by @DIDijustdothat is gone. Obviously.

 

[Nocturnal Brainbow Damage]

lol wut

 

[Shitbird420]

She’s not even pretending to be doing this for the “larger” DID community, only HER community.