Snowflake Chloe Wilkinson / DissociaDID and Nanette Zuniga / Nan / TeamPinata

[comrade666]

patients becoming advocates a la Chloe

It amuses me to no end to see most DIDTubers in the UK endorsing the man despite the evidence that has been readily available for years. Even Jess endorses Remy. Of course, she was 'diagnosed' by him too, so to withdraw her endorsement would be damning. I believe she has subtly removed some of her other Tweets offering support, though I may have them archived somewhere. As for why there are more readily available results this may simply be due to the increased interest in the case and increased traffic.

 

[Lieileen]

It amuses me to no end to see most DIDTubers in the UK endorsing the man despite the evidence that has been readily available for years. Even Jess endorses Remy. Of course, she was 'diagnosed' by him too, so to withdraw her endorsement would be damning. I believe she has subtly removed some of her other Tweets offering support, though I may have them archived somewhere. As for why there are more readily available results this may simply be due to the increased interest in the case and increased traffic.

I hit a paywall with a few but essentially every Newspaper story I have read about someone living with DID in the UK features Mr Luc-Rémy in the context of the diagnosed/therapist.

It’s almost as if the condition doesn’t really exist here outside of his remit.

I mean, there are other clinics, like the Two Rivers place in Edinburgh frequent by our friend a few pages back, but none of them seem to media whore quite as much as this dude.

(on a side note, whilst looking up that place the other day, I fell down a fucking huge rabbit hole involving Dunblane conspiracies put forth by apparent Service Users)

 

[incorrigible shit goblin]

Chloe probably heard about DID and SRA and started building her fake story, then realized it was all debunked. She had to stick with what she had so far, but didn’t want to openly proclaim SRA and be called a liar. At the same time, she wanted to pander to those claiming SRA.

Remy Aquamation thinks he’s doing good, and for those rare cases, he is, but he’s also enabling a lot of people.

 

[True native]

I hit a paywall with a few but essentially every Newspaper story I have read about someone living with DID in the UK features Mr Luc-Rémy in the context of the diagnosed/therapist.

It’s almost as if the condition doesn’t really exist here outside of his remit.

I mean, there are other clinics, like the Two Rivers place in Edinburgh frequent by our friend a few pages back, but none of them seem to media whore quite as much as this dude.

(on a side note, whilst looking up that place the other day, I fell down a fucking huge rabbit hole involving Dunblane conspiracies put forth by apparent Service Users)

there’s some interesting Sybil documentaries on YouTube. I was watching one about the advancement of DID research since the Sybil thing started.
The TL;DR of it was that people with DID have an exaggerated experience with the whole “being different people in different contexts” thing, something we all do. Eg: being different at work than at a party (One of my friend’s mother’s was an orthopaedic surgeon and was really squeamish when it came to putting on a bandaid plaster). However, normal people have an underlying base personality, so “switching“ is an unconscious activity and accounts for a CEO not being able to follow a recipe because certain skills are attributed to “work personality” but don’t translate into “home personality“. some may describe it as “when I’m at home, I let the real me come out”, but underlying it all, they are the same person and can call on those skills from different contexts if needed.
The DID people, in contrast, are described more aptly as having LESS than a complete personality, so when faced with different contexts, they have no personality to “slide” along, so to speak, making the transitions and “switches“ obvious and abrupt, and because they have no real personality, make up personalities or fail to identify with who they are (hence the name and behaviour shifts).
IDK, but it made me think of this bitch, and how far away she is from an even remotely convincing performance. The only thing I think she has which fits the diagnosis is no personality.
I have a lot of trouble believing that a personality cracks at the point of trauma and that schism can manifest throughout the persons life in episodes of arrested development. Even the journalist who wrote Sybil found the whole “integration” episode a bit side eye.

 

[comrade666]

Well, here it is. Sam has finally landed on a definitive opinion and that opinion is what we've been saying all along. GG. He also appears to confirm that Chloe is still dating Nan but I would recommend taking that with a pinch of salt.

In other news, Cam Hise has made his social media pages private. He has also changed his profile picture to a cat with some Japanese (?) text I am not weeb enough to translate. In my opinion, he is most likely a deranged fan rather excited by the prospect of some attention, but I've not yet ruled him out as completely irrelevant.

 

[Nocturnal Brainbow Damage]

Well, here it is. Sam has finally landed on a definitive opinion and that opinion is what we've been saying all along. GG. He also appears to confirm that Chloe is still dating Nan but I would recommend taking that with a pinch of salt.

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Nan’s ex needs extensive therapy. I can’t even fathom being his mother and watching him date an obvious malingerer. Yike yike yike

ETA: the rock that the cat is sitting on says “cat”

My man...

 

[comrade666]

Nan’s ex needs extensive therapy. I can’t even fathom being his mother and watching him date an obvious malingerer. Yike yike yike

Sam has a wide range of mental health issues and he happens to look like this, so I imagine his Mother was just relieved someone had taken him off her hands.

ETA: the rock that the cat is sitting on says “cat”

Thanks. I probably should have guessed.

 

[CursedCapsule]

there’s some interesting Sybil documentaries on YouTube. I was watching one about the advancement of DID research since the Sybil thing started.
The TL;DR of it was that people with DID have an exaggerated experience with the whole “being different people in different contexts” thing, something we all do. Eg: being different at work than at a party (One of my friend’s mother’s was an orthopaedic surgeon and was really squeamish when it came to putting on a bandaid plaster). However, normal people have an underlying base personality, so “switching“ is an unconscious activity and accounts for a CEO not being able to follow a recipe because certain skills are attributed to “work personality” but don’t translate into “home personality“. some may describe it as “when I’m at home, I let the real me come out”, but underlying it all, they are the same person and can call on those skills from different contexts if needed.
The DID people, in contrast, are described more aptly as having LESS than a complete personality, so when faced with different contexts, they have no personality to “slide” along, so to speak, making the transitions and “switches“ obvious and abrupt, and because they have no real personality, make up personalities or fail to identify with who they are (hence the name and behaviour shifts).
IDK, but it made me think of this bitch, and how far away she is from an even remotely convincing performance. The only thing I think she has which fits the diagnosis is no personality.
I have a lot of trouble believing that a personality cracks at the point of trauma and that schism can manifest throughout the persons life in episodes of arrested development. Even the journalist who wrote Sybil found the whole “integration” episode a bit side eye.

So DID people are just people with extreme BPD and a lot of imagination to the point they black out sucked into their own fantasies? Interesing. They would be great at larping, that's the only thing they do.

 

[Lieileen]

So DID people are just people with extreme BPD and a lot of imagination to the point they black out sucked into their own fantasies? Interesing. They would be great at larping, that's the only thing they do.

It’s an interesting theory.

I’ve witnessed people with BPD almost become different people as they slide between mood states. An apparently common one being females with BPD adopting a childlike voice and manner in certain situations.

Another one I’ve seen in several people is pretending to be someone else online. The explanation being that it was escapism. To live a life different to their own.

There’s certainly parallels there when you put the context of how DID is formed into the equations.

 

[CursedCapsule]

It’s an interesting theory.

I’ve witnessed people with BPD almost become different people as they slide between mood states. An apparently common one being females with BPD adopting a childlike voice and manner in certain situations.

Another one I’ve seen in several people is pretending to be someone else online. The explanation being that it was escapism. To live a life different to their own.

There’s certainly parallels there when you put the context of how DID is formed into the equations.

Two of the main symptoms of BPD are unstable sense of self and dissociation, aside drastic mood swings. Most people with DID also claim to have "angry alters" etc etc.
It all makes sense

 

[Jumpingintrash]

Two of the main symptoms of BPD are unstable sense of self and dissociation, aside drastic mood swings. Most people with DID also claim to have "angry alters" etc etc.
It all makes sense

One can speculate and sperg all they want, but correlation does not equal causation. I never understood why people try to armchair diagnose on the farms.

 

[CursedCapsule]

One can speculate and sperg all they want, but correlation does not equal causation. I never understood why people try to armchair diagnose on the farms.

No one is armchairing anyone, we're just making points about how two disorders share the same symptoms and while one is viewed off as "I'm a crazy emotionally unstable person who will split on you", the other one is seen as a cool one and like playing The Sims in your head.
Plus Sybil, the Queen Case of DID, was initially diagnosed with hysteria. I wonder what other disorder has a history of being represented as having mental breakdowns and yes, that's again BPD. Dissociation? In both of the disorders. Unstable sense of self? Both disorders. Trauma based? Both disorders. Doing shit you'll regret? Both disorders, one being splitting and the other one being "Oh, THAT alter did THAT, I'm sorry." Mood swings? Don't even get me start on this, most of so called alters of these system claim to be Cool Teenage Boy, Mysterious Boy, Angry Boy, Angry Child, Bubbly Girl, Sad Child, Mommy figure and so on. Chloe has Nina, who has to act bubbly and it's always happy and Jade who's aggressive. They are the moods.
It's not armchairing or playing Dr Aquaman on anyone, it's comparing. Plus,both Chloe (as Nina at the time) and Nan claimed to have BPD and other snowflakes on Youtube that talk about DID also claim to have one alter with BPD. Trisha Paytas herself said she had BPD traits and look at her, you can see a person who claims to love Jesus but also sells porn of herself. I wonder if they're alters.....

 

[Jumpingintrash]

No one is armchairing anyone, we're just making points about how two disorders share the same symptoms and while one is viewed off as "I'm a crazy emotionally unstable person who will split on you", the other one is seen as a cool one and like playing The Sims in your head.
Plus Sybil, the Queen Case of DID, was initially diagnosed with hysteria. I wonder what other disorder has a history of being represented as having mental breakdowns and yes, that's again BPD. Dissociation? In both of the disorders. Unstable sense of self? Both disorders. Trauma based? Both disorders. Doing shit you'll regret? Both disorders, one being splitting and the other one being "Oh, THAT alter did THAT, I'm sorry." Mood swings? Don't even get me start on this, most of so called alters of these system claim to be Cool Teenage Boy, Mysterious Boy, Angry Boy, Angry Child, Bubbly Girl, Sad Child, Mommy figure and so on. Chloe has Nina, who has to act bubbly and it's always happy and Jade who's aggressive. They are the moods.
It's not armchairing or playing Dr Aquaman on anyone, it's comparing. Plus,both Chloe (as Nina at the time) and Nan claimed to have BPD and other snowflakes on Youtube that talk about DID also claim to have one alter with BPD. Trisha Paytas herself said she had BPD traits and look at her, you can see a person who claims to love Jesus but also sells porn of herself. I wonder if they're alters.....

Drawing conclusions based on how you view different mental/personality disorders, munchie or not, is absolutely armchairing. I just don't see how it contributes to the thread at all. You're obviously more than welcome to sperg out on here, it just seems senseless to me. Like driving drunk in circles on a dune buggy. It doesn't bring any new information to the situation. If it scratches an itch for you personally, that's fine. It just comes across as completely exceptional and autistic, almost as much so as self diagnosing. I'll avoid power leveling, but you might want to learn a little bit more about BPD before you make blanket statements like that. Some of them are completely inaccurate which makes it look even more like armchair diagnosing.

 

[incorrigible shit goblin]

No one is armchairing anyone, we're just making points about how two disorders share the same symptoms and while one is viewed off as "I'm a crazy emotionally unstable person who will split on you", the other one is seen as a cool one and like playing The Sims in your head.
Plus Sybil, the Queen Case of DID, was initially diagnosed with hysteria. I wonder what other disorder has a history of being represented as having mental breakdowns and yes, that's again BPD. Dissociation? In both of the disorders. Unstable sense of self? Both disorders. Trauma based? Both disorders. Doing shit you'll regret? Both disorders, one being splitting and the other one being "Oh, THAT alter did THAT, I'm sorry." Mood swings? Don't even get me start on this, most of so called alters of these system claim to be Cool Teenage Boy, Mysterious Boy, Angry Boy, Angry Child, Bubbly Girl, Sad Child, Mommy figure and so on. Chloe has Nina, who has to act bubbly and it's always happy and Jade who's aggressive. They are the moods.
It's not armchairing or playing Dr Aquaman on anyone, it's comparing. Plus,both Chloe (as Nina at the time) and Nan claimed to have BPD and other snowflakes on Youtube that talk about DID also claim to have one alter with BPD. Trisha Paytas herself said she had BPD traits and look at her, you can see a person who claims to love Jesus but also sells porn of herself. I wonder if they're alters.....

BPD also contains a lot of components that DID does not contain, particularly the interpersonal relationship aspects, impulsivity, black and white thinking, etc. At the same time, there is no doubt a correlation between the two on the identity, dissociation, trauma aspect of it, however, there are correlations between plenty of disorders, particularly the various disorders associated with trauma. Hell, BPD shares symptoms with psychotic disorders and they can even be mistaken for each other. Plus, treatment for BPD does not always work for those with a dissociative disorder. There are reasons to keep the two diagnoses separate.

It's not that you're wrong, this is an existing theory but I think we'll have to wait for the DSM 6 to see where professionals go with it.

 

[CursedCapsule]

BPD also contains a lot of components that DID does not contain, particularly the interpersonal relationship aspects, impulsivity, black and white thinking, etc. At the same time, there is no doubt a correlation between the two on the identity, dissociation, trauma aspect of it, however, there are correlations between plenty of disorders, particularly the various disorders associated with trauma. Hell, BPD shares symptoms with psychotic disorders and they can even be mistaken for each other. Plus, treatment for BPD does not always work for those with a dissociative disorder. There are reasons to keep the two diagnoses separate.

It's not that you're wrong, this is an existing theory but I think we'll have to wait for the DSM 6 to see where professionals go with it.

Yes, but my point was that there are many dissociative disorder, such a dissociative fugue, DPDR and so on and while they're purely dissociative, Dissociative Identity Disorder acts kinda the same way as BPD does. Obviously is a theory of mine based on stuff sharing symptoms and the post that Foisgrasmcdonalds made and I don't want to be the voice of truth but this rings many bells in my head.
The black and white thinking could also be associated at alters hating or loving one person, in stuff like, idk, a protector could be angry at a person for making the host suffer, thus leading to the splitting. In many videos of DID snowflakes you can see stuff like breaking up with partners but not really wanting to because the-fuck-what personality didn't want to.
It may be contributing a little to nothing to the thread but again, Chloe as Nina claimed to have BPD and now magically is gone now that she's "Nin" even if she's supposed to be her, Nan said she had it. We're talking about two malingerers but it's strange that many malingereres also claim to have it along with DID. Both of them also tried to kill themselves and then Chloe brushed it off, claiming that Kyle saved her but in the end she wanted that sweet cop attention. I saw many people calling them Narcs or, in the case of Nan, munchies, but let's not forget that they admitted themselves they had BPD and I think that's not a point that should be ignored when discussing their behaviour or stuff they post.

 

[Nocturnal Brainbow Damage]

ETA: this is about Nan’s old sneezing fetish YouTube channel that Sam helped run

 

[incorrigible shit goblin]

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There is actually a distinct overlap between exhibitionism (as well as other paraphilia) and pedophilia. Risk factors for this behavior do include a lack of boundaries overall, something Nan 100% demonstrates, however, Sam is correct to say that BPD also blurs the boundaries of what's acceptable to share. I don't think it's possible to conclusive decide if Nan's actually sexually attracted to children or for some reason sees simulated child porn and including their audience on their kink as 'okay'. It very much feels that Nan, regardless of if they actually are a pedophile, put their own sexual gratification above what is morally and ethical acceptable. Essentially, they didn't give a shit so long as they got their rocks off.

NSVRC Risk factors annotated bibliography
USCCB Pedophilia Profile

 

[Lieileen]

BPD also contains a lot of components that DID does not contain, particularly the interpersonal relationship aspects, impulsivity, black and white thinking, etc. At the same time, there is no doubt a correlation between the two on the identity, dissociation, trauma aspect of it, however, there are correlations between plenty of disorders, particularly the various disorders associated with trauma. Hell, BPD shares symptoms with psychotic disorders and they can even be mistaken for each other. Plus, treatment for BPD does not always work for those with a dissociative disorder. There are reasons to keep the two diagnoses separate.

It's not that you're wrong, this is an existing theory but I think we'll have to wait for the DSM 6 to see where professionals go with it.

Not disagreeing with that at all. BPD manifests in several different ways as well as overlapping with other diagnoses, to the point where, in the UK at least, there is some shift toward not making a distinction at all between it and other PDs.

The NHS has made a shift toward group-based therapy where it’s even offered and from what I know of DBT and MBT, they tend to steer patients away from the focusing on the diagnosis and deal only with the effects.

I think that for some patients, that can allow room for uncertainty as to their diagnosis, especially when treatment isn’t helping and could lead to them looking for alternative answers.

My point about the BPD comparisons was that there might well be enough in common for someone vulnerable to start exploring DID and possibly have the gaps (childhood trauma, SRA etc) filled by someone like Colin Ross.

Sam seems to hover between accusing Nan of being a malingerer and having facetious disorder. The narrative on this thread has jumped between the two for both Chloe and Nan.

I might be armchairing the fuck out of it but it’s no worse than speculating over Chloe’s social security status.

Maybe they do actually buy into their own bullshit on some level.

 

[astrothot]

One can speculate and sperg all they want, but correlation does not equal causation. I never understood why people try to armchair diagnose on the farms.

A lot of experts in the field have compared childhood PTSD to BPD, and I think it was Bessel van der Kolk that suggested that BPD and CPTSD are actually one and the same, which would mean that DID is just an extreme and dissociative form of BPD.

 

[incorrigible shit goblin]

Maybe they do actually buy into their own bullshit on some level.

I know I've talked about it before, but I'm gonna again advise that anyone interested in false memory and how people may be led to believe they have MPD/DID to look up the Patricia Burgus case (here's an awesome documentary on it). She went to therapy for postpartum depression and ended up being led to believe that she was the victim of satanic ritual abuse through drugs, hypnosis, and other tactics. They even got her kids convinced. She ended up winning a $10 million lawsuit, but that doesn't truly make up for the years lost to this whole charade.

This form of DID is called iatrogenic, meaning that its origin is caused by a healthcare provider. It's really important to note that people who often speak out against SRA and repressed memory therapy can receive A LOT of hateful messages. Dr. Loftus (False memory specialist) talks about having armed guards at her speeches. They're hyper defensive. Also, most of these cases have high elements of fantasy, supernatural, and things that are literally impossible. Despite all the evidence (or, rather, lack thereof) these people will uphold these beliefs for years, decades even.

Here's a good lecture on Iatrogenic DID.