🐱 “Own the Libs” Is Gradually Morphing Into “Kill the Libs”

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If Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis gets his way, people who merely attend a protest that results in property damage will be prosecuted for felonies. Yelling at someone in a restaurant as part of such a protest will be a criminal offense. And a driver who kills demonstrators with his car will not be liable for their deaths, as long as he is “fleeing for safety from a mob.”

These are just a few of the policies proposed by DeSantis in a package meant to chill dissent and punish those in the streets demanding an end to racist police violence. Republican leaders in the Florida legislature have promised to file the bill in 2021. By introducing it now, DeSantis clearly hopes to rile up Trump’s base in Florida, one of the most crucial swing states, with fears of black-clad cabals rampaging through their gated communities. But the specifics of the proposal are worth close consideration, because it represents a rising consensus among conservative leaders under Donald Trump: A governing ethos that once boiled down to “troll the libs” is steadily escalating toward “kill the libs.”

As my colleague Tom Scocca observed one year ago, Trump was elected as the ultimate expression of a political party more concerned with taunting and obstructing its opposition than with any specific governing agenda. Others have notedthat, for decades, the driving principle behind the Republican project has been the conviction that people of color and their political allies are undeserving of full participation in American democracy. The push to shield those who murder protesters with their cars from criminal or civil liability, which Republican legislators have attempted to do in at least 8 states, is a particularly gruesome offshoot of these two philosophies. It’s also not solving any problematic gap in the legal sphere: Property damage is already a criminal offense; self-defense is already an accepted legal defense for causing others harm. DeSantis and his peers are simply trying to create space within the law—or the perception of it—for their political supporters to kill their political opponents.

A few years ago, after Black Lives Matter demonstrators staged protests on highways and demonstrators blocked roads at Standing Rock, Republicans around the country proposed protections for people who drove their cars through crowds of protesters. James Alex Fields Jr., who killed Heather Heyer at a Charlottesville Unite the Right rally in 2017, may have been emboldened by these bills: According to a civil suit, before Fields drove his car into a crowd of demonstrators, one of the rally’s organizers falsely claimed that “driving over protesters blocking roadways isn’t an offense,” pointing to states that had considered such bills.

This hideous tactic of suppressing political dissent is spreading. This year, in the months since protests first erupted around the country after Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin killed George Floyd in May, two people have been killed by drivers who drove their cars through demonstrations. Dozens more have been hit. At one June protest in Memphis, two separate drivers, both of whom appear to have exhibited animosity toward protesters on social media, hit demonstrators within the span of one hour. The Sioux Rapids, Iowa, police chief called protesters “road bumps.” The Auxvasse, Missouri, police chief posted on Facebook, of protesters blocking roads, “You deserve to be run over. That will help cleanup [sic] the gene pool.”) Officers in severalother states have endorsed using cars to murder protesters.

Instead of taking action to quell this type of violence at protests, Trump and his supporters are attempting to incite more violence, and create more victims. After Kyle Rittenhouse, a 17-year-old who traveled from his home in Illinois to fight protesters in Kenosha, Wisconsin, killed two demonstrators with a military-style firearm he was not legally permitted to carry, Trump called it an “interesting situation” that looked justifiable. Rittenhouse “was trying to get away from them,” Trump said, of the victims. “[Rittenhouse] would have been—probably would have been killed.” That’s certainly a possibility, but instead, he killed two people.

As more Republicans spoke up about Rittenhouse, the rhetoric they used shifted from simple defense to full-on admiration. Sen. Ron Johnson of Wisconsin said Rittenhouse’s victims were killed because the governor of Wisconsin didn’t accept Trump’s offer to send the National Guard to Kenosha. This lead people to “believe they’ve got to protect their own property and take matters into their own hands.” CNN’s Dana Bash asked him multiple times whether he condemned the shootings. All he’d say was “it’s a tragedy.” Rep. Thomas Massie of Kentucky has actually praised Rittenhouse for his “incredible restraint and presence and situational awareness.” Again, he killed two people.

In the popular conservative imagination, Rittenhouse has become more than just a teen who did something regrettable in the process of defending himself. By killing two protesters at a protest for Black lives, he became a righteous crusader for the Americans who really matter. Fox News host Tucker Carlson said Rittenhouse “had to maintain order when no one else would.” Former Florida attorney general Pam Bondi called him “a little boy out there trying to protect his community” and “mitigate the chaos out there.” Conservative writer Rod Dreher maintains that “Rittenhouse did no wrong”—he was ridding Kenosha of “the enemy of civilization,” the people “vandalizing, burning, and looting.” Trump supporters have called him a “hero” and raised hundreds of thousands of dollars to support his legal defense.

This applause for the killing of the right’s political nemeses is everywhere these days, popping up wherever the GOP can be found. It was there in one of Trump’s first tweets about the George Floyd protests: “When the looting starts, the shooting starts.” It was at the Republican National Convention, which honored Mark and Patricia McCloskey, a random St. Louis couple who earned a moment of fame for threatening protesters with guns, as esteemed representatives of the party. It’s in ads for Republicans like Georgia Sen. Kelly Loeffler, whose recent TV spot suggests she’ll “eliminate the liberal scribes,” and QAnon supporter Marjorie Taylor Greene, who posted a photo of herself brandishing an assault rifle next to images of Reps. Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and Rashida Tlaib. “Squad’s worst nightmare,” it read.

The rhetoric is repulsive. But the GOP’s kill-the-libs ethos is not limited to violent rhetoric. It’s becoming policy. And I don’t just mean DeSantis’ bill—indifference to American death, as long as the Americans dying are liberals, is one of the many horrors we’ve been forced to witness this year. From the very start of the COVID-19 pandemic, Trump has explicitly, shamelessly hastened the deaths of tens of thousands of Americans living in blue states, then smirked as they perished. Every step of the administration’s pandemic response has been undergirded by the assumption that it’s fine for the president’s putative opponents to die. In March, the federal government shorted several blue states on the protective equipment and ventilators they’d requested from the national stockpile (while furnishing GOP-led Florida, which carries the most electoral votes of any swing state, with far more supplies than it needed at the time). One public health expert involved in the White House’s coronavirus task force told Vanity Fair that “the political folks” on the team dismissed the idea of producing a national pandemic response plan once it appeared that the virus “was going to be relegated to Democratic states.” According to a “senior administration official” who spoke to the Washington Post, it took evidence that COVID-19 was killing “our people” in red states and would probably start killing more people in swing states to get Trump to care about stopping the spread of the virus. Trump has also publicly argued against coronavirus-related relief bills because he believesthey’d help blue states more than red states.

These have always been the stakes of politics: When lawmakers block Medicaid expansion, slash funding for affordable housing, bow to police unions, or redistribute wealth from the bottom to the top, they’re expressing their beliefs about who deserves to live and who deserves to die, whose lives matter and whose lives don’t. The pandemic and the national uprising for racial justice are slightly new terrains, but the stakes haven’t changed. The quiet part is just getting louder.

Earlier this month, the president encouraged his supporters to stop counting the people who’ve died in blue states as part of the official U.S. COVID-19 death toll. “If you take the blue states out … we’re really at a very low level,” he said. It was as if their deaths, which resulted from his politicized negligence, were no loss at all.
 
They think it's all fake, & that there's a bunch of wannabe cowboys who will jump at the chance to run people over and then pretend they were "fleeing from the mob" after the fact.

They always think it's fake, anytime you try to criticize the left and tell leftists that there really are crazy lunatics on their side they always go "Who? What are you talking about? Can you cite any specific examples?" as if this shit isn't self evident by this point.

They talk about gaslighting but that's projection because hardcore gaslighting is what the left engages in on a constant basis and that's them playing nice, gaslighting you and treating you as if you're simply misinformed is their nice way of handling it, that's if they don't just get into vicious personal attacks, "incel" "virgin" "basement dweller" "Nazi" etc etc etc etc etc outright.

Instead people are more wound up than ever. You can't reason with these people. The only thing they understand is fear.

At this point I get the creeping feeling that Evo is right. Our generation is going to have to accept fascism and violence to protect ourselves from the barbarians inside our own house.

They 100% can't be reasoned with, it's impossible, by this point the only thing they will understand is violence and fear.

And yes, as insane as it is that things have gotten to this point, it really does seem like fascism and violence is the only thing that can stop it, because the end game of the left is turning America into a third world country, whatever it takes to prevent that is necessary.
 
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They always think it's fake, anytime you try to criticize the left and tell leftists that there are really are crazy lunatics on their side they always go "Who? What are you talking about? Can you cite any specific examples?" as if this shit isn't self evident by this point.

They talk about gaslighting but that's projection because hardcore gaslighting is what the left engages in on a constant basis and that's them playing nice, gaslighting you and treating you as if you're simply misinformed is their nice way of handling it, that's if they don't just get into vicious personal attacks, "incel" "virgin" "basement dweller" "Nazi" etc etc etc etc etc outright.



They 100% can't be reasoned with, it's impossible, by this point the only thing they will understand is violence and fear.

And yes, as insane as it is that things have gotten to this point, it really does seem like fascism and violence is the only thing that can stop it, because the end game of the left is turning America into a third world country, whatever it takes to prevent that is necessary.
Hell, half of them probably don't know they're doing it. The set of information they regularly see is completely different, so to them questions like that are entirely genuine. The echo chamber is so impervious that anyone citing information outside of it might as well be talking about glow-in-the-dark CIA niggers. Sometimes I wonder if "Alternative facts" wasn't just a dumb gaffe, but an attempt to relay this concept.

They literally think this cartoon reflects real life.
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Hell, half of them probably don't know they're doing it. The set of information they regularly see is completely different, so to them questions like that are entirely genuine. The echo chamber is so impervious that anyone citing information outside of it might as well be talking about glow-in-the-dark CIA niggers. Sometimes I wonder if "Alternative facts" wasn't just a dumb gaffe, but an attempt to relay this concept.

They literally think this cartoon reflects real life.

I often wonder how many of them actually believe this shit and how many of them are in full on "fuck everything" scorched Earth mode where the only thing that matters is that the other side loses, not that anything meaningful is gained, they would rather see everything burned to ashes than admit they weren't right about every single fucking thing.

But at any rate these interactions happened around a couple of years ago, before the critical mass of 2020, so you're probably right, these people were so encased in a bubble that they genuinely had no idea what I was talking about.

But now? I feel like there's no playing dumb anymore, it should be clear to everyone what is going on here, but I really don't know because I stopped being able to interact with those people in any way in 2019 and I certainly don't want to interact with them in 2020.
 
I often wonder how many of them actually believe this shit and how many of them are in full on "fuck everything" scorched Earth mode where the only thing that matters is that the other side loses, not that anything meaningful is gained, they would rather see everything burned to ashes than admit they weren't right about every single fucking thing.

But at any rate these interactions happened around a couple of years ago, before the critical mass of 2020, so you're probably right, these people were so encased in a bubble that they genuinely had no idea what I was talking about.

But now? I feel like there's no playing dumb anymore, it should be clear to everyone what is going on here, but I really don't know because I stopped being able to interact with those people in any way in 2019 and I certainly don't want to interact with them in 2020.
At least the "silent majority" has the means to at least try to pierce the bubble this time, unlike back then.
 
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When was the last time a Trump supporter comitted pre meditated murder on a liberal? Like I know you've had nutcases go on shooting sprees, but they just hate people in general and have not singled out people based on ideology

Meanwhile just this month a Trump supporter was ambushed and gunned down specifically because of his ideology, and leftists celebrated it

In 2017 you had another fanatic who targeted a baseball match where GOP members of Congress participated. I doubt he was there for any other reason than to kill republicans
 
They've been at a few protests. The problem with "lifted" trucks is that it allows the person being run over to "roll", limiting the severity of the injuries.

Don't get me wrong, they will not be walking away from the encounter, but they have a better chance of surviving.



Liberals can't do consistency. Best I can tell they are all either Bi-polar or straight up schizophrenic to pinball between the extremes they believe in.



I attempt to. I got to the point about Rittenhouse and bailed.

As for the topic at hand, I had hoped that time would calm people down after the 2016 election.

Instead people are more wound up than ever. You can't reason with these people. The only thing they understand is fear.

At this point I get the creeping feeling that Evo is right. Our generation is going to have to accept fascism and violence to protect ourselves from the barbarians inside our own house.
Fascism legitimizes the left. That and fascism was a solution of its era. What fit then wont fit now.
 
I figure we are at the part of the cycle where "people forgot what actual hard times/fascism" is. These people need to be reminded.
The one problem with pro white movements is its exclusive. The side who can muster the biggest coalition usually wins.

The right can gain a diverse coalition by creating a private and parallel welfare system. The only reason non whites like the left is the free stuff.
This welfare system can be funded by fraud and parasitism.

The game plan is create a war chest. Use war chest to buy politicians. Have bought politicians give jobs to agents. Have agents funnel resources to parallel system. Push to have public welfare banned (cause "less efficient")

Eventually the public system will be vamped dry and collapse. The only system left to dole out gibs will be the privately owned one. Turn the private gibs spigot off and the non whites will revolt. Giving an excuse to suppress them

Problem solved.
 
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Fascism didn’t work the first time. It escalated the situation into WWII and now the Hellbound commies are even stronger.
I gave a basic overview of a plan how to fight back. There are more details then what I gave but thats the gist of it.

How you can try this plan as an individual is fund a war chest any way you can. Then start helping people in need. Ask for political favors in return. Build up from there. Know a black guy who got denied v.a benefits? Help them out with the war chest. Build up a political machine this way.
 
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These lunatics are the reason I got my CFL and started carrying again. Luckily things in my area aren't bad, but you just never know anymore.

Honestly, if the nation was as bad/intolerant as these morons claim it is, none of them would be around to protest/loot/riot/burn down communities/attack Conservatives from ambush like the chicken-shit cowards they are. The Right has the privately owned gun market mostly cornered and has for a long time. If they really wanted to "kill the Libs to own the Libs", there's not much to stand in their way. As others have pointed out, all the actual violence has come from the Left. The Right just wants to go to work, raise their kids, own their guns, go to church (or not), and grill. Most Conservatives have jobs and mortgages. They have families to think about. That's why you don't see as many of them out in the streets to counter the Left whenever a riot starts up. They prefer to live their lives in peace and quiet and counter whatever they don’t like at the polls. But I know a LOT of Conservatives who won't stay quiet forever, and won't hesitate to take a stand when working things out at the polls is no longer viable and it's time to fight for their lives and what they believe in.

I think atricles like this show the Left's rising fear and desperation. I think it's finally dawning on them that, despite their Twatter and Reddit echo chambers, that they actually AREN'T in the majority and most people don't think like they do.
 
Okay, so if this is projection...how are the left planning on killing us all? How would they justify it?
Relying on right-winger politeness and ruleboundness is a winning strategy so far. They can attack, but there isn't a extermination mindset in the right wing yet, so the lefties get away with it. The right still treats things as a series of incidents, not acts in a war.
 
Relying on right-winger politeness and ruleboundness is a winning strategy so far. They can attack, but there isn't a extermination mindset in the right wing yet, so the lefties get away with it. The right still treats things as a series of incidents, not acts in a war.

The current political climate of the Left antagonizing the Right and acting like a bunch of spoiled children who can do whatever they want (including kill anyone who doesn't agree with their politics) reminds me of the words of Admiral Yamamoto following the Pearl Harbor attack: "I fear all we have done is awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve." The giant has been sleeping up until now, but he is starting to awaken.
 
These lunatics are the reason I got my CFL and started carrying again. Luckily things in my area aren't bad, but you just never know anymore.

Honestly, if the nation was as bad/intolerant as these morons claim it is, none of them would be around to protest/loot/riot/burn down communities/attack Conservatives from ambush like the chicken-shit cowards they are. The Right has the privately owned gun market mostly cornered and has for a long time. If they really wanted to "kill the Libs to own the Libs", there's not much to stand in their way. As others have pointed out, all the actual violence has come from the Left. The Right just wants to go to work, raise their kids, own their guns, go to church (or not), and grill. Most Conservatives have jobs and mortgages. They have families to think about. That's why you don't see as many of them out in the streets to counter the Left whenever a riot starts up. They prefer to live their lives in peace and quiet and counter whatever they don’t like at the polls. But I know a LOT of Conservatives who won't stay quiet forever, and won't hesitate to take a stand when working things out at the polls is no longer viable and it's time to fight for their lives and what they believe in.

I think atricles like this show the Left's rising fear and desperation. I think it's finally dawning on them that, despite their Twatter and Reddit echo chambers, that they actually AREN'T in the majority and most people don't think like they do.
What would be needed to defeat the left would be destroy the funding, their communication, and their means of propaganda and indotrination. That would end them quickly
 
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