US First Presidental Debate - Boomerdome 2020

Mr. Skeltal · Sep 30, 2020

SojuDrnkr said:
This moment should get as much play as the "fine people on both sides" thing, but it won't.

When they mentioned Charlottesville, I was like "here we go again." That's their only go-to for "muh racisms," and it's fucking pathetic. One person died. 3 years ago.
When Trump said "fine people on both sides," do they seriously believe he was talking about both the neo-Nazis and ANTIFA? How does that work, are they that retarded? The answer, of course, is an outstanding yes. These far-Left demonstrations in recent months have caused far more deaths and irreversible damage than the faggy alt-Right one.

I rolled my eyes when Charlottesville was brought up again. It's been discussed to death, it's a tired old talking point that needs to be retired. My wife asked " how is that relevant?" when it was brought up.

When I look at "neo-Nazis" or Antifa, I see two very different coalitions/organizations. Far right identitarians are in a loose ideological coalition with white nationalists and racial supremacists. There isn't a single ethos that binds them together aside from "white people are good/better; degeneracy bad". They tend to squabble and purity spiral a lot because of that. That's the best they can muster. At most the "far/alt-right" could be described as an affinity group; very fringe.
Antifa is a fucking brand name at this point. It even has a uniform of sorts in the vein of Portland black-bloc chic. While many Antifa organizations may differ with local goals and positions they do tend to mostly agree on overarching goals and ambitions. Their most important factor is the ability to organize "actions" in their garbled parlence - protests and civil unrest. Unlike the far/alt-right's very loose affinity group, I would class Antifa as a decentralized cell organization in the vein of Al Qaeda or Al Shabaab. There's some semblance of central cohesion in agenda/dogma/scripture but each local chapter can do what it needs to do to further the greater organization's goals.

HumanHive · Sep 30, 2020

To give my completely objective opinion, nobody won. Trump was too aggressive to the point of tripping over a few good points/lines, and Biden should really just be replaced with Harris. He’s too old and is not going to actually be in charge of anything.

Furthermore, I think the entire “two minutes to talk” is stupid. It’s like a twitter post, nothing profound or intelligent is going to be said in such a small amount of time. I think each canidate should be given ten minutes to talk on a particular topic, with a five minute rebuttal; and if you go over time your mic is cut. This isn’t a high school debate, this is about serious issues like the direction of the country. Both sides need more time to make their case, and this tit for tat “well that’s not true” “actually it is true” back and forth should be discouraged.

But that’s not going to happen because neither side actually wants to talk about issues, they just want to mine soundbites.

Secret Asshole · Sep 30, 2020

If Trump has another debate, I'd specifically request the moderator from not butting the fuck in with answers. A moderator's job is to tard wrangle and separate the boxers from each other when it gets too heated. Its NOT to actually fucking throw punches because the other boxer is so brain damaged he has the shakes. It was absolutely fucking pathetic.

Maybe it was better for Wallace to be a stupid fucking faggot because otherwise it would just look like Trump curb stomping a senile Alzheimer's patient. Like fucking seriously, its not the moderator's job to fact check in the middle of a debate and fucking clearly help out one side. That's the other person's job. We forget what real debates are like, you can't fucking fact check in real time. Its up to the DEBATORS to call each other out and make their case. I checked out 20 minutes in and it was OBVIOUS Wallace was holding Biden's hand through the fucking thing.

He had every advantage possible: A cheat sheet, drugged the fuck up, a moderator clearly going to bat for him, a possible listening device and he still looked weak. I'm not sure this will convince anyone, but at least get a moderator that doesn't fucking debate for the other person. You can give Trump shitty questions or hard questions or whatever, but let him deal with it.

Seriously, it was a debate between an asshole and a dementia patient along with his nurse's aid trying to preserve the patient's dignity. It was fucking pathetic. Biden is barely fucking cogent and couldn't even stick to the Supreme Court topic before drifting. Trump was aggressive and loud but everyone knew that already. God, this is what our country is stuck with. We have the biggest income gap between the rich and poor in history, with people so rich that anyone making the median income may as well be an alien from Venus. And nobody cares. Nobody gives a fuck about each other.

A Senile Old Man and a fucktoy. Harris got her job by sucking and fucking her way to the top. Fuck knows how, she is ugly as sin. I guess it was the old 'look out the office door and pick whatever is closest'. She is an incompetent. Trump is an asshole, but he's the only viable choice IMO. I can't vote for a man who had to have a moderator debate for him and save his ass so many times. Even if he had good points, which he didn't. He was fumbling and stumbling with generalities while Wallace did the actual debate for him.

They 100% will try to get out of the debate if there is another one, because it is painfully evident that Biden, with all his advantages, cannot handle it. I'm just disgusted at this whole travesty.

Allanon · Sep 30, 2020

Someone Awful said:
Which poll are you referring to?

This one. The one I referenced earlier tonight:

Allanon said:
This one

It seems to be the only online one I could find, and also appears to be nonbiased because of that. it's attached to some random new jersey news outlet. Compared to all the CNN/MSNBC/etc polls that they took, it's 50/50 or 51/49 in favor of Trump and has been since the debate ended. Maybe because it's an open poll and not hand-picked?

It's now 131 thousand Trump, 124 thousand Biden.

PC78 · Sep 30, 2020

I tuned out most of it but from watching a few minutes I'd say no one won the debate. It did make more strong my dedication to vote third party this year again though. Well I'll be watching the third party debate on October 8th. https://freeandequal.org/2020/09/th...october-8-open-presidential-debate-in-denver/

Feline Supremacist · Sep 30, 2020

NeilBreenLover69 said:
(TDS)

Holy shit the only one having a severe reaction is you. Simping for a dementia patient is hard, I know but it's also pathetic.

Revo · Sep 30, 2020

PetrifiedTom · Sep 30, 2020

Guys i want to know what you think about the debate and who was in the lead. Watching circus at 3 AM in my shithole is too much for me.

Ita Mori · Sep 30, 2020

L50LasPak said:
Something that struck me the most in retrospect is how much like shit both of them looked. Biden looked like he was taxidermied, and Trump looked like a corpse made of plastic bags.

That's old age for ya.

Allanon · Sep 30, 2020

It seems worth saying that the reason people hold others like Biden to a higher standard than Trump isn't because they're bending over backward to lower the bar for Trump so he doesn't trip over it - though if that were the case, that really only speaks volumes for Trump's efficacy, if people are determined to ignore what they'd normally hate just to get the results they love - but because the other candidates are so determined to hold themselves up to a higher standard. Trump boasts hilariously, but most politicians spend all their time whitewashing their tombs, pretending they're above mortal needs and flaws. They don't lie, they never cheat, they've never inhaled. Politicians always try to present themselves as immaculate, to get people to believe them when they lie to their faces. That's why a single scandal or simply catching a politician lying on the campaign trail is enough to sink them. The extreme conservative base that they appeal to - or their bubble of 'trust me, I'm the reincarnation of Abe Lincoln' gets popped the moment it comes out they did the dirty with a prostitute like any other person, and by the by they've done nothing they promised to do. They suddenly become normal people who no one has any reason to trust.

You see that standard from Biden, where he claims Trump talking over him is somehow 'unpresidential' and refers to him as a 'clown' as if being undignified matters. Biden is, by contrast, trying to pretend he's above all that and an immaculate, well put together professional. Thus, people judge Biden by the standard he set for himself. Trump is crass and rude and talks about how he's loves banging hot chicks. That doesn't make him inherently more appealing, but it does mean that the standard he holds himself to is lower. You can't get scandalized he banged a prostitute when he looked you dead in your face five minutes before and said "Yeah, I'd do a whore if she's hot" - If you're voting for or supporting Trump, you're already on board with his flaws. If you can't handle those flaws, you're already not supporting him, and so there's just less to pick at. It's not technically a double standard, because it's a standard the politicians choose to apply willingly to themselves due to tradition/habit.

Feline Supremacist · Sep 30, 2020

James Woods thinks Biden is wearing a wire

https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1311179736253562881

Sleepy Joe Debate edition

https://twitter.com/Apoctoz/status/1311166481552433153

L50LasPak · Sep 30, 2020

NeilBreenLover69 said:
Why should the rules of civil decorum only apply to Democrats?

As a pissed off autocrat with no horse in this race at all, I want to say definitvely that the reason for that ideal is because Democrats act high, mighty, and enlighted when the majority of the time they are sleazy liars just like the Conservatives. This is why the word "Progressive" has become something akin to a slurr in politics, because radicals have just appropriated the term by arbitrarily declaring themselves that way. In my opinion they are no better than those dipshits who call themselves "race realists". Realist? Give me a break.

derpherp2 · Sep 30, 2020

Allanon said:
You see that standard from Biden, where he claims Trump talking over him is somehow 'unpresidential' and refers to him as a 'clown' as if being undignified matters. Biden is, by contrast, trying to pretend he's above all that and an immaculate, well put together professional. Thus, people judge Biden by the standard he set for himself. Trump is crass and rude and talks about how he's loves banging hot chicks. That doesn't make him inherently more appealing, but it does mean that the standard he holds himself to is lower. You can't get scandalized he banged a prostitute when he looked you dead in your face five minutes before and said "Yeah, I'd do a whore if she's hot" - If you're voting for or supporting Trump, you're already on board with his flaws. If you can't handle those flaws, you're already not supporting him, and so there's just less to pick at. It's not technically a double standard, because it's a standard the politicians choose to apply willingly to themselves due to tradition/habit.

In comparison, look at Trump and his reaction to Taxes.
Everyone uses tricks to bypass a lot of the tax bullshittery, he knows it, Biden knows it (he fucking made some of the loopholes ffs), everyone knows it.

Yet Biden couldn't help but try to join in the holier-than-thou bullshit Wallace tried to make.

AnAccount · Sep 30, 2020

Biden should have let trump run his mouth, instead of continuing to try and speak over interruptions.

When someone interrupts you in any heated discussion they're almost certain to say the worst takes, because they aren't thinking about the next words they say.

all continuing to speak over trump did was make it hard to get a lot of his points across intelligibly.

Haramburger · Sep 30, 2020

NeilBreenLover69 said:
Do you really think Trump wasn't rattled when he spent the time thinking up all of those childish nicknames for his opponents?

I think Trump is media-savvy enough to have the sense to bring together a room full of comedy writers to come up with, pick & choose the best zingers to roast folks with. Case in point, Comedy Central's Friar's Club Roast of Donald Trump from 2011.

Astro Galactic Megalul · Sep 30, 2020

"s-s-s-s..." - Joe Biden 2020

Cavendish · Sep 30, 2020

Feline Supremacist said:
I don't have to respect anyone, and that includes you. But when someone runs for the office of President of the United States one thing they must absolutely be able to do is control themselves and Biden can barely fucking function even when he's being streamed worldwide. It's nothing new, Biden went after people on the campaign trail and those are people he's suppose to win over to his side. Yeah Trump can be a bully but America is a bully, it's why we're the sole superpower on earth. Biden can't keep Trump from rattling him, how the fuck is he going to keep Putin, who is a ruthless politician but also highly educated, multilingual and was a highly respected KGB official in the DDR, or Xi, also a highly experienced and shrewd politician who has literal cadres of CCP functionaries keeping him appraised of everything that happens in the US, from bullying him (and the American people, by default)?

He's challenging Trump for the office of President. If he can't control himself during a debate where he has every advantage and resorts to name calling, that shows he's not fit to hold the office of President of the United States.

No offense to you, but...Biden made Trump look like a toddler.

Was Joe hard or soft on crime? Does he respect or disrespect the law? Can he shoot for the courts? There’s a way to communicate these nuances - which Trump failed to do.

Mind, I don’t want Biden or any proponent of the laughably corporate TPP in office. But saying Biden had “no control,” when Trump had to be quieted by the Fox News host, is not an indicator of Biden’s lack of sanity. That’s ”basket of deplorables” level of bad analysis.

Trump’s snout defirmed two minutes in, never taking time to readjust, too withered to tell the best answer to some of Joe’s statements would be to shut the fuck up and let Biden rattle into nothingburger before calling him out. When he actually did that, he actually got ground - which, like much of the momentum he got he got during his presidency, he immediately squandered on some inanity that didn’t mean anything. Drug addicts don’t break down as badly under the spotlight as Trump did with this (near nonexistent) moderation, and anyone using Biden as a deflection for this poor performance is deluding themselves on his craftmanship.

When attempting to demonstrate superiority over an apponent, you don’t spend a quarter of the match arguing with the ref. That’s not a radical sentiment. That’s common sense. Which #45 needs more of if he wants to guarantee more time in the oval office.

Allanon · Sep 30, 2020

Feline Supremacist said:
James Woods thinks Biden is wearing a wire
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Sleepy Joe Debate edition
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If Joe had a wire and did that badly in the debate, that only makes it worse for him, honestly. It means he was being fed lines and he still couldn't stay on topic or answer the questions he was asked.

derpherp2 said:
In comparison, look at Trump and his reaction to Taxes.
Everyone uses tricks to bypass a lot of the tax bullshittery, he knows it, Biden knows it (he fucking made some of the loopholes ffs), everyone knows it.

Yet Biden couldn't help but try to join in the holier-than-thou bullshit Wallace tried to make.

The literal first thing you're told if you look into how to handle a windfall of money that's taxable (lottery, gambling, sports, whatever) is 'here's some tips on how to avoid getting screwed quite so hard on taxes'. It's so far from a secret that people with money do their best to avoid getting hung out to dry on taxes that even people who've never so much as glimpsed wealth will probably know a few rich tricks if they just fantasize enough about winning the jackpot in vegas or their local lottery to look up the process. Nobody cares about it, but politicians pretend people do so that they can act like they're better people by pretending they don't use those tricks.

Cavendish said:
When attempting to demonstrate superiority over an apponent, you don’t spend a quarter of the match arguing with the ref. That’s not a radical sentiment. That’s common sense. Which #45 needs more of if he wants to guarantee more time in the oval office.

Someone should have told that to the ref.

whogoesthere · Sep 30, 2020

Biden won this one in a huge victory. Think about it, did you see him sniff any kids? did you see him grab women and have them look distressed? no, which means they are winning. As long as they keep him from molesting little girls on camera, its a huge win for his camp. All they need to do now is have him complete a sentence and the media machine will carry the rest. People say you are voting for Harris when you vote for Biden, but really you are voting for the media, and less pedo shit on screen is a huge win for them.

Trump should win this election, but he is taking on an entire machine that is hell-bent on punishing him for daring to step outside their framework, so who the fuck knows.

The Last Stand · Sep 30, 2020

JambledUpWords said:
Biden makes Hillary look 1000X better. At least the 2016 debates were mainly between the candidates, unlike 2020 where the moderator was saving Biden’s skin over and over again.

She was better by default.

US First Presidental Debate - Boomerdome 2020

Mr. Skeltal

Bone Poet

HumanHive

Human Behavior is Exceptional Behavior

Secret Asshole

Expert in things that never, ever happened

Allanon

I won't remember to change my avatar back

PC78

Feline Supremacist

Revo

PetrifiedTom

Po_0petrator

Ita Mori

⚜Party With Crooks⚜

Allanon

I won't remember to change my avatar back

Feline Supremacist

L50LasPak

We have all the time in the world.

derpherp2

AnAccount

Haramburger

Gilded Donor II Turbo HD Remix

Astro Galactic Megalul

Bigot Sandwich Connoisseur

Cavendish

Allanon

I won't remember to change my avatar back

whogoesthere

All hail Flat Eric

The Last Stand

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