US First Presidental Debate - Boomerdome 2020

WELCOME TO THE 2020 PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES!!!
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Time: Starts at 6:10-6:30pm to 7:40-8pm PST / 8:10-8:30pm to 9:40-10pm CST / 9:10-9:30pm-10:40-11pm EST

Where to watch:

Location: Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland

Moderator: Chris Wallace, anchor of “Fox News Sunday”


Competitors:

Former Vice President Joe Biden
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President Donald Trump
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Details: The debate will be 90 minutes long and have no commercial breaks. There will be no opening statements, and instead Wallace will dive right in with the first question to Trump. It will be divided into six 15-minute segments that Wallace has chosen. They are:
1) The Trump and Biden records;
2) The Supreme Court;
3) Covid-19;
4) the economy;
5) race and violence in cities;
6) the integrity of the election.

After the debates a poll will be posted on who you think won this first debate. Have lots of fun, keep the commentary fresh as I'm sure we've all heard many of the same lines for months and enjoy the beginning of the end of this presidential election cycle. Just as a reminder, on October 7th there will be a Vice Presidential debate between Kamala Harris and Mike Pence at the University of Utah in Salt Lake City, Utah.
You can view Joe Biden's megathread here, and Donald Trump's megathread here

Previous Democratic debates-
First Democratic debate (two nights)
Second Democratic debate
Third Democratic debate
Fourth Democratic debate
Fifth Democratic debate
Sixth Democratic debate
Seventh Democratic debate
Eighth Democratic debate
Ninth Democratic debate
Tenth Democratic debate
Eleventh Democratic Debate

Democratic primary results-
Super Tuesday
Mini-super Tuesday

Have fun!
 
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Getting tard comed said:
Edit: Also, you know America is way too far gone when nobody seems to care that Biden is looking for equity and not equality. Scary that isn't a big deal anywhere from what I'm seeing.
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Correct. Equality is the ideal of the Constitution. Equity is Communism.

Try finding three people on the street who actually know there's a difference.
 
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A debate in this political climate - where true undecideds are vanishingly small - isn't there to change minds. It's there to energize your own turnout and damage your opponent enough to depress his.

Trump at least knows this and strategizes accordingly.
 
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I'm sorry, that was the biggest fucking bullshit ruling in the history of bullshit rulings, and you fucking well know it.
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How so? Every American citizen has a constitutional right to petition of grievances. If the executive can block people from communication with the executive, that's a blatant violation. Sorry that you don't understand this country's founding principles.
 
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Not Really Here said:
'I hereby rule that Trump's twitter account, that he personally owns and predates his political life, is government property and that Trump can't block people.'
When did the government pay him for seizing his 84 million follower account?
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And even if we accept that as fair, I reject the underlying assumption that a twitter block constitutes an infraction of freedom of speech in any event. See what the secret service says about your "Freedom of Speech" if you try to rush the stage the President is giving a speech from to protest him. And in the case of Twitter, where making a new account to get around a block is literally almost exactly as easy as posting one tweet to bitch about being block? I'm sorry, you're a whiny-ass bitch if you get your fee-fees hurt about drumpf blocking someone on twitter.
 
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Troonos said:
How so? Every American citizen has a constitutional right to petition of grievances. If the executive can block people from communication with the executive, that's a blatant violation. Sorry that you don't understand this country's founding principles.
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It's his personal property.
It's not property of the government.
You have no right to call him on his personal cell phone.
You don't even have the right to call his office in the White House and that IS government property.
 
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Troonos said:
How so? Every American citizen has a constitutional right to petition of grievances. If the executive can block people from communication with the executive, that's a blatant violation. Sorry that you don't understand this country's founding principles.
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Does that mean they recognize Twitter as a public square? Because I don't think Twitter themselves act like it.
A lot of people could, and probably should, sue them with that in mind. Take Stephan Molyneux for one.
 
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RockPaper said:
Correct. Equality is the ideal of the Constitution. Equity is Communism.

Try finding three people on the street who actually know there's a difference.
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They're kind of similar words, like they look similar, and equity can also mean impartiality, so there are synonymous usages...maybe the three people on the street are smarter than you
 
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ChikN10der said:
Lol, so Trump did things, the court said some were unconstitutional so what did he do? Did he ignore the courts or did he follow their rulings?
And if Trump is bad on the second amendment... Have you seen the democrats? Same question on the first amendment...

Calling the press enemies of the people is not against the first amendment you retard, its literally protected by it.
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He's eroding liberty at a slightly slower pace than the Left has. Well, he's totally vindicated, I guess.

It's not a violation of the first amendment, but it's against the spirit of the first amendment, you retard. The media is there to keep the state establishment accountable, and the executive is working to blanket discredit the press in the eyes of the people. This is as much against the spirit of liberty as the executive denouncing a particular religion.
 
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Troonos said:
How so? Every American citizen has a constitutional right to petition of grievances. If the executive can block people from communication with the executive, that's a blatant violation. Sorry that you don't understand this country's founding principles.
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Because a Twitter block is not a Twitter ban.

You wanna call the orange man bad? Knock yourself out. Twitter is full of that, and Trump never did anything about that. Believe it or not, the government doesn't own Twitter, and nobody was banned for calling Trump a meany.
 
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Troonos said:
How so? Every American citizen has a constitutional right to petition of grievances. If the executive can block people from communication with the executive, that's a blatant violation. Sorry that you don't understand this country's founding principles.
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You think Trump reads the "grievances" on his Twitter account?
The country was in fact founded on the ideal that the supreme executive must not block anyone on social media though, that's undisputable. It's right in the 201st amendment.
 
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Troonos said:
First Amendment:
-Freedom of Speech - he blocked people on Twitter and was successfully sued for it as a violation of the public's free speech. He called for the punishment of flag burning, which is constitutionally-protected speech.
-Freedom of Press - from the office of the leader of the executive branch, he labels the media "enemies of the people". He threatened to raise shipping costs for Amazon because they own Washington Post which expressed opinions against him. He pushed to block the merger of AT&T and Time Warner because Time Warner owns CNN, which expressed opinions against him. He threatened to expand libel laws to punish journalists who criticized him.
-Freedom of Religion - He banned migrants from countries because they have a specific religious majority. He called for the closure of US mosques after the Paris terrorist attacks.
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Advocacy for something is not the same thing as legislature. And blocking immigration is not a violation of any of the constitutions, the U.S. is under no obligation to take in rapefugees & suicide bombers. None of these things even begin to violate the First Amendment. If blocking people on Twitter is your best swing then we are splitting hairs.
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Second Amendment:
-He abused his power and issued an executive order to ban bump stocks and seize people's private property if they own one.
-He tweeted support for an AR-15 ban.
-He endorses Red Flag laws that bypass due process (see 5th and 14th amendments) and violate people's gun rights.
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Two endorsements and a single ban. Trump has also advocated for the 2nd amendment, does that count for anything?
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That's only two constitutional amendments. Need I go on, you retarded faggot?
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The only thing you've brought to the table so far is the bump stock ban in light of a mass shooting in Los Vegas. That's one, do you have anything else that isn't just hair-splitting, straw grasping nonsense or empty sabre rattling?
 
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Not Really Here said:
It's his personal property.
It's not property of the government.
You have no right to call him on his personal cell phone.
You don't even have the right to call his office in the White House and that IS government property.
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First, a Twitter account is not your property. Second, Twitter is an open platform that the executive of a nation has chosen to participate in, where any user has a open line to another user. A private citizen is free to block anyone they choose, but the federal government can't selectively choose to hear some subjects and ignore others. He's free to quit the platform if he doesn't want to preserve our right to petition.
 
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Troonos said:
He's eroding liberty at a slightly slower pace than the Left has. Well, he's totally vindicated, I guess.

It's not a violation of the first amendment, but it's against the spirit of the first amendment, you retard. The media is there to keep the state establishment accountable, and the executive is working to blanket discredit the press in the eyes of the people. This is as much against the spirit of liberty as the executive denouncing a particular religion.
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The media is there to make money and push billionaires preferred opinions. It is in no way against the spirit of the first amendment to criticize media. Who's keeping them accountable? You think they can't be wrong?
Also, they literally are the enemy of the people.
 
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but the federal government can't selectively choose to hear some subjects and ignore others.
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Go on. Knock on that door. Demand your meeting. See what happens.

Oh. Wait. Turns out the government can and does choose to hear some citizens and ignore others.

What they can't do is prevent those citizens from speaking, and Trump didn't. Couldn't. Because he doesn't control Twitter.
 
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ChikN10der said:
You think Trump reads the "grievances" on his Twitter account?
The country was in fact founded on the ideal that the supreme executive must not block anyone on social media though, that's undisputable. It's right in the 201st amendment.
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He doesn't have to read them. He simply has to allow them to be communicated.

By your absolutely braindead logic, the country wasn't founded on the ideal that we should be allowed to own handguns or automatic weapons. It's the fundamental values that are important here. They form the structure of our society, and our society evolves according to that structure.
 
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