US First Presidental Debate - Boomerdome 2020

RodgerDodger · Sep 30, 2020

Ineedahero said:
The debate was an eye opener for a lot of people on both sides. It signalled to the true believers that the manufactured politesse that used to frame our politics is a thing of the past, and both sides now see politics as an openly partisan pissing contest with no time for ethics or etiquette - only winning matters. This was already the position of about a third of the nation, but the debate increased that share to two thirds.

What is sad is most people don't realize that that fake effected "politeness" is not our National Norm or a regular element of our history. It's really only post WW2 that it came into being. People act like Trump is some aberration in American Politics or the Presidency. he really isn't. He's just the first time we have seen it in the modern TV era. There are plenty of Presidents just like Trump or substantially worse in our history. We carved a few of their heads into mountains. The US President's that most resemble Biden are the ones History largely forgets. The Trump like ones? Teddy Roosevelt. Andrew Jackson. They tend to stand out in history.

HOMO FOR LIFE · Sep 30, 2020

Okay real talk. Outside of obvious bubble we have going on here, is this debate going to help or harm Trump. I can't tell.

TFT-A9 · Sep 30, 2020

HOMO FOR LIFE said:
Okay real talk. Outside of obvious bubble we have going on here, is this debate going to help or harm Trump. I can't tell.

I don't think it'll appreciably harm or help him, honestly. Maybe a bit more help than harm. I honestly don't think after the past 4 years anyone should have been expecting something vastly different from what occurred, but what I think people would expect and what they seem to actually expect don't always line up.

FunPosting101 · Sep 30, 2020

HOMO FOR LIFE said:
Okay real talk. Outside of obvious bubble we have going on here, is this debate going to help or harm Trump. I can't tell.

It will help him a bit, but not much more than that.

Sulla · Sep 30, 2020

HOMO FOR LIFE said:
Okay real talk. Outside of obvious bubble we have going on here, is this debate going to help or harm Trump. I can't tell.

I don't think it helped trump, but it definitely damaged biden.

frozenrunner · Sep 30, 2020

Grand Wizard Wakka said:
Liberals always think its OK to start shit, but its wrong to retaliate. Why they always defend poor innocent criminals who dindu nuffin but shoot at the cops, and for some reason (definitely racism) the cops fucking shoot back and kill them.

Hitting peoples' cars, dragging them out of them and beating them to death... and some drivers decide to hit accelerate instead of put their head in the guillotine, and... the problem is "those homocidal drivers".

They're allowed to throw the first punch, spit in your face, and do anything... but if you even say a word they don't like, like "he" in reference to someone with a penis, it means you should be arrested and executed.

As I've said before, just like a crazy woman in a volatile relationship. EXACTLY like that.

GuntPunt · Sep 30, 2020

HOMO FOR LIFE said:
Okay real talk. Outside of obvious bubble we have going on here, is this debate going to help or harm Trump. I can't tell.

If you want a 2 hour podcast on why this helps Trump and reaffirm your confirmation bias, you can go here.

If you want 3 different viewpoints:

Dem partisan: Trump ruined the debate with his interruptions! No disavowel of the Proud Boys! Biden 2020!

Trumplican: Look how weak Joe is! Can't even speak properly. Trump 2020.

Nonexistant undecided: lol what is happening? should i even vote?

If you want my view, which is worth less than nothing due to my Trump bias, Trump wins because he got Biden to flipflop on the Green New Deal alienating AOC simps and PA frackers within seconds. Trump still semi fucked up with the Proud Boys thing, but it won't last in people's mind too long, no matter if it trends on Twatter until election day.

If you want a real examination of the debate, look at partisan news shills. They would be jumping for joy for #ExposingTrumpler and being smug about it if Biden won, not screamin "NO MORE DEBATES REEEEE."

It hurt Biden for sure. Trump just riled up his base.

Getting tard comed · Sep 30, 2020

HOMO FOR LIFE said:
Okay real talk. Outside of obvious bubble we have going on here, is this debate going to help or harm Trump. I can't tell.

The debate hurt Biden. It didn't help or hurt Trump.

Biden's whole selling point is bringing back decency and in the first debate he wrestled in the mud with Trump calling him all kinds of names and throwing out personal insults while Trump only insulted him personally once by calling him dumb. Yeah Trump interrupted him, but everyone already knows Trump is a bull in a china shop. You either like that or you don't. It's a terrible look if you're selling point is based on decorum and "bringing back normalcy/decency" and you stoop to the same level as the guy you're calling unpresidential and unfit for the office.

Also, and not enough has been said about this, Trump got Biden to disavow The Green New Deal, and defunding the police. Two policies that are hugely important to far lefties who were already at the "hold your nose and vote anyway" stage going into the debate. Some of them are going to end up saying it's not worth voting for Biden because of this. We'll find out how many.

Ineedahero · Sep 30, 2020

RodgerDodger said:
What is sad is most people don't realize that that fake effected "politeness" is not our National Norm or a regular element of our history. It's really only post WW2 that it came into being. People act like Trump is some aberration in American Politics or the Presidency. he really isn't. He's just the first time we have seen it in the modern TV era. There are plenty of Presidents just like Trump or substantially worse in our history. We carved a few of their heads into mountains. The US President's that most resemble Biden are the ones History largely forgets. The Trump like ones? Teddy Roosevelt. Andrew Jackson. They tend to stand out in history.

The way I see it, it tracks with the rise and fall of the middle class. As much as I enjoy it from an entertainment perspective, I don't think it's a good thing for us plebs.

Iceland Heavy · Sep 30, 2020

HOMO FOR LIFE said:
Okay real talk. Outside of obvious bubble we have going on here, is this debate going to help or harm Trump. I can't tell.

It's a wash for Trump. It's not going to convince anyone who was still undecided on him or already hated him to vote for him. It's about firing up the base at this point and Trump's base doesn't seem particularly discouraged. Time will tell if the progressives already reluctant to ride with Biden get blackpilled from him flip flopping or outright shitting on their positions or they just cope and hold their noses even harder.

XYZpdq · Sep 30, 2020

Yeah I'd say "Trump didn't win, but Biden sure lost". Biden had to deny a few big things, last I saw some of them still on his web site as a core of his campaign. Trump looked like a boorish asshole, so basically exactly the same as he has for the past few decades including the last election he won. Biden denied a few big parts of his platform, showed exactly how to get him pissed for rounds 2 and 3, and that bit about "name one" for the police support was a very solid shot.

Ledian · Sep 30, 2020

ConfederateIrishman said:
Ignoring all the direct politics, does anyone else notice the debate seems to have made a lot of people more on edge?
People seem to be ripping into each other way more violently since last night, I have seen a few outright mental breakdowns, people just generally seem more MOTI, and basicly shit seems slightly more fucked now than yesterday from where I am looking.

I myself thought that it was entertaining and was just final proof for me that Biden isn't the man for the job and that the DNC really needs to get their ducks in a row sometime soon.
Outside that, I have noticed an uptick in people at each others throat online. IRL, most people I know and work with didn't really talk about it outside what they wanted to see in it: Biden was weak, Trump's an asshole, Wallace carried Biden, Trump floundered here and there. It's not a game changing debate but it is one that energized their bases. Looking at it, Trump's became ever more energized after the debate which might be "edge" we're seeing now. Biden's base may have the media on their side but they can't hide his overall performance which was nominally weak and not exactly what many want out of an executive leader and that plays a part as well.
They don't have any positives to latch onto Biden with so instead, it's easier to attack Trump for his performance, leading to the nominal uptick in people getting at one another's throats.

Feline Supremacist · Sep 30, 2020

HOMO FOR LIFE said:
Okay real talk. Outside of obvious bubble we have going on here, is this debate going to help or harm Trump. I can't tell.

It helps. Biden was off and clearly rattled. Your average normie wasn't expecting Biden to start name calling as he's running as someone above that. Admitting his son is a crackhead is going to hurt as it'll be news to many, who'll look him up and come across the Burisma charges. Biden's involved in that as well. So everyone already knows Trump is a loud, pushy New Yorker but it turns out Mr Nice Guy is anything but and graft is the Biden family business.

Freedom Fries · Sep 30, 2020

RandomTwitterGuy said:
I am not American i don't watch American media that is not entertainment and not industry news.
Maybe it is because i grew up in a country where respect, strength and principle is a virtue, but hey have Politicians shit and act like Children it will make the country's better right.

You got to love the idea that some how Republicans and super nice and sweet and not retarded dumb fucks like there counter parts the Democrats.

I forgot My team good, your team bad. Fucking Children both of you.

Am I drunk or is this ESL the post

Getting tard comed · Sep 30, 2020

ConfederateIrishman said:
Ignoring all the direct politics, does anyone else notice the debate seems to have made a lot of people more on edge?
People seem to be ripping into each other way more violently since last night, I have seen a few outright mental breakdowns, people just generally seem more MOTI, and basicly shit seems slightly more fucked now than yesterday from where I am looking.

We are moving from Denial to the Anger Stage of grief for a lot of the electorate because of the showing from Biden.

Spooky Bones · Sep 30, 2020

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HandsomeDan · Sep 30, 2020

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What an odd thing to lie about. I mean he's clearly worn one from time-to-time, but you can find plenty of pictures of him from 2015-2017, prior to this interview, where he isn't wearing the rosary. I don't really think it's all that important, it's just such an odd thing to lie about, unless you're just trying to fish for sympathy because of your dead son.

I swear, it's getting harder and harder to find things that Joe hasn't lied about in the past, because even the small things that people tended to overlook wound up being untrue. This dude is just pervasively, pathologically dishonest.

He is a piece of shit whos profession for the past 50 years has been lying and enriching himself and his offspring at tax payer expense. He also thinks he is a tough guy who gets to intimidate people, thats why Trump busting his balls last night was great to see. You can tell Trump hates him and doesnt respect him. To Trump biden is the same politician type who has never had to produce results or run a business he has been fighting his entire career. I wish biden nothing but the worst.

Spooky Bones · Sep 30, 2020

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What an odd thing to lie about. I mean he's clearly worn one from time-to-time, but you can find plenty of pictures of him from 2015-2017, prior to this interview, where he isn't wearing the rosary. I don't really think it's all that important, it's just such an odd thing to lie about, unless you're just trying to fish for sympathy because of your dead son.

I swear, it's getting harder and harder to find things that Joe hasn't lied about in the past, because even the small things that people tended to overlook wound up being untrue. This dude is just pervasively, pathologically dishonest.

Also, the Rosary, to pious Catholics, isn't meant to be worn around the neck. This is actually offensive to some people as it's not an item of jewelry but rather a tool to prayer. You'd never catch ACB wearing one, I'm sure, for this reason. Joe is another fake Catholic. Probably more Catholic than Nancy, but still. You can't know a man's heart but you can look at his actions.

XYZpdq · Sep 30, 2020

Feline Supremacist said:
It helps. Biden was off and clearly rattled. Your average normie wasn't expecting Biden to start name calling as he's running as someone above that. Admitting his son is a crackhead is going to hurt as it'll be news to many, who'll look him up and come across the Burisma charges. Biden's involved in that as well. So everyone already knows Trump is a loud, pushy New Yorker but it turns out Mr Nice Guy is anything but and graft is the Biden family business.

yeah like the stuff around the SCOTUS pick, it won't make Catholics go "oh fuck he put up a Catholic well, shit, me and all seventy five cousins of mine are on Team Trump now!" but it will probably help to depress turnout among Catholics who might have come out despite Biden's leanings, adding in "FUCK PAPISTS" from the MSM might be enough to push some possible Biden voters away. Local Media Outlet just put out a new ad of "I'm a Catholic and I like Biden so vote Biden" so I suspect they know this is a colossal weakness opening up.

Miang · Sep 30, 2020

HOMO FOR LIFE said:
Okay real talk. Outside of obvious bubble we have going on here, is this debate going to help or harm Trump. I can't tell.

I watched the whole thing, once after an inadvisable amount of vodka and once sober. (Sober is actually the more inadvisable of the two options for what this was.)

Trump came off as rude, aggressive, scornful, and itching for a fight with someone he clearly thinks is an inferior man. Basically, what you know you're getting when Donald Trump walks into the room. When he agrees to a debate, that is an open bar of Trump soundbytes for the entire landscape of media to heap as much moral outrage upon as possible. That's neither to recommend or condemn the man for it: it's just a foregone conclusion, and both his supporters, Biden's supporters, and the undecided all know that, or they've been sleeping under a rock since 2016.

Donald Trump makes that very easy. Look at that infamous video of him talking about Rosie O'Donnell and come back and tell me that's a guy that would suddenly do a 180 and try to talk like he shits marble. Trump is also on record as not only a firm believer in the concept of revenge, but when it comes to political debates (and he told Megyn Kelly this during her 1-on-1 with him in 2016), his strategy when he gets hit is not to defend himself, but to hit back as nastily as possible.

Basically, he's an industrial-strength asshole, and that's as much a selling point for his supporters as it is a rallying point for Biden's. His supporters expect him to "speak his mind" and for the media to take a shit on everything he says, so him acting like a bully in the debates is not going to change their minds. They're still eager to vote for him. I think any time you give Trump a platform to speak, you are actually strengthening him. He has an uncanny ability to grow stronger from attacks, even when they should end and have ended careers far more politically accomplished than his.

No, the problem, as several posters have already beat me to, is the effect this had on Biden.

Joe Biden had a few goals going into this debate. One was to look like the more honest candidate. He did not, because Joe Biden is no more honest about his affairs and dealings than Donald Trump is. Biden also had to look sharp, responsive, and able to think on his feet. He did not, and spent most of his time looking either inflexibly rehearsed or just irritable, because he is quite obviously a man in the winter of his life. (More on that in a second.) Biden also had to look more presidential. Telling your opponent "just shut up, man" is not more presidential than Donald Trump. It is actually as unpresidential as Donald Trump talks. The classic saying about not letting your opponent drag you down to their level is a classic saying for a reason. You cannot let yourself play this game with Donald Trump, because you just come across as trying to one-up Trump at what Trump is arguably most adored by his base for doing: trash talking. Bad idea. Obama, whatever you think of him, is an incandescently gifted speaker who excels at sounding refined and inspirational. Do you think he would he debate Trump that way? (The fact that his former VP is going with a coarser strategy speaks volumes about Obama's investment in his campaign.)

And Biden had a largely unvoiced but perhaps all-important requirement for this debate: he needed to not look, sound, or act too old for the job.

Warren didn't have that problem. Yang didn't have that problem. Harris didn't have that problem. Buttigieg didn't have that problem. Even Bernie - somehow - didn't have that problem. Only Biden has that problem, and he's had it since the outset, and he's never quite been able to shake it. This was his first chance to show that, no, despite all the memes and the Twitter clips and the soundbytes, if elected, he is still a capable statesman and can still lead this nation on the heels of a long and painful year.

I'll let you draw your own conclusions as to how successful he was, but IMO? There are some things no amount of willpower, preparation, or drugs can disguise. He has no business being in this race. He's in it, and has beaten all his Democratic rivals, solely on the strength of a younger, more politically adroit man to whose campaign Biden once had the good fortune to hitch his wagon.

So, I'm going to need more vodka.

US First Presidental Debate - Boomerdome 2020

RodgerDodger

HOMO FOR LIFE

flaunting her autism like a title of nobility

TFT-A9

55 tons of Lyran fun

FunPosting101

Ebin Bosdings only! No ober bosds allowed! : DDDD

Sulla

Speak not the Watchers

frozenrunner

Thanks for the avatar, CrAIyon!

GuntPunt

God's gonna fuck you up and I get to watch.

Getting tard comed

Ineedahero

Iceland Heavy

Formerly Boba's

XYZpdq

fbi most wanted sskealeaton

Ledian

Comet Punch, Mach Punch, Fruit Punch

Feline Supremacist

Freedom Fries

actually a pretty good user

Getting tard comed

Spooky Bones

I am a deceitful person. Be wary of my intentions!

HandsomeDan

Christ is King!

Spooky Bones

I am a deceitful person. Be wary of my intentions!

XYZpdq

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Miang