2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

[MrJokerRager]

I think Biden's "likeability" factor more stems from he's not as bad as Trump, and depending on how things go forward that can slip away with how he jumped into the mudslinging in yesterday's debate by trying to insult Trump. Trump insulting people works since Trump embraces that he's an asshole and isn't ashamed of it which lowered mainstream expectations for how Trump can act in a debate, Biden ran his campaign on bringing decency back and the soul of America back which backfired the moment he called Trump names.

If Biden wants to win he has to keep his calm and not get rattled easily. He has to look back and look at what made Obama a capable speaker. If Biden can keep a calm and composed look which he sticks to from this point forward then he will probably do great in the election since a voter likes someone who is composed and has leadership qualities. His handlers also need to not use twitter talking points for Biden's campaign since twitter is one of the most terrible places for any political discussion.

Biden is probably a worse VP compared to George H.W. Bush. At least George H.W. Bush was competitive with Reagan in the 1980 Republican primaries. Biden apparently got close in 1988 to some extent and dropped out after plagiarism whereas in 2008, nobody knew who he was as he dropped out early after no traction.

Now he is the nominee but with no Obama charisma or oratory skills to make shit work. Obama in 2008 and 2012 to some extent was amazing to listen to. Only reason when I think about it now that Hillary didn't lose more popular votes was because of Obama shilling for her. And we saw it with the DNC ratings where day 3 was the highest rated and then day 4 was worse than day 1 and 2.

I also found this footage, apparently someone posted for the full broadcast of 2016. Maybe and hopefully 2020 is a repeat.

Biden is the best example of a candidate being kept intentionally competitive by the media and it somewhat works. And I have stated in a earlier post, he is more dangerous than Hillary if he actually wins.

 

[CrippleThreat]

If Biden wants to win he has to keep his calm and not get rattled easily. He has to look back and look at what made Obama a capable speaker. If Biden can keep a calm and composed look which he sticks to from this point forward then he will probably do great in the election since a voter likes someone who is composed and has leadership qualities. His handlers also need to not use twitter talking points for Biden's campaign since twitter is one of the most terrible places for any political discussion.

Pal, you're hoping an old man addled by dementia and God knows what else to be calm and not so easily rattled. At Joe's declining stages, without drugs, it's kind of you to hope.

Joe deserves a rest though, win or lose.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Pal, you're hoping an old man addled by dementia and God knows what else to be calm and not so easily rattled. At Joe's declining stages, without drugs, it's kind of you to hope.

Joe deserves a rest, win or lose.

Of course if Joe's handlers can keep Joe composed or calm then it could work, but realistically I don't think that can happen without making it too obvious. Biden's best chance to win is through Trump hate.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

I think Biden's "likeability" factor more stems from he's not as bad as Trump, and depending on how things go forward that can slip away with how he jumped into the mudslinging in yesterday's debate by trying to insult Trump. Trump insulting people works since Trump embraces that he's an asshole and isn't ashamed of it which lowered mainstream expectations for how Trump can act in a debate, Biden ran his campaign on bringing decency back and the soul of America back which backfired the moment he called Trump names.

If Biden wants to win he has to keep his calm and not get rattled easily. He has to look back and look at what made Obama a capable speaker. If Biden can keep a calm and composed look which he sticks to from this point forward then he will probably do great in the election since a voter likes someone who is composed and has leadership qualities. His handlers also need to not use twitter talking points for Biden's campaign since twitter is one of the most terrible places for any political discussion.

A ton of Boomers I know (through my Dad) who are Democrats said all over Facebook today that "Neither side can claim to have Presidential behavior or temperament anymore." An anecdote from my Dad, so take what I'm saying with a grain of salt, but my Dad was what the kids would call "shook" over what he saw some of his friends and acquaintances admit.

Biden flat-out bragging about "beating Bernie" must have absolutely stung for the Bernie Bros, too. When Trump brags about defeating Jeb Bush, its hilarious because pretty much no Republican wanted Jeb aside from the country club Republican losers. When Biden brags about defeating Bernie, it's going to cause a rift with the Democrats. That is most certainly not going to entice the young people to vote, I gotta say.

As I've said all over these forums over the past 24 hours, if Biden had won the debate, then the media's and the left's focus would be on his debate performance and how he "brought hope back to the United States." Instead, we're getting more "Orange Man Bad!" and lefties are acting like the actual apocalypse just happened. The SALT has been flowing today from the left, and I would most definitely say that Trump's camp has no business claiming victory over the debate either. Trump didn't even win the debate himself, and yet the Democrats are the ones acting like the losers today. Interesting, to say the least.

 

[he who has thus come/gone]

Of course if Joe's handlers can keep Joe composed or calm then it could work, but realistically I don't think that can happen without making it too obvious. Biden's best chance to win is through Trump hate.

I think a former Secretary of State who always wanted to be President once said "Love trumps hate." Who was that again? Henry Clay? I can't remember, but I think it's still true.

The SALT has been flowing today from the left, and I would most definitely say that Trump's camp has no business claiming victory over the debate either. Trump didn't even win the debate himself, and yet the Democrats are the ones acting like the losers today. Interesting, to say the least.

Trump is out there proclaiming he won the debates handily. Is Biden? Even if it's a fake narrative (or exaggerated, or whatever) it gives his supporters something to chew on and believe in. He's basically setting a narrative on day 1 after the debate whereas Biden is choo-choo'ing his way across Pennsylvania and the media clutches pearls and discusses whether Biden should do another one or if it even matters. If retarded Dilbert merchant were less personally invested, he might make some intelligent commentary on that.

 

[Cpl. Long Dong Silver]

For all my centrist friends.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

Trump is out there proclaiming he won the debates handily. Is Biden? Even if it's a fake narrative (or exaggerated, or whatever) it gives his supporters something to chew on and believe in. He's basically setting a narrative on day 1 after the debate whereas Biden is choo-choo'ing his way across Pennsylvania and the media clutches pearls and discusses whether Biden should do another one or if it even matters. If retarded Dilbert merchant were less personally invested, he might make some intelligent commentary on that.

Of course Trump is doing that; he's Trump! And he also completely has the fallback of rightfully pointing fingers at Chris Wallace, who deserves most (if not, all) of the blame for how the debate turned out. Nothing gets people rallying behind Trump more than him calling out the mainstream media, lol.

The most amazing and entertaining part of the debate last night, at least for me, was the crystal clear picture of the media and establishment just simply not being able to control Trump. He is out of control, and the establishment has shown that they simply don't know how to handle him, even after all of these years.

It's hilarious.

 

[heyitsmike]

 

[GuntPunt]

Iron Range Crowds:

Im also getting ~300k viewcounts from my end.

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Nate JUST.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

After the debate, what would be the strategy for each candidate to raise their numbers?

I can't say much about Trump, because I don't think he really needs to do anything raise his numbers, but if I were in charge of Biden's campaign, here's what I would do.

Show how seemingly everything has gone crazy ever since Trump became president. It doesn't matter if it's true, or even remotely his fault, just show what's happened. The violence, the anger, the fighting, the destruction, the chaos-show all of it, and then show how "calm" and "stable" things were when Obama was president, and when Biden himself was vice president.

Maybe take Trump's slogan of "Make America Great Again" and put it over the riots, unemployment lines, the wildfires, or fucking hell, George Floyd's death video. And then maybe take Trump's line about telling the Proud Boys "Stand back, and stand by" and put it over footage of that lunatic plowing his car through a crowd in Charlottesville.

It doesn't matter that those things aren't Trump's fault, and how there were riots, police violence, and unemployment under Obama. The people won't care about that. They only care about the now.

Show them all of that, and then show footage of the "good times" under Obama. Maybe put a few of Trump's less "professional" moments next to Obama's more "professional" ones, but make sure that Biden is also in every clip featuring him. Show how "happy" and "civil" and "better" things used to be back then. Act like Ferguson, and Baltimore, and Trayvon never happened. Act like everything was sunshine and rainbows until Trump became president.

And then promise to bring it all back if Biden becomes president.

Promise a return to normalcy. That's Biden's best shot even if it's a total lie. Promise to stop the madness, and to make everything better. Make it how it was before Trump became president. Make America truly great again.

That's what I would do, and it's what Biden should do if he wants to be president. Don't pander to the far-Left who have been devouring his party alive. Pander to the average America who just wants everything to stop. Who just want things to go back to normal.

Of course, it won't if Biden becomes president, but by the time they know that it would hopefully be too late, and Biden would already have won.

 

[BlackDragoons]

Get fucked, smelly, dumb centrist scum.

You aren't some galaxy brained "both sides are dumb" genius. You're a fence sitting faggot.

Edit: I forgot, coward.

Wow, I get called a coward because I actually want change in my country instead of voting for the same two faggots expecting things to change.

 

[MrJokerRager]

I can't say much about Trump, because I don't think he really needs to do anything raise his numbers, but if I were in charge of Biden's campaign, here's what I would do.

Show how seemingly everything has gone crazy ever since Trump became president. It doesn't matter if it's true, or even remotely his fault, just show what's happened. The violence, the anger, the fighting, the destruction, the chaos-show all of it, and then show how "calm" and "stable" things were when Obama was president, and when Biden himself was vice president.

Maybe take Trump's slogan of "Make America Great Again" and put it over the riots, unemployment lines, the wildfires, or fucking hell, George Floyd's death video. And then maybe take Trump's line about telling the Proud Boys "Stand back, and stand by" and put it over footage of that lunatic plowing his car through a crowd in Charlottesville.

It doesn't matter that those things aren't Trump's fault, and how there were riots, police violence, and unemployment under Obama. The people won't care about that. They only care about the now.

Show them all of that, and then show footage of the "good times" under Obama. Maybe put a few of Trump's less "professional" moments next to Obama's more "professional" ones, but make sure that Biden is also in every clip featuring him. Show how "happy" and "civil" and "better" things used to be back then. Act like Ferguson, and Baltimore, and Trayvon never happened. Act like everything was sunshine and rainbows until Trump became president.

And then promise to bring it all back if Biden becomes president.

Promise a return to normalcy. That's Biden's best shot even if it's a total lie. Promise to stop the madness, and to make everything better. Make it how it was before Trump became president. Make America truly great again.

That's what I would do, and it's what Biden should do if he wants to be president. Don't pander to the far-Left who have been devouring his party alive. Pander to the average America who just wants everything to stop. Who just want things to go back to normal.

Of course, it won't if Biden becomes president, but by the time they know that it would hopefully be too late, and Biden would already have won.

Biden is not even McKinley tier. I believe he was the last winner to run on that platform of stability or normalcy. Or was it Taft or Harrison. Either way, no one has won on that normalcy shit in a long time.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

Biden is not even McKinley tier. I believe he was the last winner to run on that platform of stability or normalcy. Or was it Taft or Harrison. Either way, no one has won on that normalcy shit in a long time.

Maybe not, but it would be his best bet. He really doesn't have anything else to go on besides it.

 

[heyitsmike]

I can't say much about Trump, because I don't think he really needs to do anything raise his numbers, but if I were in charge of Biden's campaign, here's what I would do.

Show how seemingly everything has gone crazy ever since Trump became president. It doesn't matter if it's true, or even remotely his fault, just show what's happened. The violence, the anger, the fighting, the destruction, the chaos-show all of it, and then show how "calm" and "stable" things were when Obama was president, and when Biden himself was vice president.

Maybe take Trump's slogan of "Make America Great Again" and put it over the riots, unemployment lines, the wildfires, or fucking hell, George Floyd's death video. And then maybe take Trump's line about telling the Proud Boys "Stand back, and stand by" and put it over footage of that lunatic plowing his car through a crowd in Charlottesville.

It doesn't matter that those things aren't Trump's fault, and how there were riots, police violence, and unemployment under Obama. The people won't care about that. They only care about the now.

Show them all of that, and then show footage of the "good times" under Obama. Maybe put a few of Trump's less "professional" moments next to Obama's more "professional" ones, but make sure that Biden is also in every clip featuring him. Show how "happy" and "civil" and "better" things used to be back then. Act like Ferguson, and Baltimore, and Trayvon never happened. Act like everything was sunshine and rainbows until Trump became president.

And then promise to bring it all back if Biden becomes president.

Promise a return to normalcy. That's Biden's best shot even if it's a total lie. Promise to stop the madness, and to make everything better. Make it how it was before Trump became president. Make America truly great again.

That's what I would do, and it's what Biden should do if he wants to be president. Don't pander to the far-Left who have been devouring his party alive. Pander to the average America who just wants everything to stop. Who just want things to go back to normal.

Of course, it won't if Biden becomes president, but by the time they know that it would hopefully be too late, and Biden would already have won.

Preaching to the choir. The people this would work on are already voting Biden and for those reasons.

 

[RockPaper]

Biden is not even McKinley tier. I believe he was the last winner to run on that platform of stability or normalcy. Or was it Taft or Harrison. Either way, no one has won on that normalcy shit in a long time.

It was Harding, but you hardly want to be compared to that guy

 

[Disc]

So if I understand this right... neither side came out of this looking great, but Don brought Biden down into the shit-pit for a knife fight? I feel like the ball's in Trump's court, then. He's always cast himself as the snarling bulldog of American politics, while seeing their return-to-normalcy candidate get into the pissing match is far more dissonant for the Biden crew.

 

[A Logging Company]

I wish people cared as much about dropping bombs on brown children as they do about debate decorum.

 

[CrippleThreat]

It was Harding, but you hardly want to be compared to that guy

Fact check my history knowledge, but that guy was so awful and shady, the best thing he did was die, and let Coolidge take over. Then, if Hoover wasn't stupid with his call for taxes to build public works, the Great Depression would just be a record recession from Coolidge's economy voodoo that could have been better and easily handled. Maybe he'd beat FDR too, and FDR wouldn't croak at the tail-end of WWII.

In terms of modernity, Biden is running on Harding normalcy, and if he wins, he'll pull a Hoover with a pinch of FDR; raise taxes plus a lockdown, all of it goes to the Green New Deal (remember the shit FDR pulled to get the New Deal in? Packing SCOTUS Justices just to get his way?), which would rape the economy even more.

We're ten years too early for another Hoover to come in. Trump is no Coolidge, but that economy does seem familiar.

All in all, history is repeating itself while colliding into itself.

 

[heyitsmike]

I wish people cared as much about dropping bombs on brown children as they do about debate decorum.

To be fair, we could drop bombs on white Canadian children and I wouldn't care either.

Warheads on foreheads, baby.

 

[graham_cracker]

Nate Silver may be good at predicting baseball outcomes, but statistically that bet that has variables that are much easier controlled and contained. Unlike political polling

Spoiler

which is filled with curveballs