Crunchy Parents General

[Driftwood]

Fundies do that too.
Got a cousin who just had a baby...home birth, baby has seen a chiro but not an actual medical doctor.

Homebirth...

If you have no choice, it is what it is. But if you do have a choice, why attempt to do something that in nature, had a 10% mortality rate for the baby and 1% mortality rate for the mother (not lifetime risk, rather every single time you gave birth) outside hospital?

 

[supremeautismo]

Homebirth...

If you have no choice, it is what it is. But if you do have a choice, why attempt to do something that in nature, had a 10% mortality rate for the baby and 1% mortality rate for the mother (not lifetime risk, rather every single time you gave birth) outside hospital?

Crunchy moms are so pretentious with that shit. “Here, let me use a (totally natural) jacuzzi to orgasm my way through giving birth because doctors are eViL and our natural body is so beautiful that it’s closer to the Earth if we put our lives at risk and eat our placenta!” It’s always white people. Always.

Disgustin’

 

[Driftwood]

It is interesting and horrifying to me how few generations removed from reality it takes for communities like anti-vaxers, homebirthers, anti-dentistry, etc to develop.

People into this shit point to animals as proof that nature is fine. PL, but I had a cat who was clearly in pain and wanted my help or support giving birth. My sister's goat died giving birth. My chickens scream for an hour before laying. They can die of egg binding.

 

[Allo Vera]

Fundies do that too.
Got a cousin who just had a baby...home birth, baby has seen a chiro but not an actual medical doctor.

I would love to know why a chiro is the “healthcare provider” (scare quotes are very deliberate) of choice for fundies and crunchies alike? And why are they so afraid of paracetamol? I thought they just cracked people’s spines when they had back pain, so the idea that you’d rush your infant to one when they have a high fever is pretty mind-blowing to me.

They claim that vaccination gives their kids autism, which I'm pretty ignorant of anything that would support these claims aside of word of mouth and statements of factual evidence supported by research that disprove the idea of vaccines giving autism. These parents are willing to risk their children's safety over the possibility of becoming autistic. They're honestly implying that death is better than autism. I know that Autism is very taboo to you Kiwifarms user (and let's face it grossly hypocritical) but I'm sure if I had a choice between my kid either dying from disease or getting autism, I would obviously choose to keep them alive and worry about them going on Le reddit, being SJW atheists and mimicking anime characters down the line. I'm not even sure how someone get's autism, as if it was a contagious disease when it's a sociological disorder that you're pre exposed to like any other mental defect that is resulted from birth.

There was one paper, long ago retracted, by Dr Andrew Wakefield, published in The Lancet in 1998. That’s what they all cling to (a screenshot several pages back quoted a mother saying “We still support Dr Wakefield” or something like that).

“The most damaging medical hoax of the 20th century”: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancet_MMR_autism_fraud

Crunchy moms are so pretentious with that shit. “Here, let me use a (totally natural) jacuzzi to orgasm my way through giving birth because doctors are eViL and our natural body is so beautiful that it’s closer to the Earth if we put our lives at risk and eat our placenta!” It’s always white people. Always.

Disgustin’

Here’s a good one. Wanted an unassisted homebirth so she could get stoned out of her mind during labour.

I got high while pregnant, had a home birth so I could smoke cannabis DURING labour & rub it on my toddlers' gums too

Biba Tanya didn’t just smoke during pregnancy – she smoked during LABOUR. The 39-year-old former law student and air stewardess from Clitheroe, Lancs., admitted to smoking pure cannabis…

www.thesun.co.uk

 

[Driftwood]

Why would she need an excuse? I have no reason to believe she was not blazed most of her pregnancy, so why would birth be different?

And as much as we can blame women for autists born of this, truth is these same things affect sperm quality and could also doom the child from day zero.

 

[Dorsia.Reservation]

Homebirth...

If you have no choice, it is what it is. But if you do have a choice, why attempt to do something that in nature, had a 10% mortality rate for the baby and 1% mortality rate for the mother (not lifetime risk, rather every single time you gave birth) outside hospital?

It is interesting and horrifying to me how few generations removed from reality it takes for communities like anti-vaxers, homebirthers, anti-dentistry, etc to develop.

would love to know why a chiro is the “healthcare provider” (scare quotes are very deliberate) of choice for fundies and crunchies alike? And why are they so afraid of paracetamol? I thought they just cracked people’s spines when they had back pain, so the idea that you’d rush your infant to one when they have a high fever is pretty mind-blowing to me.

It has been morbidly interesting to see the crunchy liberal and fundie hardcore conservative crossover.

I really don't get taking an infant to a chiropractor.
Maybe someone else can answer that?

Because it seems like the whole fundie latching on to the baby chiropractor just started maybe 15yrs or so ago.
My parents were fundie but we were all born in hospital and always saw doctors.
My otherside of the family is hardcore...a woman has to bleed out before she is taken to the hospital to give birth, chiropractic care for new mama/baby, homeopathic "doctor" and only when the shit hits the fan...real medical care.

And I could ree for pages about homebirths only attended by completely under educated midwives.
That is another crossover I've noticed...crunchy going with fundie midwives and fundie going with crunchy midwives.
I guess when you share the same delusions...

 

[ProgKing of the North]

There was one paper, long ago retracted, by Dr Andrew Wakefield, published in The Lancet in 1998. That’s what they all cling to (a screenshot several pages back quoted a mother saying “We still support Dr Wakefield” or something like that).

Wakefield was found to be such a fraudulent piece of shit that he's not even a doctor anymore, his medical license was stripped (in the UK, he never had one in the US AFAIK)

 

[MysticMisty]

Some woo-woo places still use leeches.

Surprisingly (or not) leeches have legit medicinal uses. They're used in skin grafts and reattachments in order to create and promote circulation so that the surgery is successful. It's creepy, but it works, and it's done in a sterile environment with sterile leeches, and medical professionals in case there's a problem where the bleeding doesn't stop.

 

[melty]

It's worth noting that the rise of Chinese traditional medicine happened in China because Mao recognized there weren't enough actual doctors to handle the entire population. So pseudoscience was pushed and glorified to give the population the illusion that their medical needs would all be met, when in reality they couldn't be.
With the ongoing issues in US healthcare, I suspect something similar is happening. The government has really warmed up to "alternative care" in the past decade. And I almost don't blame them - a lot of people go to the hospital with meaningless complaints. If you can give them some herb and they feel better and go away, why waste an actual doctor's time? So we're seeing more "alternative treatments" pushed to give people the illusion they are getting real healthcare without diverting important resources.

 

[AnOminous]

With the ongoing issues in US healthcare, I suspect something similar is happening. The government has really warmed up to "alternative care" in the past decade. And I almost don't blame them - a lot of people go to the hospital with meaningless complaints. If you can give them some herb and they feel better and go away, why waste an actual doctor's time? So we're seeing more "alternative treatments" pushed to give people the illusion they are getting real healthcare without diverting important resources.

Penny wise pound foolish. Because then they'll do dumb woo instead of getting diagnosed with the actual serious condition that they'll end up needing million dollar treatments for that could have been easily handled by preventative care.

 

[Sparklepants]

It's worth noting that the rise of Chinese traditional medicine happened in China because Mao recognized there weren't enough actual doctors to handle the entire population. So pseudoscience was pushed and glorified to give the population the illusion that their medical needs would all be met, when in reality they couldn't be.
With the ongoing issues in US healthcare, I suspect something similar is happening. The government has really warmed up to "alternative care" in the past decade. And I almost don't blame them - a lot of people go to the hospital with meaningless complaints. If you can give them some herb and they feel better and go away, why waste an actual doctor's time? So we're seeing more "alternative treatments" pushed to give people the illusion they are getting real healthcare without diverting important resources.

I remember hearing that we're coming up on a massive doctor shortage so that makes sense. Add the closure of a lot of rural and unprofitable hospitals, the looming wave of geriatric baby boomers and patient satisfaction surveys and it's a recipe for disaster.

 

[Nectarine]

With the ongoing issues in US healthcare, I suspect something similar is happening. The government has really warmed up to "alternative care" in the past decade.

Yep. In recent years, Medicare has begun providing coverage for "alternative" therapies, like chiropractors and acupuncturists. Some state-specific Medicaid plans even offer full coverage for naturopathy.

 

[QuokkaCaptain]

Homebirth...

If you have no choice, it is what it is. But if you do have a choice, why attempt to do something that in nature, had a 10% mortality rate for the baby and 1% mortality rate for the mother (not lifetime risk, rather every single time you gave birth) outside hospital?

There's a perception that the process will be less complicated, calmer, and more within the mother's control.

As with my last post, you have the two kinds of women that do this: Some women (especially ones with phobias around hospitals, or who have had traumatic birth experiences in the past) look into homebirthing as a possibility because they hope it will be less stressful.

The women who do it as a lifestyle have that sort of arrogant, Karen-esque attitude where you are guilty of a mortal sin if you even gently criticize their choice. Some of them are into that whole woo-lifestyle and just think doctors are know-it-alls, but some of them are doing it in a petty act of rebellion: They don't like being told what to do, even when it's for their own good, and so they do homebirth to thumb their nose at the doctors that had the audacity to suggest that they knew better. How can they possibly know better than Karen? Karen is a woman, and Karen knows her body better than any doctor ever could. It's sure how a lot of them come off, anyway.

(A year or two ago I fell down the google rabbit-hole and read a lot of shit on these people. I know more than I would like to.)

 

[NoSpiceLife]

Wakefield was found to be such a fraudulent piece of shit that he's not even a doctor anymore, his medical license was stripped (in the UK, he never had one in the US AFAIK)

Adding onto the 'how does autism even exist' parts. Besides the obvious, it's a neurological disorder that comes about, during the formation of that itty bitty human in the womb.

This enormous study should prove to any doubters once and for all, that vaccines and autism should never be spoken in the same sentence, unless it is to disprove it, even then keep them separated at all cost.

No effect of MMR withdrawal on the incidence of autism: a total population study. Hideo Honda, Yasuo Shimizu, Michael Rutter.

TLDR: Quote from an article talking about the study.

The latest study, of 31 426 children in the Japanese city of Yokahama, examined the incidence of autism between 1988 and 1996, a period when uptake of the MMR vaccination steadily declined before being withdrawn in 1993 and replaced by single vaccines...

Yet the incidence of autism continued to rise, from 48 cases per 10 000 children born in 1988 to 117.2 per 10 000 born in 1996. The same pattern was observed for the particular form of autism that Dr Wakefield linked to the MMR vaccine.

"The significance of these findings is that MMR is most unlikely to be the main cause of autism spectrum disorders (ASD) and that its withdrawal can't be expected to lead to a reduction in ASD," concluded the authors, from the Yokahama Rehabilitation Centre and the UK Institute of Psychiatry.

 

[Ducky!]

The women who do it as a lifestyle have that sort of arrogant, Karen-esque attitude where you are guilty of a mortal sin if you even gently criticize their choice. Some of them are into that whole woo-lifestyle and just think doctors are know-it-alls, but some of them are doing it in a petty act of rebellion: They don't like being told what to do, even when it's for their own good, and so they do homebirth to thumb their nose at the doctors that had the audacity to suggest that they knew better. How can they possibly know better than Karen? Karen is a woman, and Karen knows her body better than any doctor ever could. It's sure how a lot of them come off, anyway.

I had a patient once who’s only reasoning to do a homebirth was to save money. I’d say it wasn’t worth it since she died in the bath tub and they had to pay for a funeral anyway

 

[MetalParakeet]

Someone was posting about pendants made with breast milk, claiming it was healing since breast milk is "life giving."

When I pointed out that semen was the ultimate life giver and suggested that she make a nice set of cum earrings to match, suddenly I'm dIsgUstIng.

Hypocrisy

 

[Cristobal’s Colon]

Do orgasmic birth fetishists count?

 

[Monika H.]

Do orgasmic birth fetishists count?

Why, does such a thing exists?

 

[Dysnomia]

Someone was posting about pendants made with breast milk, claiming it was healing since breast milk is "life giving."

When I pointed out that semen was the ultimate life giver and suggested that she make a nice set of cum earrings to match, suddenly I'm dIsgUstIng.

Hypocrisy

Yet they'll paint with period blood and probably do other freaky things with it too.

 

[Saki Nikaido]

Yet they'll paint with period blood and probably do other freaky things with it too.

I feel like it's a different group of women that do that