Jaron Seth Bloshinsky / Jazz Jennings / I Am Jazz - Puberty Blockers: Not Even Once

[Anja Din]

The Duggars. Holy shit, Quiverfull people are fucking scary. My old law school crim pro professor talked about a case that involved a Quiverfull family. The mom (Andrea Yates) had basically been pregnant with no breaks for years and she finally had a really bad psychotic break. Her doctor warned the family that he didn’t think it wise or safe that she continue to get pregnant or even be alone with the kids during the day since her mental state was so poor, but the thoughtful jackass knocks her up anyway and she flips out and kills all five (four?) kids and goes for an insanity defense (successful). Last I read, he remarried, had another kid, and got divorced and she’s still locked up in a nuthouse. The Quiverfull wives all look so haggard and miserable from all the constant pregnancies, the guys seem like control freak pigs. what a cult.

 

[A borscht-on]

Just on hiatus and jumping over here from Deathfats...

Jeannette clearly steered Jaron towards rejecting his biology from the get-go. Anyone remember that episode where Jeannette wanted some plastic surgery, and her cross-eyed cadaver of a mother admitted that the only thing that mattered to her was that Jeannette was "attractive" while growing up? Not intelligent, not ambitious, not happy, just attractive. Jeannette's self-worth and self-esteem must have been as mangled as Jaron's dick growing up, and so she probably ensured that Jaron wouldn't experience that sort of marginalized stress a very nelly gay guy, deciding for him that being a troon headcase was far superior.

Or something. I'm just throwing out what I remember as being a gigantic red flag as to how truly insidious the mental and, likely, physical abuse has been throughout the family lines.

Somewhat related, possibly powerleveling, but here we are: Jaron for sure must have had some kind of "special attention" drawn to his genitals, whether that be straight-up molestation or implanting the notion that girls' parts were aspirational. His fixation with sex and sexual functions at such a young age is extremely telling. I went to school with a little girl who had obviously been diddled by someone in her family, as I recall as clear as day an occasion in which we were in third grade and lining up for an assembly. Apropos of nothing, she decided to tell a joke:

"What's grosser than gross?"

"What?"
"Finishing your yogurt and your brother asking where his cum collection went."

Eight years old. I didn't have a clue what she was talking about for years, which is why this stuck with me as being such a bizarre "joke." Needless to say, she went on to molest some of her little girlfriends (I learned later) and then ended up in hospital, 68 pounds, fed by a tube. Jaron has never stood a chance of normalcy, no matter what the incarnation, and if he doesn't end up mulching his entire family with a cheese grater in the next ten years it will be a miracle.

 

[MrsLoveMom]

The Duggars. Holy shit, Quiverfull people are fucking scary. My old law school crim pro professor talked about a case that involved a Quiverfull family. The mom (Andrea Yates) had basically been pregnant with no breaks for years and she finally had a really bad psychotic break. Her doctor warned the family that he didn’t think it wise or safe that she continue to get pregnant or even be alone with the kids during the day since her mental state was so poor, but the thoughtful jackass knocks her up anyway and she flips out and kills all five (four?) kids and goes for an insanity defense (successful). Last I read, he remarried, had another kid, and got divorced and she’s still locked up in a nuthouse. The Quiverfull wives all look so haggard and miserable from all the constant pregnancies, the guys seem like control freak pigs. what a cult.

Yes, I remember that case all too well. I argued with a group of lawyers that he should've been charged with at least accessory to murder with intent because I believed the evidence showed he maliciously drove her to the murders with the hope of freeing himself to move on. And so he did. He's free, she's locked up for life.

Just on hiatus and jumping over here from Deathfats...

Jeannette clearly steered Jaron towards rejecting his biology from the get-go. Anyone remember that episode where Jeannette wanted some plastic surgery, and her cross-eyed cadaver of a mother admitted that the only thing that mattered to her was that Jeannette was "attractive" while growing up? Not intelligent, not ambitious, not happy, just attractive. Jeannette's self-worth and self-esteem must have been as mangled as Jaron's dick growing up, and so she probably ensured that Jaron wouldn't experience that sort of marginalized stress a very nelly gay guy, deciding for him that being a troon headcase was far superior.

Or something. I'm just throwing out what I remember as being a gigantic red flag as to how truly insidious the mental and, likely, physical abuse has been throughout the family lines.

Somewhat related, possibly powerleveling, but here we are: Jaron for sure must have had some kind of "special attention" drawn to his genitals, whether that be straight-up molestation or implanting the notion that girls' parts were aspirational. His fixation with sex and sexual functions at such a young age is extremely telling. I went to school with a little girl who had obviously been diddled by someone in her family, as I recall as clear as day an occasion in which we were in third grade and lining up for an assembly. Apropos of nothing, she decided to tell a joke:

"What's grosser than gross?"

"What?"
"Finishing your yogurt and your brother asking where his cum collection went."

Eight years old. I didn't have a clue what she was talking about for years, which is why this stuck with me as being such a bizarre "joke." Needless to say, she went on to molest some of her little girlfriends (I learned later) and then ended up in hospital, 68 pounds, fed by a tube. Jaron has never stood a chance of normalcy, no matter what the incarnation, and if he doesn't end up mulching his entire family with a cheese grater in the next ten years it will be a miracle.

Obviously, Mama didn't get her wish. Thank God those kids take after their not bad looking father because Mom is as homely as it comes, IMO.

 

[Kulee Baba]

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Trans is not a condition. It's a symptom of a mental illness. Being gay doesn't make you multilate your genitals & claim to be the opposite sex.

Gender Dysphoria is indeed a mental illness, it's the belief/delusion that you were born in the "wrong body." And the current ethical debate we have is whether one should fix their gender dysphoria thru invasive surgery or just say that women can have penises.

I definitely don't think people are born trans, but I think they can suffer with gender dysphoria. In my humble TERF opinion the transgender cure for gender dysphoria is akin to solving Bi-Polar Disorder thru lobotomy.

 

[Parthenos]

It's entirely possible that Jazz wasn't ever physically molested. Sometimes just psychological sexual abuse or conditioning can be enough.

>kid gets groomed/whatever
>parents go "oh fuck, he might pass on the cycle"
>cut his nuts off, that oughta fix it

It is interesting to note that earlier on in the thread there was a lot of mentioning how boundaries within the family are fucked. I second the notion that there's a tell-all book waiting to happen.

 

[The Pink Panther]

Of course they don't. TLC is the modern equivalent of the sideshow carnival, where you can see the weirdest freaks humanity has to offer, wrapped up in the gloss of reality TV. That's why they've got shows about fat people, midgets, non-gendered creatures, and other miscellaneous weirdos like the Duggars. You can almost hear the carnival barker yelling, "And riiiiight over here, we got the famous Jazz Jennings! Visited by the Vagina Fairy at the age of 3, Jazz lives their existence trying to become a woman, but can't feel any sort of sexual pleasure or feelings, and their vagina is little more than a festering hole. Will it fall out again today? Step right up, step right up, it might happen, and oh what a sight it is!"

So what you're saying is, TLC was Kiwifarms before it was cool.

 

[Treasure Champs]

Gender Dysphoria is indeed a mental illness, it's the belief/delusion that you were born in the "wrong body." And the current ethical debate we have is whether one should fix their gender dysphoria thru invasive surgery or just say that women can have penises.

I definitely don't think people are born trans, but I think they can suffer with gender dysphoria. In my humble TERF opinion the transgender cure for gender dysphoria is akin to solving Bi-Polar Disorder thru lobotomy.

Well, kind of. As I recall from reading various bits and bobs on this, gender dysphoria is a delusion like anorexia, and very similar to it in that it's very, very hard to treat through therapy. Anorexics maintain a persistent delusion that they are fat, and trannies maintain a persistent delusion that they are somehow the opposite sex "inside". It's insanely hard to dissuade either.

>current ethical debate we have is whether one should fix their gender dysphoria thru invasive surgery or just say that women can have penises

These are both troon positions, tho. They want to do both- if someone wants surgery, they should get it, but also wider society should change everything to accommodate the "fact" that some women have penises. Neither of these positions acknowledges that it is, in fact, a delusion. The troons want to say that it's exactly as REAL as they perceive it to be, that people with souls or essences or whatever of male or female people get "stuck" in the bodies of the opposite sex. They will come out with all sorts of mangled-science about hormone-washing in the womb and brain scans and all that rubbish to avoid acknowledging that it's a mental health problem. And cancel anyone who isn't a true believer that the 6'3 hulking fat man is "truly" a woman inside.

Anorexics would probably do the same, honestly, if they had any social power at all. But they are mostly young women so they don't, and they get treated in clinics and some of them die. Middle-aged men, however, do have social power, so instead of getting treated for mental illness they loudly demanded that everyone agree with their delusion, and a lot of people did without realizing that they were just sucking up to the status-quo of men with power and not heroically defending the poorest, most marginalized people ever, who are so marginalized they didn't even get to live in the right bodies, boo-hoo!

 

[keyboredsm4shthe2nd]

I don’t really dislike garden variety trannies. It’s just depressing when some mentally ill woman brainwashes her kid his entire life into thinking masculine things = evil and chopping his dick off. Or when straight cis dudes decide that they’re too much incel to get a date so they slap on a wig like CWC in order to lure chicks into a false sense of safety then announce they’re looking for other lesbians.

this troons mom really fucked him up with the man-hating brainwashing so early. I hope that psycho of a mom realizes her book/tv show deal is at the cost of ruining someone’s life. Poor little fucker had no chance. Right after she got the troon to chop his dick off, she should have turned to husband and said, “you next” for being an absolute shit of a father that let his kid get butchered.

As unfortunate as it is, she will never realize nor care, because normal or remotely healthy people don't do this. Narcissists only care for themselves and only see their children as an extension of themselves, and admitting something they've done was wrong is legitimate torture for them.

This is off-topic, but the Duggars are part of a creepy Christian fertility cult called Quiverfull. It's a totally fucked ideology. Emotional and sexual abuse happens a lot in Quiverfull families, along with trying to have as many kids as possible.
The TLC producers really don't have morals at all.

TIL. I thought they were like Catholics, who took the order to "go forth and multiply" too seriously (and also that's the only time you can have sex) (Most Catholics have at least 4-5 kids)

 

[NerdShamer]

I'm really quite concerned at the level of sexual/boundary-pushing behavior Jazz exhibited at an early age. The obsession with genitals and sex, especially on an elementary-aged person at the time, is really disturbing.

I'm not making blatant accusations but I would have been more concerned with who Jazz had been around over gender.

There are parts of the book where Jazz's obsession with private parts really do make it seem suspicious. The part where he's mentioned to constantly be tucking and picking at himself disturbed me and I had to stop reading briefly. He asks questions about his sibling's genitals, along with asking his friends. His weirdly autistic fixation on kissing and drawing boobs and vaginas and then feeling the need to tell everyone around him about it is really unsettling.

Seriously, I feel like just being an outsider sibling in this family would give me long lasting issues. Even if Jazz is the golden child, he needed to be taught about privacy and boundaries.

He mentioned at one point just staring at the flat section between Barbie's legs for hours.

Listen, Jazz doesn't strike me as autistic. But I can't explain these weird fixations without that or child sexual abuse being possible. Normal kids, even gender non-conforming ones, are not this grossly fixated on this stuff.

Yeah, something weird is going on, here. It's an combination of him actually being touched and brainwashed by his mom in addition to knowing too much about sex.

How old was he when he saw an gender therapist?

 

[Anja Din]

I thought they didn’t really care much about religion, but I’m not certain. Maybe really cringey “goop“ type of pop culture new age crap, if anything at all. She did mention some bullshit about magic crystal dowsing at birth.

I think there’s a correlation with acting out and being raised in a really repressive environment like you described. You see it in some troons. You see it in some cis straight people like baptist ministers with slutty, drug addict daughters or sons that are zoosadists or some shit, the whole acting out thing. People raised like that seem to want all the attention and go on huge benders after they leave parents for the first time.

I wonder if any study has been done about trans people and early child development.

 

[iSaidShhh]

I personally don't think Jazz was molested as the poor kid has been identifying as a girl since early childhood. With so much publicity and a TV show to boot I think Jazz would have outed her abuser at some point. I just don't see how it could have been held as a secret in the family for years with TV Cameras in the background. And I think the abuse would have happened to the rest of the kids who all seem fairly normal.

Fully disagree with this. If his abuser were smart they would only go after one kid, and they'd go after the one that already seemed fucked up or rudderless - or attached enough to the crazy mom that they knew she'd handwave everything away to not disrupt the image of a picture-perfect wonderful family.

Abuse buries itself deep. I can absolutely buy that Jazz was molested and never said a word about it to anybody - there's a huge difference between spouting your mouth off about microaggressions that make you cry in a Target or whatever and talking about something that was so traumatic that it led to full-bore disconnection from your birth gender/genitals.

 

[Disgruntled Pupper]

I don't think Jazz was molested because Jazz lies and I bet most of that shit never even happened. He and mommy made it up in order to make his trannery seem more natural and organic but they're so tone deaf and warped up in a very sick crowd anyways that they didn't realize how instead of making him seem like a super special tragically-wrong-bodied women it just makes him sound like a molestation victim.

Same thing with Jeannette and her pathologies. I don't think she a rabid man-hater who was super double raped and wants to gas the gays. I think she's just a progressive Jew who got swept up in a cultural current that, you have to remember, was being laid long before any of us had any idea it was going on. She talks to her sister or cousin or whatever about the kid doing natural kid things, gets told he's ~trans~ which is like gay but EVEN MORE SPECIAL, and of course being the empathetic and forward-thinking woman she is Jeannette accepts this. The clinic tell her the same thing, and pretty soon here comes the cycle of fart-huffing "my kid is special and gets special attention because of it" highs along with the "boo-hoo my poor baby is discriminated against" lows and here we are. Plenty of people get caught up in some variant of this.

 

[pussy raptor]

At this point we all should be thankful that with that kind of childhood backstory Jazz only trooned out to end up as a suicidal, miserable SRS lab rat instead of becoming a full blown serial killer.

 

[sperginity]

Though in that case you'd expect her to have done that to the older sons too. I wonder if it's a mix of Munchausen's by proxy, homophobia (Jazz doesn't have a sex drive now thanks to the drugs and dick butchery but he talked about feeling like a rejected gay boy to his past life regression quack) and narcissistic parenting like @sperginity discussed. She wanted a mini-me, a feminine girl to have mother-daughter spa days and manicures and shit with, and Ari was never really into all that, and since Jazz is the youngest and Jeanette had been hoping/believing all through her pregnancy with him that she'd have a girl, she made him into her gal pal from the ground-up.

There are a lot of parents who only had kids of one sex and really wanted to have both. I think we have all seen it from either parent wanting a child of the same sex. Some kids are really sensitive to their parent's wishes even if they don't state it out loud to them, if a parent obviously wanted a different kind of child and doesn't express appropriate affection then the child is very likely to try everything they can to get their emotional needs met, including pretending to be the opposite sex.

It's entirely possible that Jazz wasn't ever physically molested. Sometimes just psychological sexual abuse or conditioning can be enough.
I wonder if the other siblings were ever punished for their gender in ways similar to Jazz, or if Jazz was the only one. Would be interesting to hear the siblings speak out on what really went on in the childhood, one day.

They call it "emotional incest" when there is a creepy lack of sexual boundaries that never crosses over into molestation. It is really damaging, it is harder for victims to name the problem than with actual diddling.

How old was he when he saw an gender therapist?

Two or Three. I link to something in my OP that says definitively, but I remember that it was pre-kindergarten. They filed a lawsuit on his behalf as a kindergartener for bathroom use.


Anyway, towards the end of the last season there is a really telling scene where jazz is the center of attention at a family gathering and he starts having a mental breakdown. Everyone holds their breath and waits for Jeannette to react before doing anything, and its super weird. A normal family would have someone comfort the person more or less immediately, but he just stood there emoting at everyone. Jeannette got super cold towards him and seemed offended that jazz was having emotional problems. I think that jeannette gets really angry when jazz does or says anything that makes it look like pediatric transition was a bad idea, like since he is supposed to be done with surgeries he should be a posterchild for genital surgery (at least when the cameras are rolling). This is in stark contrast to when jazz asks for superficial things like tattoos or a boob job or host an event, in those cases Jeannette jumps at the opportunity to give him whatever he wants. Its fucked. All wants satisfied, but crucial needs are left neglected.

 

[Putin Bot]

I’d agree with the emotional incest. Jeannette seems obsessed with Jazz’s genitals, and I find it even creepier that she wanted Jazz to get his surgery at 17, so she can make sure he keeps to the dilator schedule and to “help” him dilate. This is definitely MBP behavior and definitely a sign of abuse.

I feel bad for Jazz, because I do think the reality of his situation is starting to hit him, especially as his time in the spotlight is coming to an end. He won’t be going to college, ever, because mommy dearest isn’t about to let him out of her control. He won’t have friends either (unless mommy approves), and his whole identity is wrapped up in being the trans poster child, and that’s coming to an end now that he’s an adult. He’s mentally and physically stunted, has zero sex drive, his genitals are FUBAR, and thanks to being trooned out so early, there’s probably no way he can detransition. I definitely think Jazz will end up 41%, or at least attempt it multiple times. And of course Jeannette will play the grieving mother, and place the blame on everyone and everything but herself.

 

[Questionable Ceviche]

I don't think Jazz was molested because Jazz lies and I bet most of that shit never even happened. He and mommy made it up in order to make his trannery seem more natural and organic but they're so tone deaf and warped up in a very sick crowd anyways that they didn't realize how instead of making him seem like a super special tragically-wrong-bodied women it just makes him sound like a molestation victim.

Same thing with Jeannette and her pathologies. I don't think she a rabid man-hater who was super double raped and wants to gas the gays. I think she's just a progressive Jew who got swept up in a cultural current that, you have to remember, was being laid long before any of us had any idea it was going on. She talks to her sister or cousin or whatever about the kid doing natural kid things, gets told he's ~trans~ which is like gay but EVEN MORE SPECIAL, and of course being the empathetic and forward-thinking woman she is Jeannette accepts this. The clinic tell her the same thing, and pretty soon here comes the cycle of fart-huffing "my kid is special and gets special attention because of it" highs along with the "boo-hoo my poor baby is discriminated against" lows and here we are. Plenty of people get caught up in some variant of this.

It's been a doozy catching up with this thread, and I think that they're full of shit. It's so much like the Yaniv story where him and his mom just start making shit up when they're put on the spot about how her failed son was actually a supertroon as a child. They had no idea how to lie about it, so they made up the most over the top OBVIOUSLY A GIRL FOR REAL stories they could think of. I eagerly await the tell-all book by one of the siblings when they're financially independent adults and don't have to worry about suffering even more abuse from their obviously psychotic mom.

 

[T0oCoolFool]

I don't think Jazz was molested because Jazz lies and I bet most of that shit never even happened. He and mommy made it up in order to make his trannery seem more natural and organic but they're so tone deaf and warped up in a very sick crowd anyways that they didn't realize how instead of making him seem like a super special tragically-wrong-bodied women it just makes him sound like a molestation victim.

Same thing with Jeannette and her pathologies. I don't think she a rabid man-hater who was super double raped and wants to gas the gays. I think she's just a progressive Jew who got swept up in a cultural current that, you have to remember, was being laid long before any of us had any idea it was going on. She talks to her sister or cousin or whatever about the kid doing natural kid things, gets told he's ~trans~ which is like gay but EVEN MORE SPECIAL, and of course being the empathetic and forward-thinking woman she is Jeannette accepts this. The clinic tell her the same thing, and pretty soon here comes the cycle of fart-huffing "my kid is special and gets special attention because of it" highs along with the "boo-hoo my poor baby is discriminated against" lows and here we are. Plenty of people get caught up in some variant of this.

This is my take on it as well. One thing you'll notice if you visit the insane troon parents thread is that these parents will always talk about certain things their children did that "prove" they are transgender. They always sound fake or highly exaggerated.

Jeannette is no different from other troon parents, she needs a good back story to justify ruining her child's life. I've never believed her stories, but I REALLY doubt the newer ones. I think the claims are bullshit since they came out later when more people were aware of Jazz and began criticizing the Jeannette for trooning out a toddler, and all she had as "proof" was that Jazz liked girly things. And some of them just sound completely unrealistic. A child sitting still and staring at a doll vagina for hours? Yeah right.

If we go back to the first interview with Jeanette, this is how they "knew" Jazz was trans:

From the moment he could speak, Jazz made it clear he wanted to wear a dress. At only 15 months, he would unsnap his onesies to make it look like a dress. When his parents praised Jazz as a "good boy," he would correct them, saying he was a good girl.

The Jennings wanted to believe it would pass. Scott said he "was in a bit of denial" about what Jazz was trying to tell them. After all, even their rowdy twin boys, who are two years older than Jazz, had painted their nails growing up. But Jazz kept gravitating to girl things, insisting that his penis was a mistake.

When Jazz was two, he asked his mother a question that left her numb and frozen. "[He] said, 'Mommy, when's the good fairy going to come with her magic wand and change, you know, my genitalia?" according to Renee.

This is the story I've always read and heard. It sounds pretty lame and kind of homophobic as well, so I can understand why they felt the need to makeup more examples that "prove" Jazz was really trans years later.

Also, I always thought someone had told Jeanette first about gender dysphoria, but it was actually the cow herself who first diagnosed Jazz, then took him to his doctor to get a confirmation:

Troubled by her son's behavior, Renee eventually consulted her copy of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual or DSM-IV, the book used by psychologists and psychiatrists to identify mental disorders. She read the entry for Gender Identity Disorder (GID), with alarming familiarity.

Even Jazz's pediatrician told the Jennings that they had a serious problem on their hands. According to Renee, their doctor said, "'Yes, I believe your child has gender identity disorder, and I recommend that you go to a professional.' And I was -- my mouth opened up and you literally had to scrape me off the floor," Renee said.

It's very obvious that the real problem with Jazz was that he had homophobic parents. They didn't like Jazz acting like a girl and Jeannette thought she found a way to fix her potentially gay son and also come out as a hero for doing so.

 

[Treasure Champs]

That whole origin story is just bullshit from start to finish. Babies don't have the awareness to put together something as complex as "dress = clothing for girls" or "if I modify this onesie it will look like a dress". Any normal person would conclude that the onesie was uncomfortable between his legs, not make up some elaborate reasoning process that a toddler wouldn't be capable of going through.

Ditto asking for the vagina fairy at the age of two. Two is when most children start to speak, and they generally start with naming things in their immediate vicinity and putting together simple phrases in the present tense. They don't have any concept of past or future events ("when will...?") or say words like "genitalia", and certainly wouldn't understand that there are two versions of bodies and they'd rather have the other one. Two year olds say "give!" and "hungry, mommy!" not "excuse me but I believe I was assigned the wrong genitalia".

I'm always amazed by the dumbness of troon child narratives, but if you look at some of the biggest advocates of transing kids, they are often people with no kids and no experience of kids.

 

[Muttnik]

Some children become aware of differences in genitalia when being bathed with their young siblings. At that age, it's practical to put the two toddlers in the same tub instead of bathing the kids one at a time. Kids notice things even that early on.

The difference is that most kids don't give a shit. They're aware of differences in body parts but they don't flip their shit asking for vaginas. They don't even know what vaginas are, or penises. It's just "potty parts". I think it would have been pretty impossible for Jazz to know about sex organs and their functionality unless someone told him, something that is NOT appropriate for a 2-3 year old.

 

[Dorsia.Reservation]

Ditto asking for the vagina fairy at the age of two.

How did we get to a point in society where a two year old talking about vagina is anything but a screaming red flag?