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Efficient economies are really bad. A peak efficient economy is China's.
U.S. Riots of May 2020 over George Floyd and others - ITT: a bunch of faggots butthurt about worthless internet stickers
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I know that's why I didn't say anything just left and didn't look back, I'm just glad I got home before it got really dark. My doors locked lights in windows off just gonna stay inside and pop in a classic horror movie for aahhhhctober.
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Slave labor and killing the planet isn't "efficient". It's barbaric.
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...Are you thinking of meth? Are you actually familiar with the rust belt? Because I am familiar with it and I know that heroin is one of the most expensive illicit drugs there is, averaged out over a year. Low duration combined with high addictive potential makes it so expensive it can bankrupt even the rich.
It's also not in any way easy to make because it requires you to mix a strictly controlled substance with a highly monitored substance. If you have a ton of acetic anhydride shipped to a farm in Ohio without a very good reason you're going to get a friendly visit in the near future. Meth, however, is very easy to make with things that are very easy to get. This is why you hear about meth labs but not heroin labs.
I'm guessing your "experience" with the problems of the conservative lower class comes mostly from YouTube videos, so I'll give you some firsthand experience. They're not nearly as bad as the liberal lower class, but they're still almost all victims of their own horrible decisions. The ones willing to put down the Bud Light and the bong are more then capable of living a healthy, happy life. They won't be making tons of money, but everything is so cheap up there it doesn't matter. They don't mind.
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Where is Bernard Goetz when you need him?
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I saw Reddit was brought up earlier in this thread. If you wanna see how bad it is, check the front page of Imgur.
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Japan and Germany don't seem to have problems running efficient manufacturing economies without major negative effects on society.
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I am not familiar with the rust belt personally, but know a bit about the drug culture via a reliable source that lived in Pitt for years. He was very consistent that everywhere he went to buy drugs (usually outside the metro area proper, he referred to those areas as "Pennsyltucky") repeated the same story; overwhelming majority of the junkies were heroine junkies that got hooked on opiates via prescriptions opiates for workplace incidents and transitioned to heroine because it was cheaper and more easily available.
He never mentioned meth, but he also wasn't the type who would seek out meth so that may have excluded a portion of the culture he otherwise would have experienced.
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Don't get me wrong, there are tons of heroin users out there. More than meth users, I'd say. But they do it because they're hopelessly addicted, not because it's cheap or easy to make. Believe me, none of them want to nearly overdose because they're chasing the dragon so hard their lungs can't handle it, but if they stop shooting up they're in for a nightmare experience. Meth heads actually like being on meth because it helps them get shit done and it's not that addictive. Still very addictive, but nothing like heroin. Not even close.
Anyway, that's enough of this derailment, so I'll refrain from any more replies in this thread.
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the website is loading like AIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDS due to whatever weirdness has been going on lately, so while I wanted more on-topic beef in this post, I don't want to wait five minutes to see what I missed
If people were just clamoring for a return to the heyday of those corrupt unions, I'd agree with you - what a lot of those unions were demanding for their workers was far above what the pay-grade realistically mandated, and so it was only a matter of time before the rest of the world's cheaper access would strip away those excesses. If those wages had just been depressed down to a more reasonable point and that was the consequence, the rust belt wouldn't be called that. It was a blend both of those unions' hubris growing so great that they sooner sank the ship than kept their members employed and of even a more-reasonable wage being quickly invalidated by having to compete with the wider world.
And this story isn't unique to the rust belt, which is why I brought up so many of those yuropean spots. These trends of left-behind places are everywhere. They don't have anything to attract capital, they don't have anything to attract talent, and nor do they have anything to retain what capital is already there and talent is born in. They hemorrhage to the point where they have no capital to even upkeep their infrastructure, which is why so many bridges, wells, sewer systems, roads, schools, hospitals, so-on are all in disrepair in these spots.
The role of government here, to me, isn't necessarily to prop them up or to give out handouts to whatever welfare queens will take 'em -- it's to ensure that those pathways out exist. I agree fully with the idea that more people should be getting into skilled labor - let's make sure these places have the access and ability to get that accreditation. People may have to move in order to find steady and stable work - let's consider offering tax credits to businesses to cover moving expenses for people to get out of impoverished areas. Tax credits to businesses to move into impoverished areas hasn't traditionally worked, but jobs programs to update and modernize the infrastructure might not be the worst way to deal with the approaching recession/depression once the coof starts to ease up.
No, I'm talking about heroin. Meth is cheaper byfar, yes. Though there was an error on my part - I was mixing Heroin and opioids together mentally, given that the cost of heroin has been trending down in my area. Heroin does tend to be cheaper than meth, yes, but opioids like pain pills are real real cheap. The pipeline from pills to heroin seems to be much more prevalent than to meth. Meth is also easier for the individual to make, yes, but the volume of heroin in these places - cut or not - is absurd. Clearly, it can't be that hard for the criminal elements which have the right kit.
And the reality is, no-one who gets addicted is pricing in the cost of the drug averaged out over a year. How much does it cost to get a single hit of heroin? Not that much, right? So if your dumb junkie high-school friends are shooting up, the buy-in is cheap. No-one's thinking "Hmm, this could cost me close to $90k a year. I'll have to weigh that against my disposable income." It'd be great if people just never touched the stuff or didn't get addicted. That isn't what happens, and the assumption that you could run some "say no to drugs, kids" material and hope for the best has turned out great, if the opioid crisis is great.
I mean, I'd think I was raised in the rust belt, with both left and right-leaning working class to my family, but I suppose I've never quite accepted "I think, therefore I am" in full fairness. Poor people of every stripe make bad financial decisions, it's true. Some of them, like my favorite boy, fit your bill of buying new phones and expensive luxury shit and guzzling all their money into takeout orders. If you think that's most of them, what, did you work in a call center where you had to deal out handouts or something? Talk to people who work at wal-marts and home depots in these places -- are they living a "healthy, happy life?" in their dead-end, low-paying job which is paradoxically the best around?
You're going complete bootstraps. It's a good mantra to impress into kids who are young and teenagers, sure, but it does fuckall for the middle-aged and old (the working classes don't tend to have great 401ks unless they were union), does fuckall for people trying to recover from drug use or crime, does fuckall for people getting away from broken, parasitic families. A couple people adopt that mantra to heart, leave town, do well for themselves. We just supposed to leave everything else there to rot, and obtusely use the government's power of purse to fund another football stadium or racial sensitivity regimen?
Now bear in mind, propping these places up with welfare's a raw deal. That's no real recovery, no real impetus for these people to get up and go. Government made the corporations jizz from lowering trade restrictions on overseas labor, capital, production, etc; some of the proceeds the government has made from this can certainly go into limited-duration infrastructure work, educational programs meant to get people certified and connected in trades, and even shit like Ed Rendell's wacky needle-exchange program to take steps towards combatting drug usage in these busted-ass communities for pennies compared to the tax breaks they're cutting the megacorp multinationals. Or the money they're going to lose fixing up after these riots. That's my razz.
If people were just clamoring for a return to the heyday of those corrupt unions, I'd agree with you - what a lot of those unions were demanding for their workers was far above what the pay-grade realistically mandated, and so it was only a matter of time before the rest of the world's cheaper access would strip away those excesses. If those wages had just been depressed down to a more reasonable point and that was the consequence, the rust belt wouldn't be called that. It was a blend both of those unions' hubris growing so great that they sooner sank the ship than kept their members employed and of even a more-reasonable wage being quickly invalidated by having to compete with the wider world.
And this story isn't unique to the rust belt, which is why I brought up so many of those yuropean spots. These trends of left-behind places are everywhere. They don't have anything to attract capital, they don't have anything to attract talent, and nor do they have anything to retain what capital is already there and talent is born in. They hemorrhage to the point where they have no capital to even upkeep their infrastructure, which is why so many bridges, wells, sewer systems, roads, schools, hospitals, so-on are all in disrepair in these spots.
The role of government here, to me, isn't necessarily to prop them up or to give out handouts to whatever welfare queens will take 'em -- it's to ensure that those pathways out exist. I agree fully with the idea that more people should be getting into skilled labor - let's make sure these places have the access and ability to get that accreditation. People may have to move in order to find steady and stable work - let's consider offering tax credits to businesses to cover moving expenses for people to get out of impoverished areas. Tax credits to businesses to move into impoverished areas hasn't traditionally worked, but jobs programs to update and modernize the infrastructure might not be the worst way to deal with the approaching recession/depression once the coof starts to ease up.
No, I'm talking about heroin. Meth is cheaper byfar, yes. Though there was an error on my part - I was mixing Heroin and opioids together mentally, given that the cost of heroin has been trending down in my area. Heroin does tend to be cheaper than meth, yes, but opioids like pain pills are real real cheap. The pipeline from pills to heroin seems to be much more prevalent than to meth. Meth is also easier for the individual to make, yes, but the volume of heroin in these places - cut or not - is absurd. Clearly, it can't be that hard for the criminal elements which have the right kit.
And the reality is, no-one who gets addicted is pricing in the cost of the drug averaged out over a year. How much does it cost to get a single hit of heroin? Not that much, right? So if your dumb junkie high-school friends are shooting up, the buy-in is cheap. No-one's thinking "Hmm, this could cost me close to $90k a year. I'll have to weigh that against my disposable income." It'd be great if people just never touched the stuff or didn't get addicted. That isn't what happens, and the assumption that you could run some "say no to drugs, kids" material and hope for the best has turned out great, if the opioid crisis is great.
I mean, I'd think I was raised in the rust belt, with both left and right-leaning working class to my family, but I suppose I've never quite accepted "I think, therefore I am" in full fairness. Poor people of every stripe make bad financial decisions, it's true. Some of them, like my favorite boy, fit your bill of buying new phones and expensive luxury shit and guzzling all their money into takeout orders. If you think that's most of them, what, did you work in a call center where you had to deal out handouts or something? Talk to people who work at wal-marts and home depots in these places -- are they living a "healthy, happy life?" in their dead-end, low-paying job which is paradoxically the best around?
You're going complete bootstraps. It's a good mantra to impress into kids who are young and teenagers, sure, but it does fuckall for the middle-aged and old (the working classes don't tend to have great 401ks unless they were union), does fuckall for people trying to recover from drug use or crime, does fuckall for people getting away from broken, parasitic families. A couple people adopt that mantra to heart, leave town, do well for themselves. We just supposed to leave everything else there to rot, and obtusely use the government's power of purse to fund another football stadium or racial sensitivity regimen?
Now bear in mind, propping these places up with welfare's a raw deal. That's no real recovery, no real impetus for these people to get up and go. Government made the corporations jizz from lowering trade restrictions on overseas labor, capital, production, etc; some of the proceeds the government has made from this can certainly go into limited-duration infrastructure work, educational programs meant to get people certified and connected in trades, and even shit like Ed Rendell's wacky needle-exchange program to take steps towards combatting drug usage in these busted-ass communities for pennies compared to the tax breaks they're cutting the megacorp multinationals. Or the money they're going to lose fixing up after these riots. That's my razz.
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Cusack has gone to a case of terminal Trump derangement like no other lately. Dumbass motherfucker
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If I answer correctly do I get a million dollars?
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Yeah, it's disappointing but not surprising since most of Hollywood's actors are like this. I still watch his movies if they're good, but I stopped reading his tweets.
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John Cusack's a faggot, and I'm a guy who enjoys other men's penises!
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God, and I was going to fly him out to do a sponsored short film project. I planned everything; room and board. Found this fantastic hotel. It's called the Dolphin. Damn... Now I'm just going to have to sit here flicking my bean to the Carpenters.
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Tell him you want to fly him out to do a sequel to "Better off Dead" since he hates that film, and "One crazy summer" both with a passion. His only two good films. I can tolerate "Grosse Pointe Blank" though. I never got what the buzz was with that fucknut.
His sister seems crazy, too.
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Antifags are taking the night off in Portland. They plan to be out tomorrow who knows where.
Trump has the coof.
We still have a month until the election.
Shit is going to get a whole lot more real.
Trump has the coof.
We still have a month until the election.
Shit is going to get a whole lot more real.
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Looks like blacks top muslims on the oppression pyramid now.
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