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So here's a semi-related question. Given the volatile situation right, what's the best way to prepare yourself for shit going down? Nevermind supplies, let's assume that's handled. I'm talking about violence (in Minecraft). What should be priorities? Target shooting accuracy? Draw speed? Usage of cover? Other?

Practice shooting while moving. Cover is likely to be useless if you don't know what can pierce it. If you're outside though, make sure you're always behind a car engine. Cardio is a bigggie. And yes, of course accuracy and quick transitioning. The absolute best thing to practice though is avoidance.
 
So here's a semi-related question. Given the volatile situation right, what's the best way to prepare yourself for shit going down? Nevermind supplies, let's assume that's handled. I'm talking about violence (in Minecraft). What should be priorities? Target shooting accuracy? Draw speed? Usage of cover? Other?
Not being where the violence is.
 
Yes, let me be clear, that would be my first choice. I'm hoping nothing happens where I am, but I don't exactly have a Montana bunker complex to fall back to if it does.
Of course my notifications for this thread are fucking broken, so I haven't read anything since my last post. I was shocked that this thread wasn't active given the current situation. I am going to assume you are a new shooter.

The most important thing to bring to a gunfight is friends with guns. The caveat is that they can't be retards who are likely to cause more problems. A group of armed citizens is strong deterrence. Look at what happened to Rittenhouse because he was separated from the group. Hopefully you have friends who shoot. All of my friends who I've gotten into guns over the years are happy that I did even though violence is far, far away from us. My philosophy is that your pistol exists to get you to your rifle. Pistols are immediate access self-defense weapons because you cannot carry a rifle. Your rifle needs a sling. Don't be the guy at the range without a sling.

My advice is to practice the fundamentals. Start close and then work your way back. Begin drawing from the holster or at the low ready to shoot a drill if you're used to just raising the firearm and shooting out your mag in a slow steady string. If you are already a comfortable shooter then you should introduce some stress into your shooting. There are targets with different colored and numbered shapes. Shoot with a partner and have them call out the color/number/shape combination you should shoot. Use multiple targets on different lanes if you're at a chill range and there aren't other people there. You don't even have to buy them. Just cut out colored pieces of paper or use markers and shit. It doesn't have be fancy or look nice. You'd be surprised what even the slightest amount of stress can do to your speed and accuracy if you aren't used to it. Get a shot timer and time your drills. Try to get faster. Trying to beat the clock adds in another element of stress. Once you can get faster at a drill while maintaining acceptable accuracy, move back 5 yards for pistols or 10-25 yards for rifles and repeat the process.

That will get you a base level competency. A base test I like to gauge where I am at if I'm out of practice or to see where the people I'm teaching are at is the 10 drill. It's got a lot of names and variations. You have 10 seconds to shoots 10 rounds at 10" target (paper plate), at 10 yards. You want the smallest possible group you can manage.
 
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Of course my notifications for this thread are fucking broken, so I haven't read anything since my last post. I was shocked that this thread wasn't active given the current situation.

From what I've gathered, there are not a lot of shooters on KF. Not that that's a bad thing, just doesn't seem to intersect with the userbase.

SA had a solid shooting sub forum until the loons took over but it had a lot of guys who thought Tapco made good products.
 
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From what I've gathered, there are not a lot of shooters on KF. Not that that's a bad thing, just doesn't seem to intersect with the userbase.

SA had a solid shooting sub forum until the loons took over but it had a lot of guys who thought Tapco made good products.
KF being a general use forum is still a relatively new thing as well. People came here to laugh at cows. Sometimes only one cow or a particular subset. I hardly checkout anything besides the threads I'm interested in A&N and the shitposting forum. It's why it sucks when the notifications are broken because I never remember to check back on threads I'm interested in.
 
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Of course my notifications for this thread are fucking broken, so I haven't read anything since my last post. I was shocked that this thread wasn't active given the current situation. I am going to assume you are a new shooter.

The most important thing to bring to a gunfight is friends with guns. The caveat is that they can't be retards who are likely to cause more problems. A group of armed citizens is strong deterrence. Look at what happened to Rittenhouse because he was separated from the group. Hopefully you have friends who shoot. All of my friends who I've gotten into guns over the years are happy that I did even though violence is far, far away from us. My philosophy is that your pistol exists to get you to your rifle. Pistols are immediate access self-defense weapons because you cannot carry a rifle. Your rifle needs a sling. Don't be the guy at the range without a sling.

My advice is to practice the fundamentals. Start close and then work your way back. Begin drawing from the holster or at the low ready to shoot a drill if you're used to just raising the firearm and shooting out your mag in a slow steady string. If you are already a comfortable shooter then you should introduce some stress into your shooting. There are targets with different colored and numbered shapes. Shoot with a partner and have them call out the color/number/shape combination you should shoot. Use multiple targets on different lanes if you're at a chill range and there aren't other people there. You don't even have to buy them. Just cut out colored pieces of paper or use markers and shit. It doesn't have be fancy or look nice. You'd be surprised what even the slightest amount of stress can do to your speed and accuracy if you aren't used to it. Get a shot timer and time your drills. Try to get faster. Trying to beat the clock adds in another element of stress. Once you can get faster at a drill while maintaining acceptable accuracy, move back 5 yards for pistols or 10-25 yards for rifles and repeat the process.

That will get you a base level competency.
I'm not really new to guns in general, but I'm a fairly infrequent shooter, and mostly just recreational. I've never had to think in terms of "holy fuck possible riots in my area and I'm stuck in an apartment". I have a couple pistols and Mossberg 590 but no AR (actually tried to buy one from somebody I know last year and it fell through just before the 'rona invaded). But yeah, I'll try this stuff.
 
I'm not really new to guns in general, but I'm a fairly infrequent shooter, and mostly just recreational. I've never had to think in terms of "holy fuck possible riots in my area and I'm stuck in an apartment". I have a couple pistols and Mossberg 590 but no AR (actually tried to buy one from somebody I know last year and it fell through just before the 'rona invaded). But yeah, I'll try this stuff.
Dry firing can be a great way to diagnose things and build muscle memory when you aren't at the range. Personally I have to do alongside shooting because I have done it all winter long when I'm barely shooting and come spring I have to stop myself from racking the slide after each trigger pull. Some people don't have that problem.

Do you actually get proper sight alignment? Is your grip shit so you're pushing the gun around? Do you have a smooth trigger pull? These are the kinds of questions drying firing can help you answer and allow you to build good muscle memory. Once you think you're smooth, stack some quarters on your front sight with your pistol drawn up to your chest ready to press. Can you press out to a sight picture without the quarters falling off? How quickly can you do it? Can you perform a normal trigger pull without them falling off? Practice things slow and you can build the speed into it.

There are shot timer apps for smartphones. I only used them early on with shitty phones, so they may be better now as phones improved and they'll save you some cash.
 
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Nothing beats time at the range. My range puts on a monthly IDPA match - shooting games like this emphasize shooting quickly and accurately while moving. It shouldn’t been seen as a realistic combat simulation but it can give you an idea of the difficulty in shooting well under stress and help you see where you need to improve.

With the current ammo situation dry fire is a good fall back. I’ve got one of these:
https://laserlyte.com/laser-training
The kind that fits in the chamber; seems to help with seeing how smooth your trigger pull is. Can also use it to work on firing from the draw.
 
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So here's a semi-related question. Given the volatile situation right now, what's the best way to prepare yourself for shit going down? Nevermind supplies, let's assume that's handled. I'm talking about violence (in Minecraft). What should be priorities? Target shooting accuracy? Draw speed? Usage of cover? Other?
All of the above plus physical fitness.

But honestly make a plan, any plan is better than no plan. Sit down and really ask yourself what is the most likely emergency you'll face? what is the worst case scenario for you? Will you bunker down in your home and wait for help? Will you pack up and attempt to move somewhere safer? etc
 
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Straight out of Idlib, Syria, two fellows showing off (from left-to-right) a Polish PM-63 RAK submachine gun with a custom paint job and a Stechkin APS.

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Looks like an attempt to sell this as a BB version so that they could sell it everywhere in cucked blue states.



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How did their arms not fall off.


 
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Also any people done this with their wives?
My entire extended family often has get-togethers so new members can meet the rest of the family and so we can stay connected. Every time, we have multiple property-wide (70 acres total, but mostly only ~30 acres used) NERF and Airsoft battles. Kids vs Adults, Men vs Women, Couples battles, etc. We play capture the flag, last man standing, etc. Most people bring their own, and nearly every family member I know has done this, or has had this done to them by their significant others/children/etc, including myself. There was a story about a cousin's new girlfriend having just gotten home after one of our get-togethers using a HIGHLY modified airsoft rifle (he was big into it at the time) on him instead of the NERF gun because she wasn't thinking what it might feel like without the padding we have everyone wear during our games. She didn't know anything about guns and didn't take it off full-auto, and this HIGHLY MODIFIED airsoft gun had the most absurd fucking fire rate I've ever seen in my life. You know that 'No full auto in buildings' video? His fire rate was like that, but probably even higher. It sounded like a cross between a chainsaw and a tiny minigun when fired in full-auto. She apparently held the trigger for a full two seconds or so before realizing what a massive fuck-up that was.

Needless to say, that mistake was only made once from what I've heard. Everyone else uses NERF darts to annoy family members.
 
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Here's the type of high capacity firearms that existed in the times of our founding fathers here in America.

Lorenzoni flintlock repeating pistol (capacity: 7 shots)
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Pepperbox revolver (capacity: usually 3 - 7 shots)
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Stopler revolver (capacity: 8 shots)
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Duckfoot pistols (capacity: 4 shots with one pull of the trigger)
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You also have rifles, such as:

Nock volley gun (capacity: 7 shots with one pull of the trigger)
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Kalthoff repeater (5-30 shots, depending on the size of the magazine)
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Cookson repeater (capacity: 7 or 9 shots)
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Lemaire marked takedown flintlock Fowler (capacity: 4 shots)
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Belton flintlock musket (capacity: 4 - 12+ shots, depending on model)
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Girandoni air rifle (capacity: 20/21 shots)
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And even proto-machine guns, like the Puckle gun (seen below).

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iirc the puckle gun was mainly used on Naval ships.
Yeah, but you also had other machine guns both during and prior to the FFs, such as Leonardo da Vinci's 33-barreled organ (seen below) and the Chambers flintlock machine gun that could fire 224 shots with one pull of a trigger (also seen below).

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Here's a later chainfire muzzleloader from 1854 that could hold 14 shots.

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There were also many others from the Civil War era (1860-65). Such as:

Gatling 1862 (capacity: 30 - 50 rounds)
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Billinghurst Requa Battery (capacity: 25 shots)
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Ager machine gun
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Vandenberg volley gun (85 shots)
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Williams Smooth Bore Machine Gun
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Claxton machine gun (10-30 shots)
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Gorgas machine gun (10-20 shots)
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But honestly make a plan, any plan is better than no plan. Sit down and really ask yourself what is the most likely emergency you'll face? what is the worst case scenario for you? Will you bunker down in your home and wait for help? Will you pack up and attempt to move somewhere safer? etc

Yep. It doesn't have to be some autistic 50 page plan with additional diagrams and all that, just sit down and think. Look at some maps. Ask yourself some hard questions about what you're willing to leave, where you can go, and what you will do. You will probably never follow Autist Sperg Plan Alpha to the letter, maybe not even in general. In making it, however, you will develop a better understanding of your environment and circumstances that will increase your odds of survival when the moment comes.
 
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A home made, crank-powered machine gun improvised out of a bolt-action Mauser Model 1895 by Evert van Niekerk, an Orange Free State Boer and self-taught amateur gunsmith. He joined one of the BSAP Rhodesian expeditionary columns during the Matabele War as an armorer, a role where he had to repair Maxim machine guns, which were the probable source of inspiration for his own backveld DIY MG. He built his DIY MG shortly after returning home from the Matabele War (I think he might have been from Harrismith, in the Free State). This would have been sometime between 1896 and 1899

His homemade MG, christened the "snel vuurer" or quick-firer, featured a custom extended magazine that was loaded from regular five-round 7x57 Mauser stripper clips. No one is quite sure how many rounds the extended mag could hold, but it's probably somewhere between 20 - 50. A water jacket provided barrel cooling, and a primitive collimator sight tube assisted with aiming. In the photo, you can see Van Niekerk in the foreground with a clip of cartridges, and the MG has the bolt pulled fully back in preparation for loading the next round. The MG was attached to a custom wooden "feldlafette" mount, which included an integral seat for the gunner and springs to reduce vibration from recoil. The mount's wooden elements were embellished with traditional Boer decorative carvings, the same style that would be found on Boer ox wagons.

Van Niekerk to the MG on commando during the 1899-1902 Boer War, where it was used in action on several occasions early in the war on the Western Front (ie northern Cape, southwestern Free State). It didn't get that many opportunities to prove its effectiveness in combat though, since it was not easily horse-portable and had to be transported to the battlefield by wagon. The clunky crank powered action probably resulted in poor stabilization, dispersion and accuracy against individual targets, so it was probably only good as an area of effect weapon against larger massed targets, which would have still been common at that early phase of the war. The high profile and inflexibility of the mount probably made it dangerous and clumsy to use in the kind of mobile warfare that it was employed in by the Free Staters, and it definitely would have performed better in the positional trench warfare experienced by Boers on other fronts of the war.

Its poor mobility resulted in the weapon's destruction, as during a running pursuit from a mounted British column, Van Niekerk and his Free State Commando had to abandon their cumbersome wagons. Not wanting the weapon to fall into British hands, the Boers destroyed it.

All that's left are the two pre-war photos. There used to be a really good South African shooting magazine article about the design and history of this contraption, but it has vanished from the internet so I put down my recollections of the article as best as I can remember them before I forget any more. Fortunately, or unfortunately, everything known about the weapon's function and design principles is guesswork derived from the two photos, so it's not like there was a whole lot known about the mechanical design to begin with.

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Here's some loopholes to American gun laws:

Muzzleloaders - whether it be flintlock, matchlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system or replica thereof or even those newer electricity powered ones (as seen below). These are separated from modern firearms that use conventional centerfire or rimfire ammunition, whether made before 1898 or after or could be converted to chamber such a round as those would fall under the definition of "modern firearm".

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AR-15s - ARs are also NOT firearms under US law because federal regulations define a firearm’s “frame" or "receiver” as the piece considered to be the gun itself. But in an AR-15, the receiver is split into upper and lower parts — and some of the components listed in the definition are contained in the upper half. This tiny detail alone has allowed many convicted felons to walk. That has also led judges to rule that a lower receiver alone cannot be considered a gun because of this. In Europe, the defining parts of a gun are usually the parts that have to bear pressure, such as the barrel, the bolt, the gas pistons, etc.

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That AR is not a firearm thing has been tried before and the ATF squashed it hard. If the court doesn't recognize it, ree-ing about it online won't change it.
 
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