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Jigglyjogglers said:
It's sort of an interesting litmus test for how people view the world, I think. Not a hard and fast one, but on being told that you're richer due to a better quality of life, more freedom, greater access to what are effectively modern miracles, your wealth going further, less effort required on your part to survive, people seem to have one of two reactions:
  1. Yup, modern life is awesome, wouldn't trade it for a king's castle in 1020.
  2. Yeah but there are still a bunch of people richer than me so it doesn't matter how much progress we've made I'm still a peasant.
For some people it's not enough that even those technically living below the poverty line have better lives than even royalty in ages gone past, can expect to live longer, survive catastrophic events better, and certainly have access to more fonts of learning and entertainment than any of those people could have dreamed. That speaks of an ingrained jealousy, a fact that they can only measure success or prosperity by judging whether others are higher or lower than themselves.

Living your life comparing your success against the success of others is one of the most depressing, poisonous things you can do. I'm not even kidding, if you catch yourself doing this, you should absolutely challenge those thoughts when possible. You should always validate yourself by the measure of your own accomplishments and what you have, rather than sourly eyeballing them against someone else. There's no way you can be happy or successful when you measure happiness and success by whether or not you're the happiest, most successful person you know of.
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Yep. Consider that something as simple as getting a cavity filled in a tooth or a colonoscopy, routine things I've had done in the last 5 years, would've been impossible for even ROYALTY to have had done 200 to 500 years ago, and even the richest man had to suffer pain and poor health from dental or intestinal maladies for years, maybe even decades, until final death. With NO cure? Not because it was expensive, but because it DIDN'T EXIST?

The idea to THEM that in the future we could not only stop your tooth pain, but, even if the old one was broken, we could give you brand-new one in the form of a crown, identical to your original, that would last the rest of your life? And you'll feel NO pain in getting it installed despite the fact they have to drill out the old one because of topical painkillers?

It would've sounded like some divine intervention.

Or that a blockage in your intestines could be cleared in a matter of less than an hour? With a medical procedure that you won't even REMEMBER because they'll be able to put you to sleep for it? As in, you wake up cured? Having no recollection of a surgery? No pain? No scars? No ... nothing... except being too groggy for the next 6 hours to be allowed near heavy machinery?

Or that bad eyesight can be rectified by laser surgery that you can sit in a chair for and not feel a thing?

And that antibiotics mean that a wound to an arm means not only is amputation unlikely, but, if it comes to that, you'll be considered an extreme outlier? And we can still take it off without any pain? And you might even be able to be fitted with a prosthetic? And we don't mean a hook or a peg, but one that can at least grip and pick things up again?

Viewed in this light, it strikes me as rather uncouth to bitch about the fact that these things cost money, in some cases, a LOT of money, and that even with insurance, your out-of-pocket expenses for these procedures could be substantial. Because not that long ago in history, not even the literal 5 richest Kings of Europe could have had what you can have done on an outpatient basis without ever feeling any pain to anything other than your wallet....

So I do roll my eyes a bit at those who demand they should get what would look like a literal MIRACLE cure to someone from the Middle Ages up to just the dawn of the Industrial Age for FREE on top of just having the ABILITY to opt-in for things others would have KILLED to get in line for.

So every time I have to go to the ER, or strap into a chair for a procedure, I will never, ever EVER complain about the bill because think of how many people suffered with NO alternative to pave the way for you to have the OPTION to pay a hospital for a few years instead of rotting from the inside out?
 
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Übertroon said:
To be fair the system fucks you in more subtle ways if the provided care is poor, ways that are way more evident if you live with a universal healthcare system

Here's some of the bullshit my family has experienced over the years
- Having to wait months for doctor appointments, surgery, or test results
- Overworked or just lazy doctors who just throw antibiotics or steroids at you if they can't diagnose your issue in five seconds
- Refusal to perform a biopsy or endoscopy on my uncle even though he had dried blood in his stool (spoilers it was stomach cancer that killed him)
- Shitty surgeons who fuck you up
- Unclean hospitals where you'll get an infection just looking at the walls
- You share your hospital room with a dozen other people, none of them who understand basic etiquette

I'm sure Trump has better care than your average Joe, but to expect everyone to be given immediate attention 24/7 is unrealistic, no system on earth functions that way
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Yes, there's plenty of problems with our healthcare system. Obamacare killed the drive to fix them, but that's a rant for another thread.

I was focusing more on the Covid response, which is different from long term care issues. I strongly doubt there's an American hospital that kicked out dying Covid patients instead of helping them. This isn't like the Swine Flu situation yet, where we needed shots of TamiFlu but there was a shortage.

(Who was in charge of getting TamiFlu dosages out? Oh right, some joke named Joe Biden, who told people not to go to confined places and sparked a panic while Obama was trying to keep things calm. Then he got put in charge of coordinating TamiFlu production and couldn't do that either. I wonder whatever happened to that loser?)

Anyway: Trump's doctors remain cautious and recommend a much longer quarantine.

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Übertroon said:
To be fair the system fucks you in more subtle ways if the provided care is poor, ways that are way more evident if you live with a universal healthcare system

Here's some of the bullshit my family has experienced over the years
- Having to wait months for doctor appointments, surgery, or test results
- Overworked or just lazy doctors who just throw antibiotics or steroids at you if they can't diagnose your issue in five seconds
- Refusal to perform a biopsy or endoscopy on my uncle even though he had dried blood in his stool (spoilers it was stomach cancer that killed him)
- Shitty surgeons who fuck you up
- Unclean hospitals where you'll get an infection just looking at the walls
- You share your hospital room with a dozen other people, none of them who understand basic etiquette

I'm sure Trump has better care than your average Joe, but to expect everyone to be given immediate attention 24/7 is unrealistic, no system on earth functions that way
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Reminds me of some of the incredibly stupid nurses I've gotten to come across this past year, some believing Rona was a cover up for 5G cell phone towers and one thinking John Wilkes Booth built a futuristic city in the sky at some point because their roommate was playing a game she called 'Biosphere' that she figured was based on real events.
 
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SBG said:
Reminds me of some of the incredibly stupid nurses I've gotten to come across this past year, some believing Rona was a cover up for 5G cell phone towers and one thinking John Wilkes Booth built a futuristic city in the sky at some point because their roommate was playing a game she called 'Biosphere' that she figured was based on real events.
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Sounds like Bioshock Infinite sorta?
 
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Sounds like Bioshock Infinite sorta?
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That was my assumption, I thought she was talking about a novel at first, then she even mentioned her roommate laughing about her thinking the video game was based on real events, but she still felt there might've been something to it.

I've gotten to talk to so many nurses this past year it spooked me into sanitizing everything constantly as I'd never want to end up sick and in the care of these insane and stupid people. I can't imagine getting sick or breaking a leg and being in the care of someone that thinks video games are real.
 
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The chief measuring stick for why the system still stands today is not "are you better off than 1000 years ago?" but "are you better off than the third world hellholes?".

So long as America (for all of it's NUMEROUS flaws) is still better than most third world shit holes, the average citizen won't want to burn everything to the ground.

It's once the bread and circus shit starts to collapse that countries go from first world to third world and we've already seen the left nuke from orbit the circus part of bread and circus. The moment that we start seeing massive food shortages and REAL shortages, IE grocery stores going months on end with no new shipments and people start selling everything they own to buy what little food that is available (at jacked up prices), THEN the shit is going to hit the fan and in a cataclysmic fashion that will fuck everything up.

There is the cliche that a democracy is only about 4-5 missed meals away from being torn down. America still can feed even the poorest of the poor at the moment even as the shit that is supposed to distract us becomes more and more HIV POZZED by the anti-life brigade. They've taken the circus away, but when the bread goes bye-bye, we are all FUBARed and that's when shit gets bad. Super bad.
 
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