2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

[Harvey Danger]

The last landslide in recent memory would be Obama in 2008, and that's mainly because of the conditions unique to that specific election. Between the hype of the "first black president" and how everyone was already pissed at Bush and the GOP, it was going to be a blowout.

Even then, Obama's 2008 win was only a landslide by the most narrow of margins. Especially when you view it in the context of previous landslides like 1980 and 1996. Not even getting into the freak landslides of 1972 and 1984, of course.

Considering the Democratic ticket this year, you may get a chance to bring up their 1972 debacle anyway.

 

[break these cuffs]

I actually saw a Jorgensen sign just recently which surprised me.

I saw one the other day and assumed it was for a state rep or something until reading the past couple pages.

 

[CrippleThreat]

Considering the Democratic ticket this year, you may get a chance to bring up their 1972 debacle anyway.

Aside from Eagleton's healrh, McGovern was a jobber candidate. Nixon managed to pull an LBJ and make people hate McGovern because of his very liberal ideas (a la crazy Goldwater). And add in the idea that Nixon really wanted to win '72...

 

[Vaclav]

Kamala's been practically invisible lately, hasn't she? Her approval numbers must be absolutely heinous for them to hide her like this. Why isn't she doing events with Joe? Does she just spike the poll numbers down whenever she shows her face?

 

[he who has thus come/gone]

Kamala's been practically invisible lately, hasn't she? Her approval numbers must be absolutely heinous for them to hide her like this. Why isn't she doing events with Joe? Does she just spike the poll numbers down whenever she shows her face?

Probably frantically preparing for tomorrow's debate. She's the type that needs to be fully prepared and rehearsed to sound good, otherwise when she's caught off-guard then she crashes and burns.

 

[Harvey Danger]

Kamala's been practically invisible lately, hasn't she? Her approval numbers must be absolutely heinous for them to hide her like this. Why isn't she doing events with Joe? Does she just spike the poll numbers down whenever she shows her face?

That last time she made headlines from an event it was for visiting a Venezuelan restaurant in Miami, the owners got pissed and said she wouldn't be welcomed there if they knew she was coming. The last time she made headlines for saying something, it was for talking about the "Harris Administration" instead of a Biden Administration.

The most clown world thing about that ticket is they realized Harris needs to hide more than Biden. That's gotta be rough on the Big Brains who anointed her as The True Candidate last year.

 

[Mr. Manchester]

Probably frantically preparing for tomorrow's debate. She's the type that needs to be fully prepared and rehearsed to sound good, otherwise when she's caught off-guard then she crashes and burns.

Pence is no slouch either. I remember him absolutely embarrassing Tim Kane 4 years ago. He's got this, "you're full of shit" look he does perfectly.

 

[GuntPunt]

Source on that, this is the first time I heard of this

Basic rundown: ORC were CNN's pollster and were known specifically for it for their long partnership with CNN. They were fired after early 2017, hence why they don't appear on the top anymore. The last CNN/ORC poll I can find was in late April 2017, presumably since they didn't renew their contract or something. Now, CNN uses SSRS.

 

[Exterminatus]

It just depends whoever they can get to respond. They use landlines, cell phones, and online. I do a lot of online surveys, so I've done a lot of presidential polls.

Yeah, YouGov is notoriously bad for their online surveys, they just ask if you're registered to vote and you click "Yes" and move on even if you're not registered or even if you're not going to vote. The other stuff is true too, older people tend to use landlines more than cell phones or the internet while middle age people tend to use cell phones and the internet more. Some people don't necessarily trust polls with their anonymity either, which factors into stuff like the "Shy Trump voter" effect along with the vitriol open Trump supporters can face depending on where they live, so you may have actual Trump voters just straight up lie to a pollster and say they're voting for Biden but on the 3rd they're punching Trump into their machine. Older people also tend to do these types of polls more compared to younger people so that's another factor and guys like Nate Silver seem to be under the impression that the youth vote is going to help carry Biden when the youth vote is historically notorious for not turning out for elections.

Interestingly though in 2016 Trump carried 32% of the youth vote which was larger than most polls estimated that he would and another thing is that young Trump voters were much more excited and enthusiastic about Trump while young Hillary voters weren't which seems to continue the trend that people voting for Trump tend to carry that enthusiasm whereas Biden voters don't and Hillary voters didn't either.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2016/11/21/how-millennials-voted/

Pence is no slouch either. I remember him absolutely embarrassing Tim Kane 4 years ago. He's got this, "you're full of shit" look he does perfectly.

Pence, at least to me, tends to come across very calm and collected and not a guy that's easily rattled even when he got heckled a while back at the Hamilton play by the actors because he was electrocuting all the gays and throwing trannies into death camps or something. Kamala, I suspect, is going to try to hit him with the race card as much as she can but I wouldn't be surprised if he brought up her past as a prosecutor again. He's not as aggressive as Trump but hopefully he won't let the moderator walk all over him and stand his ground on whatever he's bringing to the table for the debate; I don't think debate will as spicy as the Trump/Biden debate was.

 

[CrippleThreat]

Pence, at least to me, tends to come across very calm and collected and not a guy that's easily rattled even when he got heckled a while back at the Hamilton play by the actors because he was electrocuting all the gays and throwing trannies into death camps or something. Kamala, I suspect, is going to try to hit him with the race card as much as she can but I wouldn't be surprised if he brought up her past as a prosecutor again. He's not as aggressive as Trump but hopefully he won't let the moderator walk all over him and stand his ground on whatever he's bringing to the table for the debate; I don't think debate will as spicy as the Trump/Biden debate was.

Kamala will definitely pull a Tim Kaine; her only smears and rebuffs against Pence will be driven by how bad Trump is.

I can just see her arguments:
- "In the span of 3½ years, President Trump wreaked havoc on our nation claiming he was going to "make it great again." He hasn't. He's lied repeatedly, and has disgraced the prestigious office. And you just stood there, watching him. What do you have to say for yourself, Vice President?"

- "The president has disregarded everything necessary about the current pandemic; he has shown it towards scientists, medical experts, and the fields of study themselves. He has proven to the majority of Americans that he is a leader who does not believe in the facts put before him in any dire situation, and will continue to do as he pleases if it means that facts agree with him. What do you have to say, Vice President?"
- "The president has also contracted the virus itself. You're his closest partner and right-hand man. Why didn't you stop him from doing what he wanted to do, even in this pandemic? Your answer, Vice President?"

All Pence needs to do really needs to do tbh is:
- For the suburban moms, tell how Kamala wanted to jail families if their kids couldn't make it to school often and laughed about it on national television.

- For the minorities (if they even care to watch), just spill the beans on her record as a DA, as well as the neo-slavery she put on black people especially for the Prison Industrial Complex.

- Mention and dig into "A Harris Administration with Joe Biden." For extra shits and giggles, Pence can go all out, and tell Kamala that her campaign was so awful, she lost miserably, and the establishment had to thrust Biden into the spotlight as a fail-safe. Tell her that the only reason she's here right now facing him is because she lost her chance to become president directly, so they're using this poor old man to Trojan horse her into office.
- Pence could say that the first female president should be inspirational, and having her be sworn in via succession, rather than by election really sets up a precedent for generations of young American women.

Either way, this is a woman who spectacularly failed accusing her soon running mate of racism while her face was sad, and he simply dunked on her and got roaring applause for coming at her with "...on the federal level." I won't even bring up Tulsi.

Along with Bloomberg, de Blasio, and some others, she was one the worst candidates up on that debate stage.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Classic Biden

 

[likeacrackado]

Guessing that they make abortion a central part of the debate. With the Supreme Court nomination and some of the more recent talk about Roe v Wade the stage is set to rile up the female vote. Pence probably won't back down at all cause hes carries the religious right for Trump. They may lean hard into the hilarious "Handmaids Tale" style references to Trump/Pence enslaving women to serve evil white male stereotypes

 

[BeboRefugee]

I'm surprised pollsters aren't predicting turnout will be lower this time around. Substantially lower.
2016's race was inescapable, from the primaries on both sides right up until election day. Now though? Trump has his base, and hopefully holds on to most of what he already held, but what does Biden have? Enthusiasm during the Democratic primaries declined precipitously from 2016. Viewers were tuning out well before Iowa, and everything after Iowa was a rolling farce for all involved.. then coronavirus denied Biden a high-profile victory lap. He just sorta got it by default with his controlled opposition exiting like good cucks..
Where are all these imagined new voters coming from? Why does Nate Nitrogen presume youth turnout will be up? For Old Man Joe? At least Trump is a bit wacky and bombastic. If I were 18 I'd be disappointed if Biden won, solely because he was boring as VP and would be boring again-- denying me 4 years of Trump hilarity.
I get the sense anybody who wasn't politically engaged in 2019 has completely tuned out of politics this year. Lockdowns and Netflix has made that easier, since they're not getting confronted in person with political junkies. The media is biased but what else is new?

 

[Trust Me I Know]

Kamala will definitely pull a Tim Kaine; her only smears and rebuffs against Pence will be driven by how bad Trump is.

I can just see her arguments:
- "In the span of 3½ years, President Trump wreaked havoc on our nation claiming he was going to "make it great again." He hasn't. He's lied repeatedly, and has disgraced the prestigious office. And you just stood there, watching him. What do you have to say for yourself, Vice President?"

- "The president has disregarded everything necessary about the current pandemic; he has shown it towards scientists, medical experts, and the fields of study themselves. He has proven to the majority of Americans that he is a leader who does not believe in the facts put before him in any dire situation, and will continue to do as he pleases if it means that facts agree with him. What do you have to say, Vice President?"
- "The president has also contracted the virus itself. You're his closest partner and right-hand man. Why didn't you stop him from doing what he wanted to do, even in this pandemic? Your answer, Vice President?"

All Pence needs to do really needs to do tbh is:
- For the suburban moms, tell how Kamala wanted to jail families if their kids couldn't make it to school often and laughed about it on national television.

- For the minorities (if they even care to watch), just spill the beans on her record as a DA, as well as the neo-slavery she put on black people especially for the Prison Industrial Complex.

- Mention and dig into "A Harris Administration with Joe Biden." For extra shits and giggles, Pence can go all out, and tell Kamala that her campaign was so awful, she lost miserably, and the establishment had to thrust Biden into the spotlight as a fail-safe. Tell her that the only reason she's here right now facing him is because she lost her chance to become president directly, so they're using this poor old man to Trojan horse her into office.
- Pence could say that the first female president should be inspirational, and having her be sworn in via succession, rather than by election really sets up a precedent for generations of young American women.

Either way, this is a woman who spectacularly failed accusing her soon running mate of racism while her face was sad, and he simply dunked on her and got roaring applause for coming at her with "...on the federal level." I won't even bring up Tulsi.

Along with Bloomberg, de Blasio, and some others, she was one the worst candidates up on that debate stage.

Or just say she thinks her running mate is both a racist and a rapist. Then drop the mic and walk out. I'd vote for him in 2024 if he did that.

 

[samuraicrack]

lmao Trump is holding another stimulus package hostage until he wins

 

[Orange Man Costume]

This guy was doing digging on Biden's dementia and I guess found enough to tease a drop in a few days.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ali/status/1313235026461503492

His video teases a partial quote from Obama's and Trumps former physician Ronny Jackson where he commented on Biden and dimentia.

Also this happened.

https://mobile.twitter.com/SamanthaCortese/status/1313490586293489665

 

[Harvey Danger]

lmao Trump is holding another stimulus package hostage until he wins

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Remember when it was shocking that the federal deficit hit $1 trillion? Now that's the low figure for a completely unpaid for "stimulus bill". Time for power law and economics to kick someone in the head again.

Also, Trump shouldn't be saying "Democratic States" when he's talking about adversarial politics like this. He should be trying to befriend the people in those states, and criticize Democratic governments. The people know their politicians suck, but this can be read as attacking the entire state instead of just the politicians.

He's got an opportunity here to smack the Democratic machines around with some real populism, and he's squandering it by using 2000s era Red State vs Blue State phrasing.

 

[heyitsmike]

Also, Trump shouldn't be saying "Democratic States" when he's talking about adversarial politics like this. He should be trying to befriend the people in those states, and criticize Democratic governments. The people know their politicians suck, but this can be read as attacking the entire state instead of just the politicians.

He's got an opportunity here to smack the Democratic machines around with some real populism, and he's squandering it by using 2000s era Red State vs Blue State phrasing.

I'm calling bullshit. The Democrat voters in those states already have TDS are not winnable. The rest of the voters in those states know their governors and legislatures are shit and don't hold it against them that he calls it out.

This will lose him exactly zero (0) votes. Not one (1) person will turn against him for saying it.

 

[ConfederateIrishman]

I'm calling bullshit. The Democrat voters in those states already have TDS are not winnable. The rest of the voters in those states know their governors and legislatures are shit and don't hold it against them that he calls it out.

This will lose him exactly zero (0) votes. Not one (1) person will turn against him for saying it.

Ah yes, I wonder if you will say the same thing if Flordia ever flips blue due to demographic changes.

 

[UselessIdiot]

I'm surprised pollsters aren't predicting turnout will be lower this time around. Substantially lower.
2016's race was inescapable, from the primaries on both sides right up until election day. Now though? Trump has his base, and hopefully holds on to most of what he already held, but what does Biden have? Enthusiasm during the Democratic primaries declined precipitously from 2016. Viewers were tuning out well before Iowa, and everything after Iowa was a rolling farce for all involved.. then coronavirus denied Biden a high-profile victory lap. He just sorta got it by default with his controlled opposition exiting like good cucks..
Where are all these imagined new voters coming from? Why does Nate Nitrogen presume youth turnout will be up? For Old Man Joe? At least Trump is a bit wacky and bombastic. If I were 18 I'd be disappointed if Biden won, solely because he was boring as VP and would be boring again-- denying me 4 years of Trump hilarity.
I get the sense anybody who wasn't politically engaged in 2019 has completely tuned out of politics this year. Lockdowns and Netflix has made that easier, since they're not getting confronted in person with political junkies. The media is biased but what else is new?

Not to mention that 2016's turnout wasn't really all that high. It decreased from 2012. I don't see how 2020 could best either one of those elections.

This election overall is pretty subdued, and Biden's too boring and unmotivating to drive turnout, even with TDS rampant.