Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[teriyakiburns]

I'm tired of the hysteria now.

I'm pretty sure they slapped it on GitHub, I read through some of it, it was trash and completely untested. The need to shutdown was pretty self evident anyway, I'm not sure why they needed labcoats to tell them that and why they waited until late March by which time the virus had already firmly established itself in the UK. They had two months and they squandered it.

No. What was needed was to protect the people most vulnerable to it and let everyone else go about their business, dealing with outbreaks where they occurred with local responses, rather than applying national lockdowns that were informed by panic and justified by nonsense.

Excel is not a database. Why would you trust something so important to a small-medium business office productivity program?

I can't decide whether I want to punch their CTO or buy them a drink.

The "database" was probably compiled by technicians and technical assistants, rather than being properly farmed out to whatever IT department exists to develop a proper (for a given value of "proper") database using dedicated tools. Even an access DB would have been more reliable.

The reason is convenience. They wanted to pass the data around instead of accessing a custom tool. They wanted to do it with the tools they understood. They wanted to e-mail it to one another and fiddle with the lines directly, because it's important work that can't wait. It's always important work that can't wait, too. This is the reason excel is being used for such inappropriate tasks all the time: government departments are staffed by overpaid, under-educated, lazy morons doing largely pointless makework. They in turn interact with people who operate in tightly confioned niches, in which they're highly skilled and knowledgeable, but who have no technical know-how and just use the simplest thing they can find to enter up tables of data.

 

[Sage In All Fields]

No. What was needed was to protect the people most vulnerable to it and let everyone else go about their business, dealing with outbreaks where they occurred with local responses, rather than applying national lockdowns that were informed by panic and justified by nonsense.

In the early days we didn't have the tools needed to track outbreaks so this wouldn't have been possible, even now tests are fairly unreliable. Panic is not an inherently bad thing, when there's an escaped fucking bioweapon on the loose in China that's been covered up for the past month and a bit and flights are still running that's most definitely a good time to be panicking.

 

[teriyakiburns]

In the early days we didn't have the tools needed to track outbreaks so this wouldn't have been possible, even now tests are fairly unreliable. Panic is not an inherently bad thing, when there's an escaped fucking bioweapon on the loose in China that's been covered up for the past month and a bit and flights are still running that's most definitely a good time to be panicking.

What fucking tools? Contact tracing means tracking down people who were likely in contact with someone who showed symptoms, and is something that has been well-practiced for more than a century at this point. All the bluetooth pinging shit is performative nonsense, designed to make up for the fact that multiple western governments have repeatedly cocked up every response they've had to this. It does nothing but drain your battery and induce another reason to keep checking your stupid phone.

Locking up healthy populations to avoid making a tiny minority ill is the most retarded way to deal with this. Of course that tiny minority should have been given protection, but " protection" does not mean forcing everyone into practical quarantine.

edit because double-posting is for queers

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-54431900

https://archive.is/wip/TPGsi

A grieving woman is told she can't be touched by her closest family. A jumped-up little shit gleefully forces a distraught family to comply with his demands, because now he has the power to make their lives just that tiny bit more miserable than they were before, and he revels in it.

Gimme MOTI stickers, because I fucking am.

 

[Sage In All Fields]

What fucking tools? Contact tracing means tracking down people who were likely in contact with someone who showed symptoms, and is something that has been well-practiced for more than a century at this point.

Contact tracing on the scale we need it isn't possible and kind of doesn't work when there aren't enough tests, the tests are shit and people can be completely asymptomatic.

All the bluetooth pinging shit is performative nonsense, designed to make up for the fact that multiple western governments have repeatedly cocked up every response they've had to this. It does nothing but drain your battery and induce another reason to keep checking your stupid phone.

Correct.

Locking up healthy populations to avoid making a tiny minority ill is the most retarded way to deal with this. Of course that tiny minority should have been given protection, but " protection" does not mean forcing everyone into practical quarantine.

Except characterising it as a 'tiny minority' is just completely misrepresenting the situation, if you let it run wild it quickly becomes a leading cause of death, we've seen this in Italy, US, Brazil etc. Yeah no shit when you address a risk the risk goes down.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

First Reason article describes something I have been trying to grasp...why I despise the phrase “the new normal.” It announces the desire and intent for this to not go away, ever. We should all be working toward restoring normalcy. Guess what, NOBODY WANTS TO ACCEPT THIS FOREVER and that’s the intent you are displaying. Terrible optics. You are telling people to have no hope. You should avoid that. The left would have much better traction here if they’d at least pretend a return to normal is the goal...but lol, they’re owned by various forces like blacks and troons and commies who would never stop screeching about how the old normal was actually terrible!!! and a desire to return to it is Whiteness, so I guess they can’t do that.

I agree, to paraphrase Stan Marsh in the Pandemic Special: "I want my old life back".

 

[RumblyTumbly]

I agree, to paraphrase Stan Marsh in the Pandemic Special: "I want my old life back".

I would like to add to that "And I'm tired of being told I'm a bad person for wanting that"

 

[The Demon]

What fucking tools? Contact tracing means tracking down people who were likely in contact with someone who showed symptoms, and is something that has been well-practiced for more than a century at this point. All the bluetooth pinging shit is performative nonsense, designed to make up for the fact that multiple western governments have repeatedly cocked up every response they've had to this. It does nothing but drain your battery and induce another reason to keep checking your stupid phone.

Locking up healthy populations to avoid making a tiny minority ill is the most retarded way to deal with this. Of course that tiny minority should have been given protection, but " protection" does not mean forcing everyone into practical quarantine.

edit because double-posting is for queers

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-54431900

https://archive.md/wip/TPGsi

A grieving woman is told she can't be touched by her closest family. A jumped-up little shit gleefully forces a distraught family to comply with his demands, because now he has the power to make their lives just that tiny bit more miserable than they were before, and he revels in it.

Gimme MOTI stickers, because I fucking am.

I wouldn't call the response "cocked up". In the US, the governor of michigan and mayor of new york city decided to ignore donald trump's emergency hospitals built for covid 19, instead opting to put patients in nursing homes of all places. That's not cocked up, that's fucked up

 

[Peace and Harmony]

I fucking love science!

 

[Aib Ld]

I fucking love science!

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Next, they'll tell us to sleep with a mask on.

 

[Bosmadden]

I wouldn't call the response "cocked up". In the US, the governor of michigan and mayor of new york city decided to ignore donald trump's emergency hospitals built for covid 19, instead opting to put patients in nursing homes of all places. That's not cocked up, that's fucked up

You're right they could have put positive nursing home patients into field hospitals, they were already set up to act as Sanitariums, but they refused. The same pattern has repeated in all countries with high mortality rates from Covid, positive patients either been deliberately put among the non infected or positive patients from nursing homes being refused admission into hospital so they could be isolated and prevent spread.

We know we can pretty much drive down the mortality rate of Covid to a mild seasonal flu if we can keep it out of nursing homes. But if we were successful in doing that there would be no need for us to have lockdowns, not hard to guess the motive.

 

[Fliddaroonie]

All the money was probably being funneled into trying to end the NHS

The end of the NHS is being bought about by one thing and one thing only: it is being crushed because of the amount of money it wastes on troons and fat cunts and spastics who can't take their failure to spawn as a hint and demanding IVF. Until we stop throwing money at lifestyle related demands and sickness caused by gluttony it will be on the verge of collapse

Contact tracing on the scale we need it isn't possible and kind of doesn't work when there aren't enough tests, the tests are shit and people can be completely asymptomatic.


Correct.


Except characterising it as a 'tiny minority' is just completely misrepresenting the situation, if you let it run wild it quickly becomes a leading cause of death, we've seen this in Italy, US, Brazil etc. Yeah no shit when you address a risk the risk goes down.

With only 20% ever showing symptoms we don't need shit pal. Have you ever stopped to ask yourself just why governments are losing their shit over a virus that only 20% get symptoms for???

And before anyone chimes in with but much long covid or some people die1122 well that's life . People die and sometimes you few like shit after being sick. Its crap.

The hysteria is being perpetuated because people still have the means to sit at home and watch the shit that passes for news.

 

[Sage In All Fields]

With only 20% ever showing symptoms we don't need shit pal.

20% is the percentage of people who are asymptomatic, you've got the stat backwards

https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.1003346

Have you ever stopped to ask yourself just why governments are losing their shit over a virus that only 20% get symptoms for???

Have you?

People die and sometimes you few like shit after being sick. Its crap.

Except for the fact that SARS patients are still suffering almost two decades later.

 

[Fliddaroonie]

20% is the percentage of people who are asymptomatic, you've got the stat backwards

https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.1003346

Have you?


Except for the fact that SARS patients are still suffering almost two decades later.

I really don't buy into the hype and I am amazed at the number of people who do. If you're a healthy weight, not a butter golem, not old and have no pre-existing medical conditions then you'll almost likely be fine. It's not a massive issue and people are only losing their shit over it because the very idea that something small and invisible can kill us is unconscionable to their almighty, overinflated egos.


What makes me laugh is that both these things have come from China, and people really aren't fussed. They dropped a plague jar twice, and once was bad enough, but now they've done it again, only they've been lying the whole time with this. From their buttfucking of the WHO and getting them bent over a table, and by not being upfront from the outset. But people have taken those both on the chin because anything foreign is doubpleplusgood, anything not is doubleplusbad.


Sorrynotsorry, this has not resulted in the mas graves and bodies in the street scenario people were rubbing one out over at the start. And it won't. All the people who are dying who are young and "healthy" are fucking porkorcs. It's actually beautiful. This virus loves the fatties. It's doing us a favour. I do not care if fat people die en masse, this is faster than them eating themselves to death and takes an immesurable burden off healthcare too.

I'm not going to buy into the hysteria you're trying to perpetuate, sorry. Been there, had it, fought it off in a week or so, was back to work after two, was feeling fine within a month. I don't care. I can't care, when the current rhetoric relies on "cases" of deaths that are all filed as "OF covid" when there are clearly people not dying of it, but who have died and had a PM +ve test. I am not going to care until Governments start releasing full accurate daily figures. it's all good talking of cases, it keeps the spastics nicely worked up and scared, but how many have symptoms, how many are very ill, and how many are sick enough to go to Hospital? Until they start talking frankly and honestly not just tossing the word cases about so brain dead little tards who gobble down all the shit the MSM puts out, I can't and I won't take it seriously, and that is all the more so for having had it myself.


If you're looking for a convert, then you're not going to find one in me.

 

[Sage In All Fields]

I really don't buy into the hype and I am amazed at the number of people who do. If you're a healthy weight, not a butter golem, not old and have no pre-existing medical conditions then you'll almost likely be fine.

You do realise that's like... most people right?

What makes me laugh is that both these things have come from China, and people really aren't fussed. They dropped a plague jar twice, and once was bad enough, but now they've done it again, only they've been lying the whole time with this. From their buttfucking of the WHO and getting them bent over a table, and by not being upfront from the outset. But people have taken those both on the chin because anything foreign is doubpleplusgood, anything not is doubleplusbad.

Cool but I'm not 'people', borders should have been locked down in January.

I'm not going to buy into the hysteria you're trying to perpetuate, sorry. Been there, had it, fought it off in a week or so, was back to work after two, was feeling fine within a month.

Cool well I had a bike accident and didn't get a concussion, clearly riding into lampposts is safe.

 

[Fliddaroonie]

You do realise that's like... most people right?


Cool but I'm not 'people', borders should have been locked down in January.


Cool well I had a bike accident and didn't get a concussion, clearly riding into lampposts is safe.

No, about a third of us are not disgusting fucking gluttons who treat their bodies like fucking shit. The world is overpopulated, and why exactly should I give a single, solitary, flying fuck about people who prioritise gobbling down shit food because they've the impulse control of a dropped on the head in infancy toddler, and cannot and will not care for themselves?


I don't. The world is massively, grossly overpopulated and in the West is is filled to bursting with fat, disgusting cunts who do not care enough about themselves to put the fucking food down. Let them die. I could not give any less of a fuck.

Let them die. Seriously. The fat cunts are the biggest most prolific consoomers and they're crippling the health service. The only good they can do is dying at this point and if this hurries it along then fucking wonderful. Really. Bring it on.


Seriously, we've been saying for fucking decades "being fat will kill you" and in spite of it there is a proliferation of disgusting, obese morons - go look at the Deathfats thread to see the types I mean and the delusional, harmful shit they spout - not only refuting that and refusing to accept it, but they actively deny the harm theydo to themselves with their gluttunous, slothful habits. This is where it has got them, being seven times more likely to need a vent/3 times more likely to die from a variant of the same virus that causes the cold and the flu. How's healthy at every size working out for them now, eh? I hear Home Depot has a special on XXXXXXXL body bags.

 

[Sage In All Fields]

No, about a third of us are not disgusting fucking gluttons who treat their bodies like fucking shit.

Nice job ignoring all the other things you included in that big long list.

Would you support the genocide of fat people? Because that seems to be the logical conclusion of the rest of your tirade.

 

[Fliddaroonie]

Nice job ignoring all the other things you included in that big long list.

Would you support the genocide of fat people? Because that seems to be the logical conclusion of the rest of your tirade.

This is derailing the thread somewhat. What I will say is this: All the people I know losing their shit the hadest over this are fat. And instead of using their time off work to get to grips with their shitty eating habits, and starting to use MFP and sticking to a calorie deficit - which would be far easier if you're shopping online and away form work/bars/fast food - they've gorged and binged and carrie don with their shitty habits, and now those chickens are coming home to roost. I don't have an electron microscope to film the tiny violin I have, sorry.


It's genuinely hilarious how people will, on the one hand be all !I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE!!!!" but on the other be "BUT MUH SENT POINT FEEREEEMUH GUHNETIKZ/MUH METABUHLISM/MUH BIG BONEZ/I IS HELFEEEEEEE AT TREE HUNNER PUUNNDS!!!". The hypocrisy is hilarious to watch.


Edited to say: It's not genocide to kill those with a death wish. We know full goddamn well how harmful being fat is. It kills. 80% of people who lose a limb to type two beetus are fucking DEAD within 5 years. Fats who have heart attacks only live longer because they have them far youngeet than healthy weight people. 25 years back type two juvenile diabetes DID NOT EXIST. There's some stats, you like those, right?

All this because people are lazy gluttons. the only logical conclusion is fat people who carry on being fat, in spite of all the evidence saying it will fuck you up, must want to die. And humane and legislated suicide for those who want to die is touted by the left as the humane and decent thing to do.


Further edit: The real tragedy in this is people are still, even when it's right in front of their noses, unable to see how harmful being fat is and still clinging to the stupid lies they tell themselves to feel better about this. I'd hoped people would take the chance to have a few months off work and get on top of their weight, away from places selling shit food and those office worker colleagues who get buttmad if you don't want to eat a whole day's worth of calories because they bought in cake, and goddamn,t hey're a persistent crab so stay in the fucking bucket. It's not been like that though.


If that's what people have chosen then I guess that's up to them. But it's a stupid choice and it will leave them far more likely to die than people who weigh a healthy amount of a virus that has three main targets: the old, the otherwise sick and the fat.

 

[Sage In All Fields]

It's not genocide to kill those with a death wish.

Can't agree with you there, people should be made to live, against their will if necessary.

 

[DrunkenDozing]

I fucking love science!

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Its getting increasingly hard to not picture most politicians and their medical industry frat buddies coming up with his shit at a country club roundtable, laughing their asses off over what goofy shit they can get people to do next. Waiting for when they make people start hopping on one foot or standing on their hands.

 

[Fliddaroonie]

Can't agree with you there, people should be made to live, against their will if necessary.

Well, you're perfectly entitled to do so, but I can't say I understand your reasoning, It smacks of "I hate my life but lack the requisite stones to off myself so nobody else should either".

Its getting increasingly hard to not picture most politicians and their medical industry frat buddies coming up with his shit at a country club roundtable, laughing their asses off over what goofy shit they can get people to do next. Waiting for when they make people start hopping on one foot or standing on their hands.

Like that scene in South Park with the financial crash, and the chopping heads off chickens to make a decision on something? That's what it puts me in mind of.