2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

[The Pink Panther]

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I genuinely hate the lack of self-awareness this man has surrounded around him. So much so, I think it's intentional.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

@EmuWarsVeteran, you seem to have the best grasp on Spainish history on KF, do you see it this way as well, from your sunny locale?

Hello! Sorry for the long absence. September hit me like a truck full of rockets.

So... Yeah. I have long ago started wondering how america has managed not to end in a civil war. And my prediction is after the election there will be accusations by the looser of election rigging (independently of who looses) and they will be used by radicals to start the shooting. I honestly think it's very hard for it not to end that way. 'Cause if Trump looses, then they'll be right. No way trump looses without some serious rigging at this point, and ain't nothing gonna keep americans from going apeshit if that happens, after all, the 2nd ammendment is the final check and balance. And if the Dems loose, antifa WILL, ABSOLUTELY go full ETA and start shooting people. Fuck, they already have, they'll just stop hiding it.

Honestly. Best case scenario is Trump wins and the 5 billion american three capital leter agencies destroy Antifa as soon as they do the first cockup. That's the only way to avoid full blown war, and only because one of the sides got curbstomped before starting. I see no other way to fix this.

Remember. The civil war escalated like it did because the CEDAS had been rigging the army with affiliated higherups and financed and armed the rebels while filling the newspapers with inflamatory rhetoric based mostly on lies, after they got caught having massive corruption cases when the government changed. The Dems have been doing exactly the same since 2016, and we all know what's coming out from Obama's corruption cases. It's literally the exact same situation and I don't see this ending any other way.

There is one large difference though. The CEDAS counted with foreign spies (specially british), army volunteers from the axis, supplies from france and portugal (yeah fun fact, france and britain tried to ally with the axis during the civil war... it didn't work, at all. Specially when Churchil put an end to that shit for very obvious reasons. God German appeasement was fucking retarded.) And political support of pretty much everyone except Stalin. The Dems only count on help from China, and have literally everyone else against them. And China sure as shit isn't even close to the Axis in terms of strength. This war will not end the same way, at all.

Sadly... no one really wins a civil war. My grampa (who btw fought on Franco's side, as part of the catholic militias.) Said it best. "Los Rojos quemaron las iglesias. Los azules la cultura. Para cuando los tiros empezaron estabamos peleandonos por las cenizas. Para cuando acabaron no quedaba ni eso." Which roughly translates as "Reds burnt the churches, Blues the culture. By the time the shooting started we were fighting over the ashes. By the time it ended not even that was left." That sentence got scarred into my mind since I heard it. Civil wars are never good, period. Those like Antifa that think somehow they are justified due to some percieved fucking societal ill are fucking insane. There is no reason short of an actual dictatorship with deathcamps that could ever justify starting one.

I (and presumably many others here) don't speak Spanish, can someone like @EmuWarsVeteran translate/transcribe it for us? All I could get was the Google translation for the title: "Peruvian shamans take sides in US elections and with amulets seek to help Biden or Trump" (original:
"Chamanes peruanos toman partido en elecciones de EEUU y con amuletos buscan ayudar a Biden o Trump").

Looking at Google translations of the comment section, the Hispanics aren't too admiring of this little spectacle.

Sorry for taking this long, just saw it on my mentions.

"The Electoral Debate on the EEUU can be felt intensely far, far away on an unexpected place. Shamans, diviners and warlocks of Perú decided to take side, using their art and amulets to fortify or damage their preferred candidate. And much like with voters, in the world of esoterism there is division. Master Jairo Osco Uses his steel sword to attract telluric forces and raise his favourite, Joe Biden."

"This person is a politician. This person knows how to work. He will triumph. This person will fight and won't guide himself by self interest unlike Donald Trump. He will go on and triumph and win the ellections."

"He assures us he is being guided by the energy of the mountains. Which favor the democrat candidate. He is also in contact with warlocks from Dakota, in the USA, the spirits are the same here and there, he explains. Master Juan De Dios assures us the malicious arts come from warlocks of one country in particular."

"We have detected Donald Trump is being harmed by a kind of black magic practiced on the country of Venezuela."

"He assures us President Trump will maintain control with a second term but he suspects something bad could happen."

"He is the president of the USA that we know for certain because we have visualized it. That's what we've seen. But he won't end his mandate. He will suffer from the head and the mouth of the stomach, it will be Stomach Cancer and it will end with a Brain Hemorrhage."

"(I didn't get the name), a healer from the amazon seals the circle using a snake. To believe or not to believe in the predictions of these diviners is a particular matter but truth is politicians from many countries have consulted them in the past. From Peru Elisa Martinez, Univision."

My god. What a buncha fucking crazy ass shit. Beware, Trump, some cocoo bastard's waking the mountain spirits using his replica longsword! For the record. A family member of mine's into santeria and tarot and that shit, and I've learned some coocoo shit from her. But even by her standards, there's so much wrong with this shit.

 

[RockPaper]

Not to mention that 2016's turnout wasn't really all that high. It decreased from 2012. I don't see how 2020 could best either one of those elections.

This election overall is pretty subdued, and Biden's too boring and unmotivating to drive turnout, even with TDS rampant.

Haven't Barnes and his friend there been claiming part of the big reason the polls are fucked up, is that pollsters are predicting an unprecedented 30% new voters this time (most of them younger), and they will break for Biden by a wide margin. I don't understand why anyone would assume that, unless you foolishly think Twitter is the real world. Sounds like using snake oil to cook the books.

 

[heyitsmike]

Ah yes, I wonder if you will say the same thing if Flordia ever flips blue due to demographic changes.

This is a dumb non sequitur. I award you no points.

 

[make_it_so]

I disagree.

It is still perfectly possible to be pro-Biden, and pro-cop at the exact same time. I know the mainstream media, and lunatics on Twitter make that seem like it's impossible, but there's a sizable amount of people in this country who are both these things, and just keep quiet about it.

I've driven by at least one yard that has both a "I support local police" sign and several Biden/Anti-Trump signs.

 

[Harvey Danger]

I'm calling bullshit. The Democrat voters in those states already have TDS are not winnable. The rest of the voters in those states know their governors and legislatures are shit and don't hold it against them that he calls it out.

This will lose him exactly zero (0) votes. Not one (1) person will turn against him for saying it.

Minnesota is a Democratic state, it hasn't gone for a Republican President since 1972. It's got a good chunk of Democrats that voted for Trump in 2016, and the Iron Range that looks like it's going his way this time. It's very much in play this year.

Yes, the residents know their politicians suck. That doesn't change how you should address the people whose votes you want to get. You agree with the people that their politicians suck, and you call them out. You don't dismiss "Democratic States" and turn off the working class, blue-collar Democrats who were just starting to re-align in your direction.

Pennsylvania may be undergoing a party re-alignment, and Trump needs every bit of margin he can get there. Wisconsin may flip back; he needs to keep his Democratic voters. Michigan might be lost, but dismissing it as a Democratic State pre-emptively surrenders the fight there. Portland's a shithole and Oregon is gone, but that doesn't mean you blow off the rest of the state that went crimson red, especially if you want the bragging rights of picking up a popular vote majority.

Do these look like "Democratic States" beyond hope?



Yeah, there's fewer absolute votes in a lot of the rural areas. But you can run up totals there, just like Democrats do in centralized urban areas, Trump and his populism may actually be pulling that off this very election.

And even if you think the math doesn't work out, you don't antagonize them for no reason while other key states are watching.

This isn't dismissiveness on the level of "basket of deplorables" or "clinging to guns and Bibles", but it's still dismissiveness that doesn't help him. Especially among the low-information middle- and working-class base Trump needs to turn out.

 

[TwinkLover6969]

lmao Trump is holding another stimulus package hostage until he wins

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That's a big yikes for me. While it's true that democratic states are doing the worst it still affects other industries. Many small business are about to be crushed.

 

[King Daddy Telomerase]

Haven't Barnes and his friend there been claiming part of the big reason the polls are fucked up, is that pollsters are predicting an unprecedented 30% new voters this time (most of them younger), and they will break for Biden by a wide margin. I don't understand why anyone would assume that, unless you foolishly think Twitter is the real world. Sounds like using snake oil to cook the books.

Yes, and you can see the enormous projected amount of new D voters for yourself in many polls. It's not just partisan Baris and Barnes banter. It's seriously just Democrat hope that's always there since most new 18-21 voters are D, and if they bother to vote, they'll win. But, they never do, even with a cool guy like Obama.

Meanwhile, polls are significantly harder to find people to do now. The days of reliability with landlines are over. The common person is far less likely to do a stupid poll. It's why so many pollsters like Gallup quit, it's too unpredictable and unreliable. These pollsters are trying to find anything that can provide a consistent answer.

And that's how you get the Nate Silver types that become paid narrative puppets.

 

[Harvey Danger]

That's a big yikes for me. While it's true that democratic states are doing the worst it still affects other industries. Many small business are about to be crushed.

The spin is as predictable as it was avoidable.

No one was pressing him on the stimulus bill, everyone knew Pelosi is full of it. All he had to do was say "we're still working hard to get a bill passed for Americans, but Pelosi passed one that has nothing to do with Covid relief". But in the very same tweet he ends the work in the House, he pushes the work in the Senate (SCOTUS nominee).

Maybe this gets blown away by the VP debate tomorrow, but he's giving them ammo for no reason. He should just be throwing blame at Democratic leaders instead of including the parts where it looks like he's hurting the people they represent. He's a populist, just keep putting himself on the people's side and pin every delay or failure on the politicians, don't explicitly take credit for those delays!

 

[heyitsmike]

Yes, the residents know their politicians suck. That doesn't change how you should address the people whose votes you want to get. You agree with the people that their politicians suck, and you call them out. You don't dismiss "Democratic States" and turn off the working class, blue-collar Democrats who were just starting to re-align in your direction.

That sounds just like the argument leftists use when they say you can't call it the China virus because people can't differentiate between the Chinese government and Chinese people.

This is not political correctness to the level we're seeing recently, but it's political correctness all the same. No one with two brain cells to rub together believes Trump was personally insulting them. Reasonable people are not stupid and understand the difference. The unreasonable are stupid but you won't win them over anyway, so who cares what they think?

 

[GuntPunt]

That's a big yikes for me. While it's true that democratic states are doing the worst it still affects other industries. Many small business are about to be crushed.

I think its retarded for Trump to take the issue into his hands. Realistically, no stimulus was ever going to happen because Pelosi went full retard and is offering 3rd world dictatorship tier election reform and saying its a stimulus bill. Still, I am not sure this moves the needle on WWC vote. The small business owner vote is more vunerable from this. No base is going to change much from perpetual praise or screeching routine the last 4 years exemplified.

The fallout from this happening 2-3 months before the election would be potentially lethal. Now, with the news cycle changing by the hour to find something to hit Trump with? Unsure. He should have never announced anything publically though. Fucks sake. Do your internals show you sweeping the Rust Belt?!

The way to tell if this affects ANYTHING that looks like a revolt is registration in PA. They are open until election day. If you see Democrats lead in Registrations start widening, then start praying. I don't think that this will move that much personally. If you bought that everything is Trump's fault and killed 200k, odds are you weren't going to vote for him anyways. The only problem is tbat "some" can flip states with these tight margins. Still, keep an eye on Registrations in PA in case there is a mass exodus.

 

[DrearyDoomguy]

I think its retarded for Trump to take the issue into his hands. Realistically, no stimulus was ever going to happen because Pelosi went full retard and is offering 3rd world dictatorship tier election reform and saying its a stimulus bill. Still, I am not sure this moves the needle on WWC vote. The small business owner vote is more vunerable from this. No base is going to change much from perpetual praise or screeching routine the last 4 years exemplified.

Honestly, I wish McConnell had done what he did with the Green New Deal and called a Senate vote on it so he could get Senate Democrats on record voting in favor of defunding the police.

 

[MrJokerRager]

lmao Trump is holding another stimulus package hostage until he wins

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It's over for Trump. It's over I tell you.

Even though Nancy Pelosi snuck in a lot of poison pills in the bill and is the most debased woman in America at the moment, its over, now niggers will vote for Biden to get the gibs followed by NEETs after they eat their tendies.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Honestly Trumps chances are looking bad now from him getting COVID to the stimulus stuff, he really needs to think about what he’s saying since going against the stimulus bill is going to hurt him on Election Day if this becomes a hot button issue

 

[Harvey Danger]

That sounds just like the argument leftists use when they say you can't call it the China virus because people can't differentiate between the Chinese government and Chinese people.

This is not political correctness to the level we're seeing recently, but it's political correctness all the same. No one with two brain cells to rub together believes Trump was personally insulting them. Reasonable people are not stupid and understand the difference. The unreasonable are stupid but you won't win them over anyway, so who cares what they think?

Trump isn't trying to get China, the Chinese, or Chinese-Americans on his side. He is trying to get historically Democratic voters in Democratic or swing states on his side. There is no way sounding antagonistic or dismissive towards them is a good idea.

It's not an issue of political correctness, it's actual populism. He's supposed to be driving a wedge between the Democratic political elite and their base. Their leaders are failures, not the entire state; making that distinction isn't a PC attempt to avoid offending a demographic bloc. It's literally being correct about the politics involved.

There's a mangled version of that Mencken quote, saying people deserve the politicians they elect, and they "deserve to get [them] good and hard". Fair enough, but this is an election, Trump wants votes, and he's giving the people an option their current party won't give them.

It's fine for us to sit here and say "Minneapolis is lost and nobody sane lives in Oregon". But the Shitposter In Chief is required to care about the state he previously lost by 40k votes, and the state where 782k of his supporters voted against Portland's stupidity.

"Reasonable people" can look at him denying aid to "Democratic States" as retaliation against the entire state because the governor insulted him. I don't think that's what he meant, but functionally it comes out the same as if he did, and you don't want the guy who "says what he really thinks" to be talking dismissive like that. Even if you think no one changes their mind negatively from this one tweet, it's still a missed opportunity to drive home his attack on the party proper and convince some Democrats to swing his way.

 

[mandatorylurk]

Stopping the negotiating looks like he is setting up to rail about this when he's finally allowed to go do a press conference, if not the next debate in a week at the latest. Point out how the people in places like the Rust Belt are being screwed over for Pelosi to pay for California and New York's screw ups and sucking off BLM and the riots. He will then come back to the table for a simple, nothing else, Trump Bux 2.0 with another $1200 stimulus right before the election and Pelosi will reject it.

He's basing it all on getting the message out to the people, but a part of me feels like the new press tactic in the final weeks is going to be to continue to Wallace every conversation and interrupt him to remove soundbites and clips in order to get stupid Proud Boy moments.

The deluge of polls that dropped today feel like the biggest gaslighting campaign I've seen in politics, and more and more I come across like this is going to be a repeat of 2012 where everyone thought Obama was going to lose but in the end I believe only two states flipped to Romney.

 

[Iceland Heavy]

So. I live in a blue state, and I commute in a very, very blue county.

I have seen more Biden signs than Trump signs, don't get me wrong ... But I see a lot of "Back the Blue" and "Blue Lives Matter" signs and bumper stickers, which might as well be Trump signs at this point, right?

The amount of Biden signs I've seen are still in the single digits, though. In 2016, I saw a lot more "I'm With Her" stickers and signs by comparison, and I distinctly remember noticing a lack of enthusiasm for "representin'" Hillary back then when compared to Obama (where his stickers and signs were literally everywhere back in 2008 and 2012) or even John Kerry back in '04. I just don't see the enthusiasm for Joe, even in a state where he will win.

On a side note, I recently moved and I have a new neighbor who had a huge homemade wooden Biden sign in her front yard, saying "For the SOUL of America." I drove by it every day for two weeks straight. I do not see the sign anymore. I thought she might have been working on a new one, but it's been weeks. She has since placed an American flag in her front yard. Not indicative of any "trend" or if she's changed her vote or anything ... But man. Zero enthusiasm.

I live in a blue county on the edge of legit MAGA country in a very blue state. I've seen very little Biden signage and crossing county lines Thin Blue Line and Trump stuff is everywhere. Bernie, BLM and #resist stuff does get more common closer to the city but how much of that will translate to Biden votes we'll see.

Stopping the negotiating looks like he is setting up to rail about this when he's finally allowed to go do a press conference, if not the next debate in a week at the latest. Point out how the people in places like the Rust Belt are being screwed over for Pelosi to pay for California and New York's screw ups and sucking off BLM and the riots. He will then come back to the table for a simple, nothing else, Trump Bux 2.0 with another $1200 stimulus right before the election and Pelosi will reject it.

He's basing it all on getting the message out to the people, but a part of me feels like the new press tactic in the final weeks is going to be to continue to Wallace every conversation and interrupt him to remove soundbites and clips in order to get stupid Proud Boy moments.

The deluge of polls that dropped today feel like the biggest gaslighting campaign I've seen in politics, and more and more I come across like this is going to be a repeat of 2012 where everyone thought Obama was going to lose but in the end I believe only two states flipped to Romney.

2012 was pretty interesting in that all the conservative 'wonks' were convinced Romney would eke out a victory over Obama based on their polls (which really inflated Nate Bronzium's ego afterwards). But on the ground level I don't think there was a lot of enthusiasm at all about Romney or any expectation that he would win.

 

[MrJokerRager]

A shitload of things have happened this summer and if Trump is going to lose on no more free Chinese virus gibs then America was already fucked by the time the statues were falling.

 

[GuntPunt]

Stopping the negotiating looks like he is setting up to rail about this when he's finally allowed to go do a press conference, if not the next debate in a week at the latest. Point out how the people in places like the Rust Belt are being screwed over for Pelosi to pay for California and New York's screw ups and sucking off BLM and the riots. He will then come back to the table for a simple, nothing else, Trump Bux 2.0 with another $1200 stimulus right before the election and Pelosi will reject it.

He's basing it all on getting the message out to the people, but a part of me feels like the new press tactic in the final weeks is going to be to continue to Wallace every conversation and interrupt him to remove soundbites and clips in order to get stupid Proud Boy moments.

The deluge of polls that dropped today feel like the biggest gaslighting campaign I've seen in politics, and more and more I come across like this is going to be a repeat of 2012 where everyone thought Obama was going to lose but in the end I believe only two states flipped to Romney.

He logically wouldn't rock the boat by doing this either if he was up or it wouldn't matter. I hope its the former.

From the polling you mentioned, look at this.

Now, TRUMP, the man with all the momentum, is fucking George McGovern or Goldwater. Its fucking crazy how far the gaslighting has gone.

 

[King Daddy Telomerase]

What I recall about '12 was that most casual followers assumed Obama would win, and most election nerds thought it looked like Romney could win but never really believed it. And my conservative buddies only held their noses.

I don't think anything Trump does from now on matters, tbh. I maintain my belief that the COVID diagnosis fucked him and it's over. The only way out is if he pulls a miracle and somehow flips the COVID paranoia convincing old people to not be terrified in the next 4 weeks.