Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[cow-wannabe]

Your whole crew is dumb as fuck and it's tiresome.

There is a point at which the money is split 50/50 between Donal and Nasser.

That point comes AFTER all of the labor that is required to make the comic book, and thus the profit to be split, has been completed and paid for.

Funds need to be set aside to pay the artist(s), the writer(s), the colorist, the letterer, and the printer.

Those are jobs that need to be done. These jobs are not equal. They pay differently. Whoever does those jobs can claim those funds, because if no one does them, there is no book to profit from.

Donal drew the comic. He should collect the page rate set aside to pay the artist. Nasser should collect the writing fee.

All other jobs were done and paid for. If Nasser wanted to share half of Donal's rate for drawing the book, he should have drawn half the book, but he didn't. If Donal didn't want to draw the book, someone else would have, and they'd have paid that person as well. That PROVES your dumb 50/50 split of all of the funds notion is bullshit.

As it stands, Nasser is trying to steal Donal's money, not the other way around. I'd call you unethical, but I think you're just fucking stupid and don't realize it.

Just like Vikki's retarded Media Mail argument. Consistently dishonest and unethical.

You can't pay yourself a wage and claim it as a business exprense from the profit share you receive from a project in renumeration for your labor without some very clever accounting, and as both parties in said partnership would have to agree on these terms, and have a paper-trail for all this, you're wrong.

You seem to be confusing how to fiddle business partners with how you fiddle your taxes.

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

Crowder's interview with Doug TenNapel was uploaded:

 

[TheCosmicWarrior]

You can't pay yourself a wage and claim it as a business exprense from the profit share you receive from a project in renumeration for your labor without some very clever accounting, and as both parties in said partnership would have to agree on these terms, and have a paper-trail for all this, you're wrong.

You seem to be confusing how to fiddle business partners with how you fiddle your taxes.

Yeah unless it was agreed upon "hey you get a page rate of $50 per page and then we split profits 50/50" or whatever, which clearly that was never the understanding nor ever mentioned, then that was not part of the deal. Unfortunately Nasser might not have the means for a good lawsuit but I'd wrap someone up in court and ruin their lives if they did something like that to me. It's breach of contract at best, fraud at worst.

 

[Water-T]

That's the Shazam bolt. Exactly. The TCB one is totally different. More lies from fatboy.

To be fair, Elvis was a huge fan of Captain Marvel Jr. growing up, and based the TCB logo, his haircut, and some of his stage outfits on him.

 

[Adamska]

Here's your link: https://about.usps.com/notices/not121/not121_tech.htm

"Media Mail packages may not contain advertising. Comic books do not meet this standard. Books may contain incidental announcements of other books and sound recordings may contain incidental announcements of other sound recordings. In accordance with standards in the Mailing Standards of the United States Postal Service, Domestic Mail Manual (DMM), Section 170, Media Mail packages must have a delivery address and the sender’s return address and are subject to inspection by the Postal Service™. Upon such inspection, matter not eligible for the Media Mail rate may be assessed at the proper price and sent to the recipient postage due, or the sender may be contacted for additional postage"

They specifically mention comic books.

Places like cheapgraphicnovels do ship out their hardcover omnibuses with media mail, so who knows what they're willing to let through. But if you're shipping out thousands of packages it probably not worth the headache to find out.

Yeah, and the reason those don't make the cut are because they have ads dude. Even the shitty nu-comics still have them, and they were a thing since forever.

No ads, no problems as far as I can tell. It'd be what I'd argue in that case.

 

[CapeKnight]

Crowder's interview with Doug TenNapel was uploaded:

Apparently, the stream was pulled mid-way through. It seemed like it was just getting started to go into the meat of things, with Doug and Crowder talking about being cancelled, SJWs with Marxist agendas, trying to deplatform and indoctrinating of kids.

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

Apparently, the stream was pulled mid-way through. It seemed like it was just getting started to go into the meat of things, with Doug and Crowder talking about being cancelled, SJWs with Marxist agendas, trying to deplatform and indoctrinating of kids.

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Strange.
I'm playing it right now without issue.

 

[CapeKnight]

Strange.
I'm playing it right now without issue.

Yes, it culminates up to 23:08, but it seems to have reached an abrupt end. Comments are pointing out that it ended live suddenly as well.

 

[Sourskittles]

"Media Mail packages may not contain advertising. Comic books do not meet this standard." This refers to comics do mot meet the standard of containing no advertising. If there is no advertising there is no problem.

What is at the bottom of the page you shared?

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Here is a link to the USPS Domestic Mail Manual or DMM. It contains all of the rules and regulations of the US Postal Service.

There is one singe instance of the word "comic"
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That single instance occurs on the page pertaining to Periodicals and refers to comic strips in magazines.

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What is the characteristic of a Periodical?

"The content of the periodical may consist of original or reprinted articles on one topic or many topics, listings, photographs, illustrations, graphs, a combination of advertising and nonadvertising matter, comic strips, legal notices, editorial material, cartoons, or other subject matter."

A comic strip is a serialized sequence of horizonal images. That is NOT a comic book.

Hers are the regulations regarding RETAIL Media Mail.

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What are the requirements for Retail Media Mail?

"Books, including books issued to supplement other books, of at least eight printed pages, consisting wholly of reading matter or scholarly bibliography, or reading matter with incidental blank spaces for notations and containing no advertising matter other than incidental announcements of books. Advertising includes paid advertising and the publishers‘ own advertising in display, classified, or editorial style."

A comic book is a "reading matter". It is meant to be read. In order to qualify for Media Mail it must contain at least 8 pages. It must not contain paid advertising.

Despite @FROG's claim that the contents of Media Mail must be educational, there is no such requirement.

Also Frog's claim that Media Mail doesn't have tracking is false. I have received numerous comics posted Media Mail with a tracking number.

https://about.usps.com/notices/not121/not121_tech.htm


"Despite @FROG's claim that the contents of Media Mail must be educational, there is no such requirement."

It literally has at the top of the page: "Media Mail shipping is a cost-effective way to send educational materials."

"Comic books do not meet this standard"

What ever standard they have is still being enforced. It might be because they wrongly assume that comics still contain ads or it might be because they don't consider them educational material.

The FROG provided a screenshot of a customer complaining about being charged for the difference in postage for multiple campaigns. Is it worth pissing off customers who you want to back your next campaign for the few dollars that you would make off of shipping cost? You're already charging them a premium (25+10ish for shipping) for a comic book/graphic novel.

 

[VIkkiVerse]

https://about.usps.com/notices/not121/not121_tech.htm


"Despite @FROG's claim that the contents of Media Mail must be educational, there is no such requirement."

It literally has at the top of the page: "Media Mail shipping is a cost-effective way to send educational materials."

"Comic books do not meet this standard"

What ever standard they have is still being enforced. It might be because they wrongly assume that comics still contain ads or it might be because they don't consider them educational material.

The FROG provided a screenshot of a customer complaining about being charged for the difference in postage for multiple campaigns. Is it worth pissing off customers who you want to back your next campaign for the few dollars that you would make off of shipping cost? You're already charging them a premium (25+10ish for shipping) for a comic book/graphic novel.

It is NOT a requirement to send educational materials. Saying it's a cost-effective way to do so, does NOT mean that educational materials are the only things that can be sent.

It is literally called RETAIL MEDIA MAIL. As in for Retailers. What kind of retailers and who the recipients are is not spelled out in the USPS Domestic Mail Manual. Anyone can use it so long as what they are sending meets the content requirements, which in this case is "books". Specifically books of more than 8 pages that only contain incidental advertising and no paid outside advertising.

I linked the Domestic Mail Manual in the post you quoted. Did you bother to read it?

Every single thing I wrote was true, based on fact and then also personal experience. It's good advice, not for someone who might want to ship one or two comics, but for someone in business to ship thousands.

It's not what Media Mail is for, and the USPS is in business to make money. They'll return your books or ship them Postage Due if they find out.

When they say "no advertisements" it's because they don't want magazines that are educational to enjoy the discounted service. They're not even considering comic books or graphic novels. They don't see the difference and don't care, I promise.

That advice didn't happen to come from Dynamite did it?

Cuz this is how my copy of Cyberfrog: Bloodhoney reached me last October:

 

[Sourskittles]

It is NOT a requirement to send educational materials. Saying it's a cost-effective way to do so, does NOT mean that educational materials are the only things that can be sent.

It is literally called RETAIL MEDIA MAIL. As in for Retailers. What kind of retailers and who the recipients are is not spelled out in the USPS Domestic Mail Manual. Anyone can use it so long as what they are sending meets the content requirements, which in this case is "books". Specifically books of more than 8 pages that only contain incidental advertising and no paid outside advertising.

I linked the Domestic Mail Manual in the post you quoted. Did you bother to read it?


That advice didn't happen to come from Dynamite did it?

Cuz this is how my copy of Cyberfrog: Bloodhoney reached me last October:
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It's not called Retail Media mail because it's for retailers......did you bother googling this stuff before you posted?

"Retail" refers to the rate you pay. They have commercial and retail rates. Commercial rates are for high volume shippers and you can use these rates if you ship through paypal or ebay without having to ship high volumes. Media mail only has "Retail" rates. There are no high volume discounts for Media Mail.

"Media Mail is a cost-effective way to send educational materials". They state plainly the purpose of media mail on their about page but don't also state it again over here so it isn't a requirement.....ok.....we can agree to disagree here


"That advice didn't happen to come from Dynamite did it?

Cuz this is how my copy of Cyberfrog: Bloodhoney reached me last October:"


You do know that most media mail does not get check.....which is why people abuse it....

You might have not been charged excess shipping fees but the guy in tweet below did....multiple times...

Google media mail charges and you'll see the same people get hit with charges over and over again. Some post offices check, some don't.

This discussion is going around in circles, so I'm just going end my input on the topic with this post. We can just agree to disagree.

 

[TheCosmicWarrior]

I'm going to pretend like this is a thread to talk about great comic books because ComicsGate was supposed to be about bringing that back since it was taken over by thirsty e-celeb simps who don't read comics nor are they interested in them.

I pulled my weekly InStockTrades order this week and picked up:

1. Black Widow Epic Collection - The Coldest War - 1980s black widow stuff. Never read this, several "Marvel Graphic Novels" of which I like most of what I've read from that era.
2. New Mutants Epic Collection - Cable - Origin of Cable era. This is going to be a lot of fun.
3. Blade of the Immortal Deluxe Hardcover 1 - Dark horse is putting out these really nice deluxe edition faux leather looking books of which they've done Berserk and Hellsing so far, they're oversized, and Blade of the Immortal is a great choice to continue these. Super exciting.

On the channel Cummings and I will be discussing Rachel Rising Issues 1-12 tomorrow, which is my favorite comic of all time. So make sure to catch up and tune in.

I also just read this compilation of Fanzines from the 1960s titled Steve Ditko in the 1960s. Has actual interviews with him before he started refusing all interviews. Very fun stuff and good stories about his work back then. Insightful and fun.

 

[NasserRabadi13]

I'm going to pretend like this is a thread to talk about great comic books because ComicsGate was supposed to be about bringing that back since it was taken over by thirsty e-celeb simps who don't read comics nor are they interested in them.

I pulled my weekly InStockTrades order this week and picked up:

1. Black Widow Epic Collection - The Coldest War - 1980s black widow stuff. Never read this, several "Marvel Graphic Novels" of which I like most of what I've read from that era.
2. New Mutants Epic Collection - Cable - Origin of Cable era. This is going to be a lot of fun.
3. Blade of the Immortal Deluxe Hardcover 1 - Dark horse is putting out these really nice deluxe edition faux leather looking books of which they've done Berserk and Hellsing so far, they're oversized, and Blade of the Immortal is a great choice to continue these. Super exciting.

On the channel Cummings and I will be discussing Rachel Rising Issues 1-12 tomorrow, which is my favorite comic of all time. So make sure to catch up and tune in.

I also just read this compilation of Fanzines from the 1960s titled Steve Ditko in the 1960s. Has actual interviews with him before he started refusing all interviews. Very fun stuff and good stories about his work back then. Insightful and fun.

I think by 1964 he stopped doing interviews and public appearances. I think he did one con appearance (that I know of), and I wonder how many comics he signed there. He refused to sign anything besides letters, so I do have a signed Ditko letter when he replied to mine years ago, but if there's ever been a signed Ditko comic out there, I wonder if it survived.

 

[TheCosmicWarrior]

I think by 1964 he stopped doing interviews and public appearances. I think he did one con appearance (that I know of), and I wonder how many comics he signed there. He refused to sign anything besides letters, so I do have a signed Ditko letter when he replied to mine years ago, but if there's ever been a signed Ditko comic out there, I wonder if it survived.

What a guy. I hope I can get to the point where I don't have to do streams and the like to sell the comics so I can just work on them without the noise.

 

[VIkkiVerse]

It's not called Retail Media mail because it's for retailers......did you bother googling this stuff before you posted?

"Retail" refers to the rate you pay. They have commercial and retail rates. Commercial rates are for high volume shippers and you can use these rates if you ship through paypal or ebay without having to ship high volumes. Media mail only has "Retail" rates. There are no high volume discounts for Media Mail.

"Retail" refers to a selling to an individual, while "Commercial" means to sell to another store (retailer) who then sells to an individual. There is Commercial Media Mail and Retail Media Mail, the only differences are rates and whether or no the recipient is and individual or a store. The content standards are identical.

"Media Mail is a cost-effective way to send educational materials". They state plainly the purpose of media mail on their about page but don't also state it again over here so it isn't a requirement.....ok.....we can agree to disagree here

You can choose that route, but that is not the stated purpose. So I will be continuing to disagree.

You might have not been charged excess shipping fees but the guy in tweet below did....multiple times...

Has he? And never once Tweeted about it? We're supposed to believe it cuz he said so?

 

[cow-wannabe]

I think by 1964 he stopped doing interviews and public appearances. I think he did one con appearance (that I know of), and I wonder how many comics he signed there. He refused to sign anything besides letters, so I do have a signed Ditko letter when he replied to mine years ago, but if there's ever been a signed Ditko comic out there, I wonder if it survived

Ditko also a drew a ton of pervy stuff when he shared a studio with Eric Stanton....which is one of the reasons why I personally love him, It also bled into his Marvel work (under the radar.)

Notice any similarities between Gwen Stacey...

and their John Willie homage Sweeter Gwen...

 

[Absurdity]

That advice didn't happen to come from Dynamite did it?

Cuz this is how my copy of Cyberfrog: Bloodhoney reached me last October:
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Hypocrisy. Lies. Manipulation. It never ends.

Great job with the photo evidence, Vikki. I suddenly have the urge to make an 8-page Supermayo comic and send it Media Mail to MuckSciver.

 

[Nippy]

I'm going to pretend like this is a thread to talk about great comic books because ComicsGate was supposed to be about bringing that back since it was taken over by thirsty e-celeb simps who don't read comics nor are they interested in them.

I pulled my weekly InStockTrades order this week and picked up:

1. Black Widow Epic Collection - The Coldest War - 1980s black widow stuff. Never read this, several "Marvel Graphic Novels" of which I like most of what I've read from that era.
2. New Mutants Epic Collection - Cable - Origin of Cable era. This is going to be a lot of fun.
3. Blade of the Immortal Deluxe Hardcover 1 - Dark horse is putting out these really nice deluxe edition faux leather looking books of which they've done Berserk and Hellsing so far, they're oversized, and Blade of the Immortal is a great choice to continue these. Super exciting.

On the channel Cummings and I will be discussing Rachel Rising Issues 1-12 tomorrow, which is my favorite comic of all time. So make sure to catch up and tune in.

I also just read this compilation of Fanzines from the 1960s titled Steve Ditko in the 1960s. Has actual interviews with him before he started refusing all interviews. Very fun stuff and good stories about his work back then. Insightful and fun.

Comics are for faggots.

 

[TheCosmicWarrior]

Ditko also a drew a ton of pervy stuff when he shared a studio with Eric Stanton....which is one of the reasons why I personally love him, It also bled into his Marvel work (under the radar.)

Notice any similarities between Gwen Stacey...
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and their John Willie homage Sweeter Gwen...

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He assisted with inks while they were both struggling to get by. Stanton assisted on some of Ditko's work too. Ditko was very opposed to this degeneracy and that's why they ended up splitting ways.

 

[NasserRabadi13]

He assisted with inks while they were both struggling to get by. Stanton assisted on some of Ditko's work too. Ditko was very opposed to this degeneracy and that's why they ended up splitting ways.

Had to do what he had to do.