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But someones friend sister who told someone she knew it it so "It has to be TRUE!" REEEEEEEE
Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread
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I don’t think that is accurate. He says they were in the hotel room together, and anything that happened was consensual.
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He never confirms or denies whether he was in a hotel room with Monica on that day or any other day, just that he did not kiss her on the day in question, nor did he do anything else of the sort. This is in the deposition, from page 210 on.
(Sorry about the inserts, I am choosing "Thumbnail" and for some reason the site considers these "thumbnails." They're rather large.)
I'm actually fairly surprised at how terrible this deposition is. There are about 300 pages in it, and this is the only coherent examination on the specific interaction that is the most important in the case. Most of the rest of it is Lemoine meandering around wheezing about all sorts of other nonsense.
Part of the purpose of a deposition is to nail down a party on a version of events and Lemoine didn't even establish that Vic was even in that hotel room at all, ever or, if as Vic claims, no assault occurred, what Vic actually did.
He also may or may not have been in hotel rooms with Monica in the years after this. He doesn't recall specifically and isn't pressed for details.
It's interesting considering how aggressively Lemoine pursued other barely useful lines of questioning that he spent virtually no time on this at all.
Just as a general comment, when you're going into a deposition with a hostile party, it's for a reason. You want them agreeing to as many facts as you can get. They're obviously going to try denying most of what your version of events is, but you want as many facts where the parties agree as possible.
In this case, Vic may very well have been in that hotel room, but Lemoine doesn't even establish that fact. Vic never says yes, I was in that hotel room with Monica. In fact, he may very well have never been in a hotel room with Monica in his life. You want the parties agreeing that Vic and Monica were in that hotel room, but disagree about what happened. Lemoine didn't even get that.
Unless I'm missing it. This is a search from the index for "hotel" and "bed" at the end of the deposition.
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And apparently only the person relating the second and third hand stories is speaking the truth about the matter. Never mind if the person that they are speaking about comes up and says “Yeah, hey, none of that stuff is true, that didn’t happen to me” . OBVIOUSLY I can’t be relied upon to determine if I actually did fly to a convention to work with Vic or if he ever kissed me -__-
(couldn’t archive because he has me blocked)
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I don't think Vic can throw whales, even with the power of god and anime on his side.
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But... But, @AnOminous! J. Sean Lemoine is an expert who knows what he is doing! LawTwitter told me so!
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They try so hard to debunk your story than they do any other affidavit
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Ah yes, Lawtwitter. Where almost everyone is obese but if you say that someone is fat, the person they immediately think you are talking about is Kathryn Tewson.
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Alright seeing as these faggots and dipshits are here trying not to piss themselves in their own excitement while they are indeed lurking here. In the likelihood they screenshot this for their exceptional sperg outs, go eat a railroad spike. This whole back and forth fuckery has always been old. For the simple nature that you fucks are too spineless to create an account here to talk directly, because you realize that unlike twitter, this place doesn't have an exploitable system to false flag people to silence anyone that makes you look bad.
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Everytime he does something, I feel like the world becomes less wiser a place.
Also, has this all been archived?
Y'all know the worst part of this is? Most of the TFS crew is SO woke, that they probably hate Vic.
Look as some retard ruins this pure & wholesome moment by calling him a pedophile.
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Mike's surname is an accurate description of him as well.
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Tools are useful while Mike on the other hand.....
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Well looking through Kaiser's Tumblr he may share the same opinions everyone else does about Vic
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Anyway, I think I've worked out the True and Honest timeline of where these Vic rumors came from and how the sex crap happened.
According to Chuck Huber, back in 2003 Chris Sabat immediately spread rumors to anyone he casually spoke to about how Vic was a kiddy diddler, both gay and preying on little girls.
According to multiple con staff members, most notably Jen Hunt and to an extent EriMin, constaff didn't like Vic and traded around nasty rumors about him between themselves. This got to a point where in ACEN 2008, while Jennifer was blowing off steam and hiding in the AMV room, she met then 18 year old Younique Bales, and told her an early version of the kidnapping story. This marks the earliest time I can find where a non-staff member is let in on these rumors, because Jen can't help but blab her made up insanity.
From 2007 on to 2010, Vic was on a downhill of popularity due to increasingly angry fujoshi who constantly made up the most absurd rumors about him - they were all about him being ragey and homophobic, however, not sexual. The rumors EXPLODE between 2009 and 2011 in response to Vic angering the fujoshi, but the content of them don't change. Suddenly in a reddit thread in 2012, someone says "I hear he has sex with underage Ed cosplayers and is creepy" without any further context. In 2013, Lying Lynn's story gets leaked by Younique on AMV.org. Occasionally dedicated congoers or constaff will make snide comments from 2010 onward in tweets about him being creepy. (and get ignored)
In 2014 Vic gets announced as the voice of Rin in Free!, an ecchi-for-girls anime with a side helping of yaoi bait. Suddenly accusations of sexual misconduct erupt all over tumblr and twitter, and the people pushing this claim that these accusations have been around 'over a decade'.
I think I know the missing piece of this story now that connects Huber's affidavit with the online trail and explains the sudden shift:
Back in 2003, Sabat spread the rumors of Vic being a pervert pedo into little boys and little girls not just among the Funimation crew, but everywhere he went. Especially to constaff. He consistently badmouthed Vic and spread those hateful ideas about Vic not as accusations but as gossip. You know, "that fag's in such deep denial he's speaking Egyptian", "you can just tell looking at him he touches little boys any time he can" "word of advice, don't let any of the young girls alone with him, you know how those 'christians' are." "He's so damn narcissistic he has sex with anyone who's dressed up like his characters - oh yeah, any of 'em, it's disgusting" etc.
The convention scene being what it was at the time, that got around, mutating as rumors do, so that many staff who had reason to dislike him otherwise (like him being too demanding, or snapping at them) began to just 'know' that's the kind of guest he was. (Coincidentally, Jen randomly go a hate-on for Vic starting in 2004, the first of her insane stories is set then) - This means that people who were close to the staff, or Younique who happened to get in too close proximity to Manjaw, also got the tip-off that "oh he's creepy, watch out" but it wasn't common knowledge because....it's literally just gossip without even a tiny iota of truth to it, and Vic is wildly popular, even more so back then.
Fujoshi Armageddon strikes. Vic's overall reputation takes a comparatively sharp dip, as the fujoshi go from loving him for their boylove fantasies to hating him for not wanting to pretend Ed banged his brother. I believe from 2011 on to when it hit critical mass i n 2014, the seething constaff took the opportunity to share with a group of congoers who now wouldn't question the oh so totally true gossip their mutated versions of how they heard horror stories from their friend who worked in a different con that a past conrunner had to tear a child out of Vic's arms to protect them.
I say this because there is no support for the claim that "People have known for over a decade" back in 2014 when we look at public-facing information. If we include the missing piece given to us in Huber's affidavit, though, the timeline fits perfectly, and also explains why many people like Younique fall back on 'staff told me long ago to avoid him', rather than actually having their own stories. Not only does the timeline fit, but the reasoning for their behavior fits as well, as there's no longer a question of what inspired the jump from homophobic rage to pedo creep in 2014 when the fujos were already angry for a solid 3-5 years before then without jumping to that except in vague, isolated contexts (all post 2010).
My tl;dr of the rambling:
Vic's sex creep defamation and rumors follow this path-
Sabat -> Constaff -> Volunteers/friends -> Tumblr in 2014 -> Hanleia -> Sabat -> Monica -> Funimation -> CA -> ANN -> Twitter in 2019
Basically, Sabat started the rumors, and then went back and used them as an excuse to get Vic removed much later when the rumors failed to do so on their own. That's my current theory boiled down.
TFS seems to like Vic. At least the main group of them do. If you go back to some of their older hours and hours long streams, especially their Nuzlocke ones before they cut out the endless boring grinding, they talked quite a bit. Their honest opinions of him were that they briefly experienced the 'diva' behavior on their first convention with him, as he was utterly bewilderred over why TFS had a bigger room than him, but that he quickly warmed up to them once he understood what was happening. If you go digging deep in their twitters you'll find that they all had consistently positive things to say about Vic over the years that included personal and professional interaction with him. When kickvic happened, they stayed pretty milquetoast about it and mostly said they wouldn't talk about it until the court case was over. My take remains the same as it's been for the past year, They're in too precarious a professional position to support Vic, but they know their supporters will eat them alive if they go so far as to openly attack him.
Incidentally, I notice that they chose to end DBZA and switch to something safe from Toei during this whole scandal. They gave excuses, but as I observed in the past, if Funimation went down in flames, or even Sabat, Toei would immediately devour them. Dropping DBZA protects them from that possibility, and keeps them from being strapped over a barrel due to a lawsuit that has nothing to do with them.
there are many typos in this, but I've been up entirely too long to go back and fix it now.
According to Chuck Huber, back in 2003 Chris Sabat immediately spread rumors to anyone he casually spoke to about how Vic was a kiddy diddler, both gay and preying on little girls.
According to multiple con staff members, most notably Jen Hunt and to an extent EriMin, constaff didn't like Vic and traded around nasty rumors about him between themselves. This got to a point where in ACEN 2008, while Jennifer was blowing off steam and hiding in the AMV room, she met then 18 year old Younique Bales, and told her an early version of the kidnapping story. This marks the earliest time I can find where a non-staff member is let in on these rumors, because Jen can't help but blab her made up insanity.
From 2007 on to 2010, Vic was on a downhill of popularity due to increasingly angry fujoshi who constantly made up the most absurd rumors about him - they were all about him being ragey and homophobic, however, not sexual. The rumors EXPLODE between 2009 and 2011 in response to Vic angering the fujoshi, but the content of them don't change. Suddenly in a reddit thread in 2012, someone says "I hear he has sex with underage Ed cosplayers and is creepy" without any further context. In 2013, Lying Lynn's story gets leaked by Younique on AMV.org. Occasionally dedicated congoers or constaff will make snide comments from 2010 onward in tweets about him being creepy. (and get ignored)
In 2014 Vic gets announced as the voice of Rin in Free!, an ecchi-for-girls anime with a side helping of yaoi bait. Suddenly accusations of sexual misconduct erupt all over tumblr and twitter, and the people pushing this claim that these accusations have been around 'over a decade'.
I think I know the missing piece of this story now that connects Huber's affidavit with the online trail and explains the sudden shift:
Back in 2003, Sabat spread the rumors of Vic being a pervert pedo into little boys and little girls not just among the Funimation crew, but everywhere he went. Especially to constaff. He consistently badmouthed Vic and spread those hateful ideas about Vic not as accusations but as gossip. You know, "that fag's in such deep denial he's speaking Egyptian", "you can just tell looking at him he touches little boys any time he can" "word of advice, don't let any of the young girls alone with him, you know how those 'christians' are." "He's so damn narcissistic he has sex with anyone who's dressed up like his characters - oh yeah, any of 'em, it's disgusting" etc.
The convention scene being what it was at the time, that got around, mutating as rumors do, so that many staff who had reason to dislike him otherwise (like him being too demanding, or snapping at them) began to just 'know' that's the kind of guest he was. (Coincidentally, Jen randomly go a hate-on for Vic starting in 2004, the first of her insane stories is set then) - This means that people who were close to the staff, or Younique who happened to get in too close proximity to Manjaw, also got the tip-off that "oh he's creepy, watch out" but it wasn't common knowledge because....it's literally just gossip without even a tiny iota of truth to it, and Vic is wildly popular, even more so back then.
Fujoshi Armageddon strikes. Vic's overall reputation takes a comparatively sharp dip, as the fujoshi go from loving him for their boylove fantasies to hating him for not wanting to pretend Ed banged his brother. I believe from 2011 on to when it hit critical mass i n 2014, the seething constaff took the opportunity to share with a group of congoers who now wouldn't question the oh so totally true gossip their mutated versions of how they heard horror stories from their friend who worked in a different con that a past conrunner had to tear a child out of Vic's arms to protect them.
I say this because there is no support for the claim that "People have known for over a decade" back in 2014 when we look at public-facing information. If we include the missing piece given to us in Huber's affidavit, though, the timeline fits perfectly, and also explains why many people like Younique fall back on 'staff told me long ago to avoid him', rather than actually having their own stories. Not only does the timeline fit, but the reasoning for their behavior fits as well, as there's no longer a question of what inspired the jump from homophobic rage to pedo creep in 2014 when the fujos were already angry for a solid 3-5 years before then without jumping to that except in vague, isolated contexts (all post 2010).
My tl;dr of the rambling:
Vic's sex creep defamation and rumors follow this path-
Sabat -> Constaff -> Volunteers/friends -> Tumblr in 2014 -> Hanleia -> Sabat -> Monica -> Funimation -> CA -> ANN -> Twitter in 2019
Basically, Sabat started the rumors, and then went back and used them as an excuse to get Vic removed much later when the rumors failed to do so on their own. That's my current theory boiled down.
TFS seems to like Vic. At least the main group of them do. If you go back to some of their older hours and hours long streams, especially their Nuzlocke ones before they cut out the endless boring grinding, they talked quite a bit. Their honest opinions of him were that they briefly experienced the 'diva' behavior on their first convention with him, as he was utterly bewilderred over why TFS had a bigger room than him, but that he quickly warmed up to them once he understood what was happening. If you go digging deep in their twitters you'll find that they all had consistently positive things to say about Vic over the years that included personal and professional interaction with him. When kickvic happened, they stayed pretty milquetoast about it and mostly said they wouldn't talk about it until the court case was over. My take remains the same as it's been for the past year, They're in too precarious a professional position to support Vic, but they know their supporters will eat them alive if they go so far as to openly attack him.
Incidentally, I notice that they chose to end DBZA and switch to something safe from Toei during this whole scandal. They gave excuses, but as I observed in the past, if Funimation went down in flames, or even Sabat, Toei would immediately devour them. Dropping DBZA protects them from that possibility, and keeps them from being strapped over a barrel due to a lawsuit that has nothing to do with them.
there are many typos in this, but I've been up entirely too long to go back and fix it now.
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For what it’s worth I had heard horrible stories about how he was such a diva and a miserable person to work with from the very first AWA that I worked. These comments came from staff. None of them EVER mentioned any supposed sexual misconduct.
I did not hear any rumors about supposed sexual misconduct until ClossalCon 2015 or 2016 ( I don’t remember off the top of my head) when a post showed up on Tumblr accusing him of being in the pool with young, female fans.
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It seems obvious where he leans...
... but there's a distinct lack in interaction or following of sued parties.
KaiserNeko seems to just suck up to Sabat for whatever perks that brings him and TeamFourStar. He may genuinely not care all that much about the lawsuit and just watches the chaos unfold like we do with popcorn and bated breath.
Just a reminder that making up stories about Vic was a forum game. I think you'll find the post far predates when you heard those stories.
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