The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

No you aren't. You're just declaring that it exists. You are decidedly NOT pointing it out. I have been asking you and the other guy to point it out for pages now. You've refused. In order to point out hypocrisy, you need to point out some professed belief of mine that I am not applying consistently. You have not done this. You cannot do this.

There is literally nothing hypocritical about this. Please explain your actual argument.

You don't give a shit if the baby dies to starvation or dies due to lack of access to healthcare. Therefore, you're fine with infanticide if it would mean your (well, your parents) taxes had to pay for preventing it

 

[Muh Vagina]

2) C-sections exist you know. I'm pretty sure you can get them on request. Also, what does sentience have to do with anything? If you are murdered in your sleep or a deep coma and don't feel it, it doesn't make it right all of a sudden.

Do you even know what a c-section entails? It's major fucking surgery with a long recovery period and you're awake the entire time! https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/c-section/about/pac-20393655

There are a lot of things "science" speculates about. Having a "medical definition" doesn't even begin to encompass the full reality of the world. What about a philosophical definition of what's a human? You cannot get these answers from soulless Jewish science

Is going through pregnancy really suffering? Even if it is, which I don't believe it is, struggle builds character. Ultimately the "pain" of pregnancy will leave someone better off than before. If the mom is so concerned about the pain of labour the c section exists

Nobody in this thread said "abortion is illegal therefore it's wrong," so I don't even what this point is supposed to address.

There is no such thing as a necessary evil. If something is necessary it is good. Abortion isn't necessary and it's not good. Giving to charity isn't necessary but it's good. We would like to build a society which matches, as closely, what we see as morally good even if there's some pain in the process.

The state will prescribe morality whether you like or not. The fact that the state allows abortion means that it's at least morally permissible, but we know that those at the top are demonic and actually think it's a good thing. This attitude of "let people do their own thing" is destroying our countries. We need to control the actions of people because we know what's best for them. we know what's best for our people. Libertarians think the world will be solved through economics. They think that once muslims become 20% of the population we can just make fun of them like any other group. When muslims become 20% of the population you'll see some real shit.
Maybe the most important reason I am against abortion is maintaining a Christian majority. Muslims don't come to the west to build families; they build tribes.

Do you have a thread? Because you deserve one. You're easily the most autistic Kiwi Farms member that I've seen.

Abortion involves your fetus' body. Specifically, it involves the destruction of your fetus' body.

The fetus is a parasite and the mother is the host.

 

[Eris!]

The fetus is a parasite and the mother is the host.

This is insane and reveals a fundamentally broken and bad faith mindset where you just want to say horrid things.

 

[haurchefant]

What the fuck would anti murder people care what one random anti murder person thinks?
Lena Dunham thinks it's sexist not to want to fuck her. She is pro choice.

It's possible to be pro choice and think it's reasonable not to want to fuck Lena Dunham. It's possible to be pro life and not think woman should just die of ectopic pregnancy.

You trying to short circuit the debate by saying "see this one dude is saying crazy things, therefore he is the face of pro life" is really lazy, and convinces nobody except maybe yourself.

Nnnno, lol. Talking to prolife people irl convinced me of this a long time ago. There are plenty of crazies in the prolife movement like this, to think they don't have a prominent place or that they don't get held up by many is very idealistic. There is a reason why prolifers have the reputation they do, there are many people who work very hard to make sure that it's earned. And thus prolifers get dubbed with reputations for being psycho fundie God botherers that want women to die from ectopic pregnancies or for babies to be born just so they can die quickly of painful horrifying birth defects.

Calling someone a babykiller is like calling someone a racist, if you do it long enough then they wear it like a badge of honor.

Funnily enough I used to be a lot more in favor of restrictions on abortion before I came to KF. Then I backread the Hartley Hooligans thread and that quietly convinced me that it's better to kill the kid early then do that to them.

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No. It's not about them. It's about murder being wrong.

I don't care if it's killed.

Pottery.

 

[Samson Pumpkin Jr.]

Do you even know what a c-section entails? It's major fucking surgery with a long recovery period and you're awake the entire time! https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/c-section/about/pac-20393655



Do you have a thread? Because you deserve one. You're easily the most autistic Kiwi Farms member that I've seen.



The fetus is a parasite and the mother is the host.

take a dumb pill, the abortion discussion is too high for you

 

[Eris!]

You don't give a shit if the baby dies to starvation or dies due to lack of access to healthcare. Therefore, you're fine with infanticide if it would mean your (well, your parents) taxes had to pay for preventing it

...Where's the therefore? How does B follow from A?
I am fine with natural death and not fine with murder. Why is this confusing?

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

...Where's the therefore? How does B follow from A?
I am fine with natural death and not fine with murder. Why is this confusing?

You are fine with infanticide if it means you don't have to pay taxes to support them. You're even more evil than the "murderers" (your word) that you hate because you're just a hypocrite about it.

 

[Eris!]

You are fine with infanticide if it means you don't have to pay taxes to support them.

No I'm not.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

No I'm not.

Yes you are. You don't want to support the poor mothers by providing them affordable healthcare and welfare via taxes. You're just a hypocrite. And you know what Jesus says about hypocrites, right?

 

[Eris!]

Yes you are. You don't want to support the poor mothers by providing them affordable healthcare and welfare via taxes.

That's not infanticide.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

That's not infanticide.

It sure as hell is.

 

[Eris!]

It sure as hell is.

It is literally not infanticide for me to not feed every baby on the planet.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

It is literally not infanticide for me to not feed every baby on the planet.

It sure is. You are making them be born, but you don't want them to be supported when the mother (who you forced to have the child) can't afford the kid. So you don't give a shit if the baby dies once it's born.

 

[Eris!]

You are making them be born,

No I'm not. I am a complete stranger with no relationship to them whatsoever.
You can't just say nonsense and expect me to go along with it.

but you don't want them to be supported when the mother (who you forced to have the child) can't afford the kid

Why would I give a shit? Why am I in charge of supporting her kid?

So you don't give a shit if the baby dies once it's born.

There is no point in time where I care if the baby dies. I have never claimed to care if the baby dies. I literally do not give a shit about you or your baby.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

No I'm not. I am a complete stranger with no relationship to them whatsoever.
You can't just say nonsense and expect me to go along with it.


Why would I give a shit? Why am I in charge of supporting her kid?


There is no point in time where I care if the baby dies. I have never claimed to care if the baby dies. I literally do not give a shit about you or your baby.

No, you are making them be born because you want to ban abortion.

You are also against helping poor mothers be able to afford your kid.

Therefore, you really don't give a shit about murder or infanticide. You just like to control others.

I know you are autistic so this whole "seeing thing through the eyes of others" thing is really hard, but just give it a try here.

 

[Eris!]

No, you are making them be born because you want to ban abortion.

That's such a logical absurdity we've already wasted several pages on it. It's nonsense. I did not put the baby in her, I did not cause it to grow, I did not make her biology work the way it does. I am probably several thousand miles away from her at all times. I did literally nothing to her.

Murder being wrong limits her options, not me. I have nothing to do with it.

You are also against helping poor mothers be able to afford your kid.

No I'm not? Make all the charities you want, I don't give a shit.

Therefore, you really don't give a shit about murder or infanticide

I specifically, explicitly, and consistently care about both. You just refuse to deal with what I actually say because you want to argue with something else.

I know you are autistic so this whole "seeing thing through the eyes of others" thing is really hard, but just give it a try here.

Your eyes are wrong, why would I want to see through them?

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

That's such a logical absurdity we've already wasted several pages on it. It's nonsense. I did not put the baby in her, I did not cause it to grow, I did not make her biology work the way it does. I am probably several thousand miles away from her at all times. I did literally nothing to her.

Again, I know you are autistic so this is hard to understand, but by taking away someone's choice, you are indeed forcing them to do the other thing.

So by taking away a woman's right to choose, you are indeed forcing her to have the baby. Thus, because you are against your mom and dad's tax dollars going to social welfare and healthcare programs, you are okay with infanticide.

 

[Eris!]

but by taking away someone's choice, you are indeed forcing them to do the other thing.

I'm not taking anything from them. There is no "right to choose," to murder your fetus, and you can't take something that doesn't exist. Their fetus' right to life was taken from it, we're just giving it back.

So by taking away a woman's right to choose, you are indeed forcing her to have the baby.

No lol. "Forcing her to have a baby" would be literally impregnating her and literally forcing her to literally have a baby. Literally anything other than that is literally not forcing her to have a baby. In order to force her to have a baby, I have to force her to have a baby. This is fucking absurd.

Thus, because you are against your mom and dad's tax dollars going to social welfare and healthcare programs, you are okay with infanticide.

I am against theft and I am against murder.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

I'm not taking anything from them. There is no "right to choose," to murder your fetus, and you can't take something that doesn't exist. Their fetus' right to life was taken from it, we're just giving it back.

No lol. "Forcing her to have a baby" would be literally impregnating her and literally forcing her to literally have a baby. Literally anything other than that is literally not forcing her to have a baby. In order to force her to have a baby, I have to force her to have a baby. This is fucking absurd.


I am against theft and I am against murder.

No, forcing her to have a baby is forcing her to have a baby when she's pregnant. Doesn't matter how she got pregnant. By taking away people's choices, you are forcing them to do stuff.

If you are going to force poor women to have their baby, you better provide social services to help them. People shouldn't be fucked for life financially just because a condom broke

 

[Eris!]

By taking away people's choices, you are forcing them to do stuff.

1. I didn't take anything
2. That's not even true

If you are going to force poor women to have their baby,

I'm not.

you better provide social services to help them.

I owe nothing to a stranger I don't know and will never meet.

People shouldn't be fucked for life financially just because a condom broke

Life doesn't have a safety net. Fucking cry about it.