Inactive Nick Bate / Nickalaus B. Stoutzenberger (Thread 2: THE RECKONING)

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That would be this guy. Sorry, it's a link to Lancaster Online. There were also CP charges in there. This was after a guilty plea. I certainly hope Nick doesn't get off this easy.

I'm usually not a fan of banging the whole "tougher sentences" drum but I must say that strikes me as a very light sentence. And when I compare this guy's case with Nick's, Nick's actually seems less severe - the kid was older (although still very young), Nick didn't give her an STD, and Nick doesn't have any child porn. Maybe there was something to argue for a lighter sentence for this guy beyond his guilty plea?
 
My point was more that if I were this kid's parents, knowing that the original sentence was 23 months and knowing that sentences, as handed down, are not always served in their entirety, I wouldn't want to be living in the same place when the dude got out. I also wondered if he had maybe rolled over on somebody else in a CP ring, or given some piece of information that couldn't be disclosed to the public. But then, I'm not even a law student, so I have no idea what the sentencing guidelines for this type of crime in this jurisdiction are normally.
 
I also wondered if he had maybe rolled over on somebody else in a CP ring, or given some piece of information that couldn't be disclosed to the public.

That was my thought. Either that or he had some kind of health issue that would have made a long imprisonment a disproportionately harsh punishment? Both seem unlikely though, he doesn't look like he was anything other than a consumer of CP and he seems pretty healthy from the photo.
 
The mods are rightly concerned about self-doxing, so to avoid power-leveling too much I'll just say I do live in the same county, and I have driven past the jail. (To my knowledge, I have never been to the town of Washington Boro, at least not on purpose. I do know where Penn Manor High School is -- that's the one Nick failed to fail out of.) There was an aerial photo (I think?) of its goldfish-castle façade earlier in the thread that actually makes the front of it look bigger than it is. But up close, it's tiny, which makes the "castle" part on the front look even more ridiculous -- it looks like forgotten infrastructure for a medieval-themed kiddy park on the edge of town (not the Pennsylvania Renaissance Faire, which is right over the border into an adjacent county). I can easily understand how an itsy-bitsy jail like that, housing both people who are serving sentences for low-tier crimes and people who are merely awaiting trial, could rapidly become overcrowded.

The hot weather in the county has broken, however, and it's been thunderstorming for about two days. I have no idea if this will make any impact on the planned protest or not, but it was only supposed to get up to 55 degrees (I wore a hoodie to the doctor) so that may have reduced the overheating somewhat -- and although I do care about the safety of whoever has to live or work inside that teeny jail building, even if I were super-passionate about the issue, I can see myself finding better things to do than standing in the rain on a Friday night. (Also, it's going to be First Friday, and people will therefore be hella drunk. I can see a hypothetical protester finding better things to do than standing in the rain on a Friday night getting empty bottles of Rolling Rock flung at them from passing cars.)

While I was on Lancaster Online (again, I hate giving them clicks because the editorial staff and commentariat would be absurd if they weren't real live human beings, but that's where all these articles are if you must), I did see something that made my heart kind of sink for Amber. A man was convicted of sexual assault of a child -- I think she was less than 10 -- and got 23 months. You can literally get more time in that for pot possession in this state, thanks to mandatory minimum sentencing (which judges hate too, because it doesn't allow them to consider mitigating or aggravating factors). But 23 months for the sexual assault of a kid. I mean, goddamn. If I were her parents, I'd be making plans to move out of state. Maybe across country.
You can archive an article with this, archive.is, and share the archived version instead so you are not directly giving them links. Just for future reference.

Like this for instance
https://archive.is/GKQWs
 
I'm still here, allegedly.
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Holy crap Nick may be out by the end of the year.
keep in mind tho, hes also super mentally ill so they'll probably keep him for longer (not jail necessarily, but a mental place). also, if they subpoena his twitter, they could get him for the grooming a minor and stalking stuff maybe.
plus, the lancaster online guy pleaded guilty and probably had a decent lawyer, too. nick probably cant afford a good one, would never admit he's guilty, and certainly won't make a good enough impression on the jury. i think it'd be very hard to humanize nick in a way that doesn't subsequently paint him as having a lot of mental problems.
 
The point isn't the shit, the point is that he remembers details from a supposed incident of molestation. Stuff someone in that situation would know.

Provided that was one of the incidents that Amber told the investigators, anyway. It's all conjecture, like a lot of the thread.
Nick's defense wasn't that he didn't molest her that one time because he remembers there being feces, but rather that the entire story recounted in his confession in the chat log couldn't be true because one of the details in his confession is untrue. He says in the video that if he were going to molest someone, then he would do anal no matter what, so therefore if he said he didn't do anal, then the whole story must have been a fabrication and he never molested her like he originally said he had. However, the only thing his poopsturbation video does is suggest that if he did molest her, then he would have done so regardless of the presence of feces; therefore, if there was feces on her, then he probably didn't lie about molesting her, but he might have lied about not molesting her.

So... Nick filmed himself playing with poop and had it released on the Internet and accomplished literally nothing as a result, except potentially incriminating himself or otherwise strengthening the prosecution.

By the way, how did that video get out to the public? I thought he just sent it to the detective.
 
You can archive an article with this, archive.is, and share the archived version instead so you are not directly giving them links. Just for future reference.

Like this for instance
https://archive.is/GKQWs

Thank you, @Red_Rager, you're a gem. I hate that website for several reasons: one, it seemed like a good idea whenever they implemented it, I suppose, but it effectively killed off the morning and evening newspapers and forced them to merge into a really, really thin so-called newspaper (seriously, I've had student excuse notes longer than the typical issue of the Merged Newspaper With Very Long Name); two, the dominant editors are the ones who decided to run things like the comic Mallard Fillmore (a "funny"-animal political gag-a-day strip). I've seen people on this site make reasonable arguments for conservative points of view. Mallard Fillmore and Michelle Malkin's column? Not that. Three, the commenters are the people who reply to a story about a given murder in which both perp and victim were black (unsurprisingly, because most murders are committed by people who are at least acquaintances, I've read, and the ethnic groups in town are pretty segregated geographically) and use this as an example of how "jungle bunnies" (no joke, someone said that) are ruining the area. In fact, most of the commenters could be different headmates of our dear friend Jonathan Mack Sweet.

Anyway, the more I think about it, @AnOminous and @Dudeofteenage make a point I hadn't thought of: the CP guy pled guilty, and Nick is so out of it that he knows other people think CP and stuff like he did to Amber are wrong... but, per his psych eval, doesn't understand why. @maddipuppy - didn't someone say upthread that Nick had finally been assigned a public defender, or am I just tired and making that up?
 
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keep in mind tho, hes also super mentally ill so they'll probably keep him for longer (not jail necessarily, but a mental place). also, if they subpoena his twitter, they could get him for the grooming a minor and stalking stuff maybe.
plus, the lancaster online guy pleaded guilty and probably had a decent lawyer, too. nick probably cant afford a good one, would never admit he's guilty, and certainly won't make a good enough impression on the jury. i think it'd be very hard to humanize nick in a way that doesn't subsequently paint him as having a lot of mental problems.
While they may subpoena his twitter account for evidence related to the matter at hand, any stalking related material would be counted as irrelevant and excluded based on its possible inflammatory nature.
 
IIRC, he sent it to someone else, not sure if it was a friend. It was basically "this is the video I'm sending to the coop."
at one point in the video he says "it was requested that i masturbate.."
i dont know who would request that but lord help them
@maddipuppy - didn't someone say upthread that Nick had finally been assigned a public defender, or am I just tired and making that up?
yeah, but he supposedly isn't a very good one.
 
By the way, how did that video get out to the public? I thought he just sent it to the detective.

He posted it. I have read allegations that he was actually trolled into creating the video in the first place, which if so, whoever did that was doing God's work.
 
I thought it was someone from here who asked him to do it on Twitter. I'm pretty sure it was someone from here who gave him advice on uploading it and asked him to post a download link. Whoever the hell it was, you might have ensured Nick goes to prison. Truly you have done Godbear's work.
 
nicks family is generally horrible with animals. they've gone through quite a few cats, and often you can see they have fleas or patches of something on them if you look at pictures/videos. ironic because Nick's mom lives on/runs a farm with horses.
awhile ago there was a video on YouTube of the news in PA with Nick's mom talking about her horses getting sick, i don't remember what her name is or when it was from, but i remember that happening.

This makes me so fucking pissed off yet at the same time I'm not surprised. Nick's mom certainly didn't take care of her son, and her care of Amber is iffy, given how malnourished Amber looked in that picture. If she can't take proper care of her kids, then of course she's not going to be qualified to take care of animals.
 
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