War BREAKING NEWS: Nancy Pelosi says Congress will discuss using 25th Amendment powers which could REMOVE Donald Trump amid fears COVID steroid treatment - Retard President going to the group home with Chris



Trump claims he is 'cured' in first interview since COVID hospital treatment​

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Speaker Nancy Pelosi said she would lead a discussion on Friday about invoking the 25th amendment to remove President Donald Trump from office amid fears the medication he is taking for his COVID treatment are affecting his mental health.

'Come here tomorrow,' she told reporters on Capitol Hill Thursday. 'We're going to be talking about the 25th Amendment.'


She refused to give any more details - a move that will likely stoke speculation and build suspense over the next 24 hours.

'I'll talk to you about that tomorrow,' she said when asked about it. 'I'll talk to you about it tomorrow. I'm not talking about it today except to tell you if you want to talk about that I'll see you tomorrow.'

Pelosi spoke after Trump was interviewed on Fox Business Network in a frenzied almost hour-long interview where he suggested Gold Star families may have infected him with COVID, claimed again he was 'cured,' equivocated over whether he is still on powerful steroids, demanded AG Bill Barr indict Joe Biden and Barack Obama and twice called Kamala Harris a 'monster.'

She indicated Friday's conversation was related to concerns about the steroid Trump is taking. Some doctors have raised concerns about dexamethasone, which can cause insomnia, mania, mood swings, and rage. It has shown promise for treating patients with a severe case of COVID who are getting supplemental oxygen.

The 25th Amendment's doomsday clause, section four, allowed a president to be removed from office against his will because of incapacity, whether physical or mental.

But it could only be used to remove Trump with the assistance of Mike Pence and members of his Cabinet, which currently appears unlikely.

It does however allow Congress to appoint a body to assess the president's fitness - which gives Pelosi an opening and in the context of an election campaign, a chance to taunt her long-term enemy Trump, who for years has called her 'Crazy Nancy.'

Pelosi has been sounding the alarm on Trump's mental state for the past few days after he issued a surprising tweet on Tuesday calling off negotiations on a COVID relief bill. His move crashed the stock market.

'I've quoted others to say that there are those who say that when you're on steroids and/or if you've had COVID-19 or both - that there may be some impairment of judgment. But, again, that's for the doctors and scientists to determine, but it was very strange, really surprising and I'm rarely surprised, when the president took to the tweet and saying that he wants the Senate to have full focus on this confirmation of the justice and turned attention away, so we're stopping negotiations,' she told Bloomberg News.


The speaker had been in talks with Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin on a new deal with the tweet was issued. When the tweet hit the internet she was on a conference call with Democratic lawmakers where she blamed Trump's medication for his decision.

She's also questioned if Mnuchin was warned about the president's move.

'I almost wonder if Steve Mnuchin knew the president was going to do that,' she said at her press conference Thursday.

Trump admitted in an interview with Fox Business on Thursday he is taking the powerful steroid but he said called it a 'not heavy' drug.

'I think the public deserves to know the health condition of the President,' Pelosi said during her weekly press conference on Capitol Hill.

'Mr President, when was the last time you had a negative test before you tested positive? Why is the White House not telling the country that important fact about how this spread made a hotspot of the White House?' she added.

Congress, however, has a limited role in the 25th amendment, which gives executive power to the vice president should the president become incapacitated.

A president can voluntarily hand over power on a temporary basis - George W. Bush did when he was unconscious for a colonoscopy. But if Trump would refuse, then Vice President Mike Pence and a majority of the cabinet could force the issue, and, if Trump objected to it, there would be a deciding vote by Congress.

Trump indicated to Fox Business that he was no longer taking medication to combat the virus but then said he was going to take dexamethasone a little bit longer. It is a powerful steroid given to those with COVID who have trouble breathing.

'I think I'm taking almost nothing. I think I'm finished with just about everything,' Trump said of his medical regime.

Then he said he had 'a little bit longer' on the dexamethasone.

He added: 'I think you go a little bit longer on - they have a steroid. It's not even, it's not a heavy steroid, yet they have that go a little bit longer, but I'm not taking - I'm almost not taking anything, I feel great.'

'I'm almost not taking anything,' he said of the cocktail of medications his medical team had him on. His treatment regime included the dexamethasone, an experimental anti-viral drug that Regeneron Pharmaceuticals is testing to supply antibodies that help a patient fight the disease, and the antiviral drug remdesivir.

He said he would be tested for the virus again 'soon.'

'I'll be tested very soon but I'm essentially very clean. They say it's over a period of six seven days,' he said.

He also announced he is cured from COVID.

'I'm ready to go except for the quarantine situation,' he told Fox Business's Maria Bartiromo on Thursday morning in a telephone interview. 'I don't think I'm contagious at all.'

'Remember this: when you catch it you get better. And then you're immune,' he said.

He claimed to be healthy and raring to go at many points in the 55-minute interview, in which he raged against Hillary Clinton and the investigations against him, said he would not participate in the next debate since it's virtual, and called Democratic vice presidential nominee Kamala Harris a 'monster.'

'I'm a perfect physical specimen and I'm extremely young. And so I'm lucky that way,' said the president, who at 74 and overweight is in the high risk category for COVID.
 
I don't care about the political stuff here, the only quarrel I had was the apparent denial that he could potentially be manic atm.
The whole thing is entirely political. The point is it doesn't matter if he's manic, you dose him with an anti-psychotic and its done. You keep him on it while stopping the steroid and no more psychosis. Even if he WERE manic, that doesn't justify the 25th amendment. He has to be completely fucking out of it to enact the 25th. So mania wouldn't even qualify, and even if it did, it is an easily solvable solution.

Even if you DO enact the 25th, you get President Pence. Then you have Trump take a break from President and he jets all around the country, campaigning like a madman, bragging the Dems gave him some time off to campaign. Then a week later you have Trump resume his duties. What does this change? You get Trump out of office for a week, maybe two? And in that time you give him basically one or two weeks of free campaigning time. He can then brag that Pence can run the country and there's no need for any silly concerns.

What, they try to fucking impeach Pence? Then Trump just comes back. The whole thing serves NO POINT. Strategically, its a massive loss. Who are they appealing to? Votes they already have? What is the point? I just have no answer to this. The 25th is entirely under the control of Pence and the executive branch. What the fuck is the purpose? Are they losing enthusiasm among their strongest base, idiotic retards who believe everything that the media says and have TDS? Then they're completely and utterly fucked.

Did some idiotic billionaire come to her after getting high off cocaine and with his herpes ridden cock from the prostitutes he's been fucking and order Nancy to try the 25th amendment because that will finally get rid of Drumpf and she just had to fucking grin and bear it and eat shit? Like, this is the only answer that makes sense. Some fucktarded donor came up with this, shitting himself, his brain full of swiss cheese and asked Pelosi to do it. Every time she said it wasn't a good idea he let out a shart.

It is a completely wrong play. Politically and strategically, even medically. Its a process entirely within the control of the executive. There is no point invoking it, you only have things to lose by doing so. There's absolutely no gain from this. It had to be orders from on high. Either from the Biden campaign, a donor, the DNC or Hilary. All three of those are fucking stupid enough to do it. Nobody even mentioned the 25th when Trump got COVID, because it'd just be President Pence. So now they're going to do it over a steroid treatment? Its stupid. It is beyond stupid.

I don't get her thinking unless an outside influence told her to do it. Even then, she should have sacked up and said "That's fucking retarded." But Pelosi probably just doesn't give a shit at this point. She has her seat for life and shit doesn't matter at all so she just probably shrugged and was like "IDGAF, dig your own grave. You are the Democratic party, right?" Like she could be caught raping black babies and the media would still cover for her. She'd probably still win her seat. So what the fuck does she care if the DNC or Biden implodes with stupidity over orders? It has no consequences for her.
 
The House is absolutely well within its power to create the "Commission on Presidential Capacity to Discharge the Powers and Duties of Office Act.". They could lube this commission up and shot-put it straight down the Slip-and-Slide sand there isn't a single, damned thing that anyone could do to stop it. The House could also draft up a "Commission on Presidential Capacity to Shit Moon Rocks" and nobody could stop that, either. This is a commission to draft a special sort of bill that doesn't need to be sent to the Senate, it just needs a majority vote in the House.

The Commission is basically just a hearing to discuss a topic, hold hearings, and elucidate whatever topic the bill is proposing. In this case, it would be multiple hearings about how much the Democrats hate Trump. A running theme in these hearings will be that these hearings have absolutely no power to do absolutely anything. They have no subpeona power and they have no legislative power, because the entire point of this commission is to submit a report offering an opinion.

That's it. That's all the commission can do.

Not a single person on the Commission, nor any of the witnesses they may be able to convince to come to the hearings will have any authority whatsoever under the 25th Amendment to actually follow through on what is a forgone conclusion of these hearings: The Democrats hate Trump. So, under Pelosi's guidance, the House is going to be "studying" something that is none of the House's business, with no actual authority to investigate the topic, no ability to compel witnesses or extract testimonies, and all of this to reach a conclusion that is obvious from the onset: The Democrats hate Trump.

If they're actually stupid enough to go through with this, they'll use this hearing to generate a report that says the President is unfit for office, and as a result they lose every swing district in the upcoming election. This is a blatantly partisan bill and they're so fucking stupid that they're doing this barely a month away from the election. Many of the Democrats in the House are in "Trump districts" or districts that are not exactly Democrat bastions, so by forcing them in to vote on this, your only two outcomes can be that a shitload of Democrats defect and you look like a power-hungry retard for proposing it, or you get all of them to sign off on a naked power grab, the public panics, and votes all of them out a week later.

What a cunning strategy, and by that I mean impotent, toothless, and you've got to be fucking retarded to even say it out loud in the first place.

TL;DR: DO IT, FAGGOT.
 
This could backfire in obvious ways, but no one is talking about how not only is this considered desperation, no one really is talking about Kamala’s performance as a VP. Not to mention, most of the 25th Amendment excuse is based on them trying to rewrite the Constitution by being unconstitutional.
 
we are now replacing him with someone likable and competent."
That would be a much more effective strategy if they had someone likable and competent. How do you think they ended up with Biden in the first place? He's literally the best they could fucking manage, I mean realistically who could they replace him with?
Kamala, a woman so unlikeable she couldn't even make it to the actual primaries?
Bernie, a dude so divisive he splits his own fucking party, let alone the country
Warren, aka Sanders-but-literally-worse-in-every-way


She's essentially demanding Trump's own appointments remove him from office.
Nah, she knows that's not happening, and that this committee can't do jack shit. It's just an attempt to borrow the legitimacy of government to lend authority to her spurious attacks on Trump, kinda like they did with the impeachment horseshit when they knew it wouldn't go anywhere.
 
If they try to do this, I want an immediate demand to piss test EVERYONE in Congress and the Senate and the results made public.

Specific things I want them tested for:

  • Dementia medication
  • Alzheimer's Medication
  • Parkinson's medication
  • Marijuana (just to be petty)
  • Cocaine
  • Meth
  • Fentanyl
  • Incontinence medication
  • IBS medication
  • Butt Hurt medication

I then want ALL of them to take a supervised cogency test followed by a supervised IQ test.

I want them then to have to release ALL of their medical records to the American people.

Then their banking records.

And ALL the results made public.

After all, don't we deserve to make sure that they are competent to run the country and don't have any outside influence.
Fair's fair.
 
A majority of either chamber of Congress can verbally inform the Speaker of the House and the president pro tempore of the Senate that they think the president can't carry out the duties of the office. The president then responds in writing within 4 days "I disagree" if there is disagreement. Then the House and Senate vote and if a simple majority in both vote that the president can't carry out the duties of the office, they send a letter to the Speaker and president pro tempore saying nah the president can't in our opinion regardless of what the president says about it. Then within 21 days a two-thirds majority of both the House and Senate must vote that he can't or the effort at removal fails.

The Democrats don't have two thirds of either the House or the Senate. This is pure schoolyard retardery that will only help the president drive turnout among his base of crackers in the hills.
 
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This is very obviously a political move. Pelosi isn't retarded, she knows the Senate won't pass it, she knows Trump won't sign it into law, and she knows that Pence and the Cabinet won't remove Trump from office. In fact, I'd bet that if there were any chance that it actually would work, she wouldn't do it. The point is to draw attention to Trump's mental state.
 
I don't think you all understand. The president still has COVID and that causes extreme fatigue. The steroids causes the opposite extreme. It's best to be in bed for a week after treatment. The president is in danger of a massive stroke or heart attack or both.

He needs to rest or he could keel over dead.
 
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I don't think you all understand. The president still has COVID and that causes extreme fatigue. The steroids causes the opposite extreme. It's best to be in bed for a week after treatment. The president is in danger of a massive stroke or heart attack or both.

He needs to rest or he could keel over dead.

Is there some part of no symptoms that is in reptile lizard alien tongue so people don't understand it?
 
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Is there some part of no symptoms that is in reptile lizard alien tongue so people don't understand it?

The steriods can cause stroke and heart attack. And steroids don't heal the body, it supresses the immune systems response. That means, if COVID is not completely gone, they are reproducing unimpeded.

A person can heal from COVID and the Flu, think they are better. Walk around for a few hours feeling great with no symptoms and then get hit with it hard again.
 
I had to take a double check on the article just to make sure what I was reading wasn't just my imagination. There is no way Pelosi is serious about invoking the 25th Amendment on Trump, not when he's far from incapacitated. This has to be a theatrical to keep the focus on Trump after the disaster that was The Wicked Witch of Commiefornia's performance last night. The timing is too coincidental.

Pretty much this. Look at the last week and a half, with the election 1 month out:
--RGB is dead, Trump is all but assured of being able to create a long term conservative majority on the SC before the election
--Presidential Debate was pretty much a tie. Both sides looked bad, both sides say their guy dunked on the other guy. In reality Trump was Trump, and all Biden had to do was keep his cool. Instead he tried to out Trump Trump and got baited into looking bad
--Trump gets COVID. Trump shows no bad effects. Trump sails through and never misses a beat, recovering rapidly
--Kamala gets assraped by Pence her own smug petulance at the VP Debate
--Trump says "nah, fuck it" to any more debates
--Biden is Hidin'

So this is a Hail Mary on her part. This isn't to actually remove Trump, it's to get people talking about Trump's (alleged) lack of fitness. To cast doubts on the few undecided swing voters left that Trump should not be in office. To call attention to the fact that Orange Man is Bad and Sick and maybe throw a few more counties Joe's way and tip a couple states. She has no serious hope of taking Trump down like that and she knows it. She just is figuring the optics of "cast doubt on Trump's health/mind/fitness" outweighs the fact that she's talking a soft coup less than a month before the election.

She'll probably announce this Committee to Investigate the Health of Our Fascist Not Our President and Recommendations For How We Can Easily Remove Presidents in the Future and have it running parallel with the SC Hearings to get that diminished in the news cycle. Then a few days before the election they will duly announce they feel Drumpf is unable to continue as President due to BRAIN PROBLEMS and she'll hold a sham vote in the House calling for the removal of Trump so that is headlines on 11/3.

Not saying I agree, or it's a good plan, but I think this is her mindset.


Imagine unironically opening the door on this issue at the same time you're trying to elect Joe fucking Biden of all people. Absolutely fucking gigabrain move by the Democrats

This may also be a side benefit. If they win, they need to quickly remove Joe and install Kamala; this would make it easier.
 
I don't think you all understand. The president still has COVID and that causes extreme fatigue. The steroids causes the opposite extreme. It's best to be in bed for a week after treatment. The president is in danger of a massive stroke or heart attack or both.

He needs to rest or he could keel over dead.
Maybe. But that's irrelevant. As long as he's able to discharge the powers and duties of the office in the opinion of the VP and the cabinet, he's fit for duty. Not getting enough bedrest does not disqualify him. Being mortal and subject to death does not disqualify him.

There's absolutely no point. Since its not permanent, why even fucking bother?
It's a stunt. Pelosi thinks it's a cunning stunt.

A majority of either chamber of Congress can verbally inform the Speaker of the House and the president pro tempore of the Senate that they think the president can't carry out the duties of the office. The president then responds in writing within 4 days "I disagree" if there is disagreement. Then the House and Senate vote and if a simple majority in both vote that the president can't carry out the duties of the office, they send a letter to the Speaker and president pro tempore saying nah the president can't in our opinion regardless of what the president says about it. Then within 21 days a two-thirds majority of both the House and Senate must vote that he can't or the effort at removal fails.
That's not how the 25A works. We don't have a parliamentary system where the legislature can take a vote of no confidence. The legislative and executive branches are separate. The only way for the legislative branch to remove a President is through impeachment. What you are describing above is almost (but not quite) the procedure to resolve a dispute between the President and Acting President.
 
The House is absolutely well within its power to create the "Commission on Presidential Capacity to Discharge the Powers and Duties of Office Act.". They could lube this commission up and shot-put it straight down the Slip-and-Slide sand there isn't a single, damned thing that anyone could do to stop it. The House could also draft up a "Commission on Presidential Capacity to Shit Moon Rocks" and nobody could stop that, either. This is a commission to draft a special sort of bill that doesn't need to be sent to the Senate, it just needs a majority vote in the House.

The Commission is basically just a hearing to discuss a topic, hold hearings, and elucidate whatever topic the bill is proposing. In this case, it would be multiple hearings about how much the Democrats hate Trump. A running theme in these hearings will be that these hearings have absolutely no power to do absolutely anything. They have no subpeona power and they have no legislative power, because the entire point of this commission is to submit a report offering an opinion.

That's it. That's all the commission can do.

Not a single person on the Commission, nor any of the witnesses they may be able to convince to come to the hearings will have any authority whatsoever under the 25th Amendment to actually follow through on what is a forgone conclusion of these hearings: The Democrats hate Trump. So, under Pelosi's guidance, the House is going to be "studying" something that is none of the House's business, with no actual authority to investigate the topic, no ability to compel witnesses or extract testimonies, and all of this to reach a conclusion that is obvious from the onset: The Democrats hate Trump.

If they're actually stupid enough to go through with this, they'll use this hearing to generate a report that says the President is unfit for office, and as a result they lose every swing district in the upcoming election. This is a blatantly partisan bill and they're so fucking stupid that they're doing this barely a month away from the election. Many of the Democrats in the House are in "Trump districts" or districts that are not exactly Democrat bastions, so by forcing them in to vote on this, your only two outcomes can be that a shitload of Democrats defect and you look like a power-hungry retard for proposing it, or you get all of them to sign off on a naked power grab, the public panics, and votes all of them out a week later.

What a cunning strategy, and by that I mean impotent, toothless, and you've got to be fucking retarded to even say it out loud in the first place.

TL;DR: DO IT, FAGGOT.
I think there is a constitutional Hail Mary here that’s absurd, but technically possible.

Section 4 of the 25th amendment to the Constitution says that the deciders are the President’s cabinet, or other body that Congress may by law provide. While I believe this is exactly what you say it is, it could also be an investigation in how to define a body of “professionals” whose purpose is to permanently cancel presidents. The president’s written “I’m okay” also needs to be ratified by this body.

This would indeed be as dumb as the nuclear option of the filibuster. It would create an oligarchy and essentially trigger a civil crisis.

The legislature is too powerful.

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Section 4 of the 25th constitution says that the deciders are the President’s cabinet, or other body that Congress may by law provide. ...
The Vice President and the cabinet or other body provided by law. I don't think there is such a body at present, the Democrats don't have a veto-proof majority to create such a body at this time, and there's no hint that the Vice President would go along with it.
 
Pretty much this. Look at the last week and a half, with the election 1 month out:
--RGB is dead, Trump is all but assured of being able to create a long term conservative majority on the SC before the election
--Presidential Debate was pretty much a tie. Both sides looked bad, both sides say their guy dunked on the other guy. In reality Trump was Trump, and all Biden had to do was keep his cool. Instead he tried to out Trump Trump and got baited into looking bad
--Trump gets COVID. Trump shows no bad effects. Trump sails through and never misses a beat, recovering rapidly
--Kamala gets assraped by Pence her own smug petulance at the VP Debate
--Trump says "nah, fuck it" to any more debates
--Biden is Hidin'

So this is a Hail Mary on her part. This isn't to actually remove Trump, it's to get people talking about Trump's (alleged) lack of fitness. To cast doubts on the few undecided swing voters left that Trump should not be in office. To call attention to the fact that Orange Man is Bad and Sick and maybe throw a few more counties Joe's way and tip a couple states. She has no serious hope of taking Trump down like that and she knows it. She just is figuring the optics of "cast doubt on Trump's health/mind/fitness" outweighs the fact that she's talking a soft coup less than a month before the election.

She'll probably announce this Committee to Investigate the Health of Our Fascist Not Our President and Recommendations For How We Can Easily Remove Presidents in the Future and have it running parallel with the SC Hearings to get that diminished in the news cycle. Then a few days before the election they will duly announce they feel Drumpf is unable to continue as President due to BRAIN PROBLEMS and she'll hold a sham vote in the House calling for the removal of Trump so that is headlines on 11/3.

Not saying I agree, or it's a good plan, but I think this is her mindset.




This may also be a side benefit. If they win, they need to quickly remove Joe and install Kamala; this would make it easier.
You've hit the nail in the head. Pelosi is much smarter than what people giver her credit for. Politicians are successful at manipulating the average person because they make people believe they want to do X thing for the people yet actually want to achieve Y. Why else was she able to work up to being one of the most powerful Congress member despite never holding a Senate seat? She's literally two removals away from the Presidency. Not that she'll ever get it, but still.

To be fair, she tried a similar stunt with the impeachment scandals in hopes that it would damage Trump, knowing that it would not remove him from the office. That time, it backfired. This stunt is similar in that she's preparing for a weeks long Congressional drama up until the election. The scary part is, it might actually work since it concerns Trump's weakest subject, the coronavirus. Then if Biden wins the election - as you said - he will be quickly replaced with Harris.

This has all sort of horrific implications and almost no one is picking it up. I'm not just talking normies, I mean almost everyone. Possibly even Trump himself. Someone needs to get this ulterior motive plan out of him, pull him aside, and tell him what Pelosi is really going to do. Hopefully someone from the Trump campaign is reading this, however optimistic this may sound.
 
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