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Where is the video of that?Denver is also a big no-go city for open carry of pistols, different from the state; been a bone of contention for years.
Mace guy didn't use the mace until he saw the pistol; which was after the slap, which was after soycurity ran up and tried to snatch the spray.
Soycurity backpedaled 6-8ft, drew, got sprayed first (by fractions of a second), shot fired.
He's done, as far as the law goes.
Here's the still shot you're talking about.Where is the video of that?
Namely soycurity coming up and trying to grab the spray and getting slapped down?
It isn't here. Only stills in the other thread of boonie hat guy landing a backhand.
Bro it's Denver, he's gonna get off scott free.Aww, he got bitch-slapped and maced and thinks it's justified deadly force. It isn't. Also, Colorado isn't a "stand your ground" state, so this guy's going to have some real fun in court.
That requires quite a bit of interpretation to make that scenario work. What definitely is happening is soycurity is moving between boonie hat guy and the producer. Could be just trying to push past and clear a way forward. Who knows. But since he was there paid to do a job by a reputable company I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he wasn't trying to start shit with some rando.Here's the still shot you're talking about.
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You can clearly see that soycurity has his weight shifted on his left foot and was moving forward prior to the slap, and it looks as if biker dude has his weight shifted to the back and on his right foot. The reporter also looks like he's moving forward at the time, and behind soycurity. He may or may not have been reaching for the mace, but it sure looks like he was. There's also the fact that in the video which only briefly shows the biker dude at the time of the shooting, it looks like he's backing up as he starts spraying.
Call me pessimistic, but it's gonna be a case of what the political views of the victim vs those of the killer are.Remember, boonie hat guy is dead. This isn't a case of whether he felt the need to do what he did. It is the soycurity and what his situation and mindset was.
Yeah, most likely. These DUDE WEED motherfuckers don't give a shit about actual deadly force protocol, or laws, or anything really. They just want to sit around huffing their bongs and chomping on Cheetos until the Sun engulfs the Earth.Bro it's Denver, he's gonna get off scott free.
If you wait until you've been blinded by mace\pepper spray you won't be able to see your assailant charging you and you're fucked if they decide to. It takes almost no time at all to cross 6 feet.Sure, but it's hard to say "the guy was trying to disarm me" when he's spraying you with mace instead of charging you, like anyone else would if they were trying to take your gun. I doubt either of them had any professional training, but even a complete moron knows that in order to disarm someone, you need to be up close, not 5-6 feet away.
There's no interpretation to it. Even from the perspective you're presenting "What definitely is happening is soycurity is moving between boonie hat guy and the producer" soycurity still initiated the contact. Biker dude had no way of knowing either of the two who were approaching them did not have hostile intent. At best it's a manslaughter charge for soycurity since it was gross negligence for him and the producer to be walking around neither marked as press nor security and then inserting themselves in an active conflict.That requires quite a bit of interpretation to make that scenario work. What definitely is happening is soycurity is moving between boonie hat guy and the producer. Could be just trying to push past and clear a way forward. Who knows. But since he was there paid to do a job by a reputable company I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he wasn't trying to start shit with some rando.
Remember, boonie hat guy is dead. This isn't a case of whether he felt the need to do what he did. It is the soycurity and what his situation and mindset was.
The shooter assaulted the victim first and the victim only used pepper spray AFTER the gun was drawn. If he was randomly shooting pepper spray at everyone the belligerent black guy he was arguing with before would have been hit with it as well.If you wait until you've been blinded by mace\pepper spray you won't be able to see your assailant charging you and you're fucked if they decide to. It takes almost no time at all to cross 6 feet.
I wouldn't advise trying to pepper spray a lone cop pointing a gun, either. Because this guy is not a cop, he's not going to enjoy the presumptions that a cop would... or at least would have a year ago. But he may very well have a good self-defense case to make if he can show that he was assaulted. And you can bet he will have some expensive defensive tactics experts hired by his legal team (assuming he was actually working) to explain to the jury why you don't have to wait for someone to actually grab your gun away to shoot them when they are assaulting you. What happened leading up to this (and who is determined to be the aggressor) is going to matter.
I'm just amazed that all these people laying down in front of cars and trying to use mace against people aiming guns at them have lived this long.
That's because it works. People still engage them as if they actually have principles, as though they are honest when they argue or debate. This is classic rules for radicals, and people still think there is room for debate at this point.The shithead leftists on twitter are now seriously claiming its self defense even though it was totally not one of them and he's an evil white supremacist thug who needed to die anyways for daring to oppose BLM. They will literally defend the right of pedophiles and rapists to not get shot but being against BLM is worthy of a death sentence. And they are now suddenly pro 2nd Amendment and shooting anyone at the slightest provocation. Fuck these people to hell.
Let's take a moment to enjoy the irony of a group of people who burn down entire cities while screaming "lives matter more than property," have now killed some dude, and are pissed because he dumped a box of donuts.A couple weeks ago Lee posted asking friends to give him a heads up if they saw the Snack Van and some other antifa vehicles:
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He was involved with Reopen Colorado:
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This is his son:
His name was Lee Keltner and he owned a cowboy hat making business:
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Biker dude ain't the one on trial here. Soycurity is. What his feelings are in the matter and why he did what he did, his perspective, don't matter. Only soycurities. His "reasonable belief".There's no interpretation to it. Even from the perspective you're presenting "What definitely is happening is soycurity is moving between boonie hat guy and the producer" soycurity still initiated the contact. Biker dude had no way of knowing either of the two who were approaching them did not have hostile intent. At best it's a manslaughter charge for soycurity since it was gross negligence for him and the producer to be walking around neither marked as press nor security and then inserting themselves in an active conflict.
From biker dude's perspective, the producer was Antifa fag one (this is confirmed to literally be the case now), and soycurity was Antifa fag two and aggressively approaching him. At this point, biker dude had a reasonable fear for his safety and responded with non-lethal force. Soycurity had no reasonable fear for his safety and responded with lethal force.