Terry Pratchett's "The Watch" - A diverse and inclusive steampunk BBC series inspired by the Discworld Novels

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Here is the trailer, archived for posterity because I hate all of you so fucking much and want you all to suffer as I have
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EDIT: As anybody who just saw my mental breakdown on chat probably knows, they also have uploaded full clips of the series to be enjoyed, which I will inflict upon all of you now because I. WILL. NOT. FUCKING. SUFFER. ALONE.

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Dont mind me im just gonna stand here and stare for a while....
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DOUBLE EDIT: OH YEAH AND VIMES AND ANGUA ARE IN A PUNK BAND IN THIS ADAPTATION TOO JUST THOUGHT YALL SHOULD KNOW THAT
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Prefacing this by saying I have never consumed Terry Pratchett's work, so I have no real attachments.

I know of Discworld, I know it's a work with a lot of love put into it, truly one of a kind. Never gotten to read it, for whatever reason. But I respect it, it's fans and it's out-there approach to fantasy.

This fucking thing, whatever it is, is not anything resembling what I would expect if I ever crack a book of the series open. This is so insulting someone that isn't even a fan of the material, is frankly disgusted at it and at everyone in it.
 
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Dang Woodchucks! said:
Prefacing this by saying I have never consumed Terry Pratchett's work, so I have no real attachments.

I know of Discworld, I know it's a work with a lot of love put into it, truly one of a kind. Never gotten to read it, for whatever reason. But I respect it, it's fans and it's out-there approach to fantasy.

This fucking thing, whatever it is, is not anything resembling what I would expect if I ever crack a book of the series open. This is so insulting someone that isn't even a fan of the material, is frankly disgusted at it and at everyone in it.
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To put it simply one of the books, not just from the setting as a whole but from the specific set of characters this tv series plans to focus on, by the name of Jingo has a more nuanced and well thought out take on race relationships than the majority of American media at this point. One of the plot twists essentially boils down to "maybe you should have assumed that perhaps people who aren't white can also be assholes?"

This is not the entirety of the book of course and nor is it a "wah, people from other country/skin colour bad." It takes the piss with complete evenhandedness about racism in general. But one character does, due to succumbing to critical race theory essentially, discount the idea that it could be anyone but his own country to blame for a crime. In large part because he feels that even considering the possibility the issue lies with foreigners would make him a racist like the various ones he has to work with. And because of that he refuses to come to obvious conclusions until it is literally spelt out for him.

Subtly done, not hammered in, no interest in screaming out a screed about never trusting (insert any group here). Most of the other books are the same. There is no way that level of insight will appear in what we seem to be getting on the screen.

If anyone has never read any in the series I'd actually suggest giving one called Small Gods a go. While not the funniest or best written it does not tie into most of the other books but is a genuinely interesting take on what happens when a faith's worship begins to be less about the deity and the foundation of the faith and more about the church around it.
 
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This reminded me of student drama. The self-indulgence, the unsubtle look-how-clever-we-are stuff, the jokes that you just know the writers were rofling over, the fuck-you-dad attitude to the source material, it’s all there.

What I found particularly interesting was seeing how they screwed up particular aspects of the story. Like the relationship between Vimes and Vetinari - in the books, it’s all manipulation and mind games on both sides. They’re both smart, shifty bastards, they both know it and in a weird way, that makes them equals. But no, let’s have Vimes flipping the tyrant dictator off, and straight-up asking her (!) what she wants him to do. That’s good too. Christ.
 
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It really is a pathetic attempt. I could do better with a pickup group from a sci-fi/fantasy convention.

What is it with Vimes wearing eyeliner?

Sybil Vimes (nee Ramkin) is invariably described as a substantial woman. Not necessarily fat, either; less landwhale, more sumo wrestler. The body positivity people need to be eating these idiots' lunch over this one.

Way to completely fuck up the character of Cheery, you pack of faggots.

Goddamn, the whole thing looks like they were halfway through an adaptation of Dishonored and switched gears to The Watch. Fuck me.

I'm so glad Pterry's not around to see this.
 
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Nobody is happy with this, apparently, not even in the usual SJW's caves.
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Sybil Vimes (nee Ramkin) is invariably described as a substantial woman. Not necessarily fat, either; less landwhale, more sumo wrestler. The body positivity people need to be eating these idiots' lunch over this one.
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On Tumblr they are already doing it. People are livid because in the series Sybil is a skinny young thing instead of middle-aged, matronly woman.
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Way to completely fuck up the character of Cheery, you pack of faggots.
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About Cheery, I found this sperging:
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Cheery a transwoman? A few years passed since the last time I read a Watch book, but I'm sure Cheery is a female dwarf. I mean, Angua is able to detect her real sex from her smell, so what the fuck is this moron saying?
 
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TungstenCarbide said:
Nobody is happy with this, apparently, not even in the usual SJW's caves.

On Tumblr they are already doing it. People are livid because in the series Sybil is a skinny young thing instead of middle-aged, matronly woman.

About Cheery, I found this sperging:
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Cheery a transwoman? A few years passed since the last time I read a Watch book, but I'm sure Cheery is a female dwarf. I mean, Angua is able to detect her real sex from her smell, so what the fuck is this moron saying?
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Troons always need to make it about themselves.

It's why they're so repulsive and why I won't shed a tear when they finally meet a violent reckoning.
 
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Kane Lives said:
Troons always need to make it about themselves.

It's why they're so repulsive and why I won't shed a tear when they finally meet a violent reckoning.
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I agree, but I'm quite sure that the author of this post is just a woke lesbian. She's a bit of a big name fan in several fandoms, I'm aware of her since circa 2013. Pretty sure she has a girlfriend, so she doesn't care about what kind of issues lesbians and gays can have with troons, her ass is warm and covered.
 
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TungstenCarbide said:
About Cheery, I found this sperging:
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Cheery a transwoman? A few years passed since the last time I read a Watch book, but I'm sure Cheery is a female dwarf. I mean, Angua is able to detect her real sex from her smell, so what the fuck is this moron saying?
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Cheery is definitely female, and if anything, she’s more binary than your average Morporkian - she chooses to present as female in a culture that frowns on the concept. She probably would have to be played by a dude for the whole thing to make sense.

I guess you could argue for a trans interpretation of Cheery. Her society sees her as male, but she sees herself as female. But that’s only one interpretation. You could also see it as an allegory for feminism, for homosexuality, for living in a fundamentalist society - or just as a silly parody of fantasy dwarves. That’s the beauty of Pratchett. The politics were there, but it was never propaganda.
 
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LazarusOwenhart said:
Fuck her. She's the one who got tight arsed about any new Discworld content post-Terry and now having refused to do what I personally think he WANTED her to do, and continue the series she's bleating that others are doing a shit job.
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He offered her the right, and she respectfully declined. It was nothing more benevolent than humility, nor anything more malevolent than fear of pressure. Only a gifted mind blessed by a tireless hand could bear the responsibility of writing Discworld, and Terry Pratchett was one of the few men ever to live who had both. She was right to shy away from a burden that would have crushed her. She would have only tainted the magic of her father's work, not because she's an untalented writer, but because he was a legend in the field, while she is but a mere professional.

In short, get fucked and neck yourself. Every good thing has an end, and Discworld ended while it was still fucking good.
 
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Red Sun said:
He offered her the right, and she respectfully declined. It was nothing more benevolent than humility, nor anything more malevolent than fear of pressure. Only a gifted mind blessed by a tireless hand could bear the responsibility of writing Discworld, and Terry Pratchett was one of the few men ever to live who had both. She was right to shy away from a burden that would have crushed her. She would have only tainted the magic of her father's work, not because she's an untalented writer, but because he was a legend in the field, while she is but a mere professional.

In short, get fucked and neck yourself. Every good thing has an end, and Discworld ended while it was still fucking good.
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Snuff, Raising Steam, and arguably parts of Unseen Academicals.
 
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Red Sun said:
He offered her the right, and she respectfully declined. It was nothing more benevolent than humility, nor anything more malevolent than fear of pressure. Only a gifted mind blessed by a tireless hand could bear the responsibility of writing Discworld, and Terry Pratchett was one of the few men ever to live who had both. She was right to shy away from a burden that would have crushed her. She would have only tainted the magic of her father's work, not because she's an untalented writer, but because he was a legend in the field, while she is but a mere professional.

In short, get fucked and neck yourself. Every good thing has an end, and Discworld ended while it was still fucking good.
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>Not knowing those books being inferior was because of her influence and/or ghost wrote them
Neck yourself twice
 
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>Not knowing those books being inferior was because of her influence and/or ghost wrote them
Neck yourself twice
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If you're talking to me- the social-justicey parts of those books aren't the bad parts. Pratchett was pretty fucking left-wing, to the point where if he were still alive and in full form his social media presence would provoke seething from A&N. There was just a very confused structure to the stories and overall a lowering of quality- one that doesn't make a lot of sense if you assume his daughter was ghostwriting through him (the elements still very much had Pterry's fingerprints on them, as opposed to the sudden "foreign hand" of, say, very late-era "Doyle" Sherlock) but does make sense if Pterry was struggling with the mental effects of dementia.
 
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Senior Lexmechanic said:
If you're talking to me- the social-justicey parts of those books aren't the bad parts. Pratchett was pretty fucking left-wing, to the point where if he were still alive and in full form his social media presence would provoke seething from A&N. There was just a very confused structure to the stories and overall a lowering of quality- one that doesn't make a lot of sense if you assume his daughter was ghostwriting through him (the elements still very much had Pterry's fingerprints on them, as opposed to the sudden "foreign hand" of, say, very late-era "Doyle" Sherlock) but does make sense if Pterry was struggling with the mental effects of dementia.
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No it was directed at Red Sun, also Terry Pratchett was left-wing but he wasn't insanely so . I still think his daughter had influence on him toward the end of his life
 
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