Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

Mike S. Miller for example is partnering with The Shadiversity, a Youtuber with 1 mil subs who specializes in critiquing medieval weapons/combat depiction in media. As long as the comic creator delivers the goods and isn't cancelled by the e-celeb who provides the marketing and promotion doesn't cancel them, it's a good arrangement.

Some more info about this pair up from Shad's video about it, it only just now popped up in my feed...

I doubt any screaming will affect it. However a Canadian crew is making a short movie of it so any hissy fits probably would come from there but they seem to get on well with Shad.


TL:DW;
  • Shad loves Mike's work on the game of thrones books and squees over the art.
  • Shadow of the Conqueror will be split into 4 books.
  • Only 8 pages left to be completed.
  • Launches Nov est shipping June 2021.
  • Mike has been livestreaming some of the creation of the book. First one in May.
  • New side story content.
  • Limited # of metal cover.
  • Shad's next book will not be Shadow of the Conqueror pt2 but a re-write of one of his earlier stories. coming out approx next year.

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Also I think I just realised why I don't like Mike's art, it's just too clean.
 
Trump Flavored Anime Tiddies (The Sequel) has almost 500 more backers with 13 hours to go, but is well behind ($20K-ish) YBZ in what I consider the most important metric, money raised. Anyone care to take a stab at the more backers/less money dichotomy we're seeing in this particular horse race? Any significance for the future?


I wonder how much that bitch who stole $10 grand from him has to do with this?

More backers, less money = cheap PDF digital copies sold.
 
Vox Day, along with Owen Benjamin, raped Patreon in court. You've managed to...what, exactly?

Not have to sue IndieGoGo or Patreon or Vox Day in court, and instead make $3 million on CyberFrog comics while promoting other independent comic book campaigns towards success.

More money doesn't mean more profit. You can sell a pdf for $10 and a hard copy for $25, but after printing and shipping supplies and postage, you're sitting at the same profit in your pocket, and with less work.

Shipping costs are tacked on to the $25, so that isn't an issue. Printing costs shouldn't be $15 either, so aside from the effort of having to mail out comics to fans, you aren't correct about "same profit".

As a fellow publisher, I'll ask you:

1. Are you worried about piracy?
2. Do you feel like physical comics promote the desire to collect in your customers?
3. Physical books have resale value, usually. Why should PDFs be more expensive than a high priced Marvel Comic when you can't even resell it?
 
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More backers, less money = cheap PDF digital copies sold.

Perhaps, but as @Smug Freiza pointed out, the trend is very much the friend where Kamen America is concerned, even if it is pretty unlikely a third book (assuming there is one) would grow as much as book 2 did from book 1.

And that also circles back to the bugbear of #Comicsgate or, hell, any crowd funded comic as a good value for the money proposition. Must admit I was certainly wrong about the number of people willing to spend shekels to stick it to the Ess Jay Dubyas to enjoy Kwality Kantent, but I do think $30 or $50 or whatever for a funny book is a self-limiting market at the end of the day, without much in the way of future growth. Meaning a new creator coming to the table is only gonna grow at the expense of those already there. Which I think is kind of what we're seeing, absent the projects with a celebrity tie-in.

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More money doesn't mean more profit. You can sell a pdf for $10 and a hard copy for $25, but after printing and shipping supplies and postage, you're sitting at the same profit in your pocket, and with less work.

Agree. And disagree. Don't forget that once a PDF (or EPUB or MOBI) is out on the Interwebz somewhere it is pretty much guaranteed to be out on the Interwebz EVERYWHERE. DRM be damned. I guess if you're Zen with not selling much after the initial release of the crowdfund it can work, but if you want storefront sales you either need boy scouts for customers, ignorant boomers who can't find their way to ZLibrary or whatever, or just resign yourself to the fact that you got what you got when you released it and the little bit you get after that is a small bonus.
 
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Perhaps, but as @Smug Freiza pointed out, the trend is very much the friend where Kamen America is concerned, even if it is pretty unlikely a third book (assuming there is one) would grow as much as book 2 did from book 1.

And that also circles back to the bugbear of #Comicsgate or, hell, any crowd funded comic as a good value for the money proposition. Must admit I was certainly wrong about the number of people willing to spend shekels to stick it to the Ess Jay Dubyas to enjoy Kwality Kantent, but I do think $30 or $50 or whatever for a funny book is a self-limiting market at the end of the day, without much in the way of future growth. Meaning a new creator coming to the table is only gonna grow at the expense of those already there. Which I think is kind of what we're seeing, absent the projects with a celebrity tie-in.
KAMEN AMERICA is extremely appealing. That book is going to continue to grow, especially if the third campaign offers the first two books. $125K.

I haven't seen us hit the ceiling yet. Most campaigns who are doing the right thing (marketing every day, fulfilling a decent book on time) are growing at a steady pace. Those who aren't, the reasons are pretty obvious.

Prices aren't out of line when you consider that most of us are just producing annuals. Spending $25 to get this year's GRAVEYARD SHIFT is reasonable. It's what it costs to go to the movies. Buying every new CyberFrog book this year will cost you $50. With the reprint material, $120.

These aren't monthly comics prices. But they are pretty close to what comic book fans spend at the LCS every month.

I'm interested in the "celebrity tie in" gimmick. Mike Miller tried it with Dean Cain, and it flopped pretty hard. But Dean Cain is no Keanu Reeves. BRZRKR was an amazing presentation, with Keanu seemingly fully involved.

Richard Meyer got Stallone, and it did okay. Not stellar, but pretty good.

We'll see how the new Miller project does, and also Caanan and Antonio's work with that food critic YouTuber.

I'll take guesses now.

Antonio and Caanan will get $60K.

Mike will hit $200K.
 
Also I think I just realised why I don't like Mike's art, it's just too clean.
I'd describe Mike's style as heavy realism with excellent draftsmanship, synthesized with DC Comics' house-style pop art of shadowless, idealized form. It's something that works very well for Superman comics and the like but struggles to translate over things like, say gritty crimefighters or anything moody or expressive. The whole "Bless This Mess" debacle proves Smiller can draw in different styles, it's just that he chooses not to.

Anyhoo,


Our own @TheCosmicWarrior, Jon Del Arroz took to Youtube the other day to announce that, much to his lament, he's been cancelled by indie artist Michael Doorman for announcing his support for Based Kanye 2020. Evidently the artist in question looked at Jon's facebook page and, upon seeing based pro-Jesus, pro-Ye content, notified the Man of the Rice that, quote ""my apologies, but I don't think I'm a good fit. Best of Luck". Jon, naturally, says that this artist blacklisted him, publishes the DM and goes on to call him a triggered little bitch. This baizuo simply can't handle that a hispanic has his own thoughts outside of Whitey's approval.

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pictured of the hamster-resembling cracker Michael Doorman, courtesy of JDA

Jon goes on to point out that it was people like these, both in racial and in ideological terms that were instrumental in making Nazism a reality and that it was the duty of all freedom-loving Americans of color and creed to resist. Riceman just wants to make good comics and vote for Kanye West and nobody is going to stop him from doing either of those things. He's not going to allow Whitey to turn him into an "intellectual slave", and that's final.





Frog has made an exception for his "already fulfilled campaign requirement" rule for Charlie's London and her crowdfund of the same name, and looking at the panel it's not hard to figure out his reasoning why. Fun, feminine and with an unwavering determination to inject upbeat and positive energy into CG in the face of unending simps, trolls and getting colossally assblasted at Mecha McCheese to the point of superchatting other hosts about how mad she is, Charlie/Ayesha is the sort of friendly, appealing face of CG that Frog feels is ideal to charm boomer professionals like Billy Tucci, Graham Nolan and Pete Simeti into a questionable sense of security about Comicsgate. Her IGG campaign's already surpassed the previous Chaplin-based comic and, thanks to popularity with both CG platformers and audience, is having a great deal of relative success with a first-time, extremely niche art-house comic.



Almost simultaneously as this happened, Liam introduced a new co-creator/disciple into the world of Conquest Comics, "Mangaka-Chan", an art college student who loves Samurai Jack and wants to break into creating comics as a profession while studying the craft at day, gaining invaluable first-hand experience with the mentoring of Liam. Needing an ambassador to the wonderful world of Comicsgate in the same vein that Frog would supply Charlie's London, Liam opts for Ryzie Lee to serve this pivotal role.

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Going in with his avatar of his head shopped in with his waifu Stormfront, Ryzie delivers at second one of his entry into the stream and does not let up. Things kick off as Ryzie and Liam begin a catharsis of venting at their various Comicsgate enemies, starting with Rob Arnold of the Replicators who blocked Liam during the height of the Liamstream and Ryzie's beef with Zombienomicon, who called him a "disgrace to Australia" among many other things before digressing towards a shared antipathy towards the hated one Sketch Therapy. Vinnie Tartamelli, feeling the mood, dons a Billy Butcher avatar and joins in to explain what a feckless cowardly, art stealing piece of shit cunt Joe Quesada is. Based.

Closing his show with some footage of a hirsute ginger transsexual not unlike Michael Doorman named Coppercab, Liam provides symmetry to this post detailing the various ways people find their way into this thing we all knows as Comicsgate.

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Evidently the artist in question looked at Jon's facebook page and, upon seeing based pro-Jesus, pro-Ye content, notified the Man of the Rice that, quote ""my apologies, but I don't think I'm a good fit. Best of Luck".
What's wrong with that? Seems like a professional way to handle it. Should the guy be forced to work with/for someone he doesn't want to after learning more about him?


Please pass the eye bleach.
That can't be real.
 
I'm interested in the "celebrity tie in" gimmick. Mike Miller tried it with Dean Cain, and it flopped pretty hard. But Dean Cain is no Keanu Reeves. BRZRKR was an amazing presentation, with Keanu seemingly fully involved.

Richard Meyer got Stallone, and it did okay. Not stellar, but pretty good.

We'll see how the new Miller project does, and also Caanan and Antonio's work with that food critic YouTuber.

I'll take guesses now.

Antonio and Caanan will get $60K.

Mike will hit $200K.
I'm not willing to even guess. From what Mike said, Shadiversity sold 30K copies of his novel through his 'celebrity tie in gimmick' of being a YouTuber and a creator.
Wait... being a youtuber and a creator... that's you too, isn't it Fatboy? That's Zack. That's... well hell... that's pretty much all of Comicsgate at this point isn't it?

So explain how it's a 'gimmick' for Shadiversity and Mike to do the same thing, but with his MILLION subscribers?


I fully expect you to try and cancel this project. ("Let's see [Shadiversity] thinks when he finds out what Mike thinks of Mormons, amiright?") You cannot abide Mike being successful without you. You need him to fail for some twisted reason. Looks like he found a much bigger, much NICER friend in Shadiversity to help him achieve his success.
 
I'm not willing to even guess. From what Mike said, Shadiversity sold 30K copies of his novel through his 'celebrity tie in gimmick' of being a YouTuber and a creator.
Wait... being a youtuber and a creator... that's you too, isn't it Fatboy? That's Zack. That's... well hell... that's pretty much all of Comicsgate at this point isn't it?

So explain how it's a 'gimmick' for Shadiversity and Mike to do the same thing, but with his MILLION subscribers?


I fully expect you to try and cancel this project. ("Let's see [Shadiversity] thinks when he finds out what Mike thinks of Mormons, amiright?") You cannot abide Mike being successful without you. You need him to fail for some twisted reason. Looks like he found a much bigger, much NICER friend in Shadiversity to help him achieve his success.

I'll do my very best to ruin this for Smiller. But no promises.
 
It appears Liam Gray of Conquest Comics, writer for Xenotype, has sent an e-mail to Preston Poulter demanding that he remove the tags from his review of Xenotype: Pursuit as well as all the personal information of the Roiloup brothers (SWC/Shitty Web Comics) or he will "add Preston" to his lawsuit that is 100% happening and the Crown is 100% paying for his lawsuit. He also says he will pay for proof that Doug Tennapel of Earthworm Jim and Bigfoot Bill fame has been trying to ruin his career.

Last month, Liam Gray of Conquest Comics, writer for Xenotype filed false bullying claims against DA Talks' Twitter, having it removed. After filing SIX false DMCA claims against the Roiloup brothers for their reviews of his comics that were all counternotified by an agent of theirs (so Liam didn't get their information so he could release it and dox them for daring to criticize his fat ginger ass) he instead filed bullying complaints against their YouTube channel, which had it taken down.

Liam Gray of Conquest Comics, writer for Xenotype is a thin-skinned bitch, a liar looking for attention because his daddy gave him too much at night when he was younger, and is no different than the SJWs he claims to be against in the comics book industry. He would fit right in with them.

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It appears Liam Gray of Conquest Comics, writer for Xenotype, has sent an e-mail to Preston Poulter demanding that he remove the tags from his review of Xenotype: Pursuit as well as all the personal information of the Roiloup brothers (SWC/Shitty Web Comics) or he will "add Preston" to his lawsuit that is 100% happening and the Crown is 100% paying for his lawsuit. He also says he will pay for proof that Doug Tennapel of Earthworm Jim and Bigfoot Bill fame has been trying to ruin his career.

Last month, Liam Gray of Conquest Comics, writer for Xenotype filed false bullying claims against DA Talks' Twitter, having it removed. After filing SIX false DMCA claims against the Roiloup brothers for their reviews of his comics that were all counternotified by an agent of theirs (so Liam didn't get their information so he could release it and dox them for daring to criticize his fat ginger ass) he instead filed bullying complaints against their YouTube channel, which had it taken down.

Liam Gray of Conquest Comics, writer for Xenotype is a thin-skinned bitch, a liar looking for attention because his daddy gave him too much at night when he was younger, and is no different than the SJWs he claims to be against in the comics book industry. He would fit right in with them.

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Liam is a delusional sociopath. He was largely ignored by CG for years, and could only garner what little attention he got through paying for superchats. His channel blew up when he foolishly thought he could 'moderate' disparate voices in the CG wars, and it turned into Jerry Springer, at which point he ran away crying about China blowing up his routers.

He's been accused of killing puppies, beating up old women, and stalking underage girls. None of which has any actual proof, but all of which are given credibility by his own manic and insane behaviors.


So... This does not surprise me. lol
 
In other CG news that I couldn't fit into my original post

Liam has "extended an olive branch" to Preston Poulter, in which he dictates conditions of peace to the Pegged One.
In return for removing the tags for Poulter's unflattering review of Xenotype: Pursuit and providing him with the Roiloup brothers' real names and addresses, Liam will consider paying Preston for any DMs or private information that incriminates Doug TenNapel in actively engaging in conspiracy against Liam Gray. Preston appears to have discretely shared the screencap of this with Thomas Roiloup who, less discretely, posted it on twitter immediately.


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Doug TenNapel's reaction could best be described as "dismay".





Under cover of darkness last night on Testefy's stream, "Etsy Boy" and famed new guy Wiggle Wiggle undertook the forbidden blacke act of applying the mayonnaise sacrament in front of a stained, rusty toilet, ritualistically desecrating his Golden RibbitCoin, thus completing his final descent. However, something was going wrong as the Holy Seal of Trikk Rhan would not separate from the gold. As if summoned by an unseen force, Dark Priestess VikkiVerse arrived in the chat and scolded Wiggle for using the false spread of Miracle Whip instead of True Mayonnaise, as the Hidden Tractures of Roiloup dictate. Only when the instructions are followed to the letter will the ritual be complete and the sepulchural voice of Zombienomicon will enter Wiggle's DMs/soul.




Finally, in things actually related to comics, Esoteric Comicsgate practitioner Big Daddy breaks down how to create a comic book script using one of his own creations, "Bad Master", the story about a man who abducts a woman, and once absconded to a shack not unlike Big Daddy's shack in real life, engages in BDSM-themed torture in order to make her his sex slave. While I'll continue to support his content no matter what, I am going to say that there's probably more evidence that Big Daddy is a serial killer then isn't and that @NasserRabadi13 could learn a lot about writing horror from this man.
 
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It appears Liam Gray of Conquest Comics, writer for Xenotype, has sent an e-mail to Preston Poulter demanding that he remove the tags from his review of Xenotype: Pursuit as well as all the personal information of the Roiloup brothers (SWC/Shitty Web Comics) or he will "add Preston" to his lawsuit that is 100% happening and the Crown is 100% paying for his lawsuit. He also says he will pay for proof that Doug Tennapel of Earthworm Jim and Bigfoot Bill fame has been trying to ruin his career.

Last month, Liam Gray of Conquest Comics, writer for Xenotype filed false bullying claims against DA Talks' Twitter, having it removed. After filing SIX false DMCA claims against the Roiloup brothers for their reviews of his comics that were all counternotified by an agent of theirs (so Liam didn't get their information so he could release it and dox them for daring to criticize his fat ginger ass) he instead filed bullying complaints against their YouTube channel, which had it taken down.

Liam Gray of Conquest Comics, writer for Xenotype is a thin-skinned bitch, a liar looking for attention because his daddy gave him too much at night when he was younger, and is no different than the SJWs he claims to be against in the comics book industry. He would fit right in with them.

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Liam is a delusional sociopath. He was largely ignored by CG for years, and could only garner what little attention he got through paying for superchats. His channel blew up when he foolishly thought he could 'moderate' disparate voices in the CG wars, and it turned into Jerry Springer, at which point he ran away crying about China blowing up his routers.

He's been accused of killing puppies, beating up old women, and stalking underage girls. None of which has any actual proof, but all of which are given credibility by his own manic and insane behaviors.


So... This does not surprise me. lol

@Tyne I thought you would have learned after the first SIX times that your attempts were futile, but I guess insanity is the result of having chaffed butt-cheeks.
 
HAIL WAR CAMPAIGN!

Are they still canceled by nu-comicsgate?

@FROG, if I 'join' your channel and like WC, am I welcomed?

And yes, I already know my sense of humor is horrible

*EDIT* I already know I'm Internet autistic / gay :gunt::suffering:

*EDIT* Thanks for the response FROG, all I needed to know, get my frog book done before Christmas please, thanks for your time! 🐸🐸🐸🐸

*EDIT* I'm happy with the Internet and KiWi Farms, Love you DONGS! 🌈
 
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It appears Liam Gray of Conquest Comics, writer for Xenotype, has sent an e-mail to Preston Poulter demanding that he remove the tags from his review of Xenotype: Pursuit as well as all the personal information of the Roiloup brothers (SWC/Shitty Web Comics) or he will "add Preston" to his lawsuit that is 100% happening and the Crown is 100% paying for his lawsuit. He also says he will pay for proof that Doug Tennapel of Earthworm Jim and Bigfoot Bill fame has been trying to ruin his career.

Last month, Liam Gray of Conquest Comics, writer for Xenotype filed false bullying claims against DA Talks' Twitter, having it removed. After filing SIX false DMCA claims against the Roiloup brothers for their reviews of his comics that were all counternotified by an agent of theirs (so Liam didn't get their information so he could release it and dox them for daring to criticize his fat ginger ass) he instead filed bullying complaints against their YouTube channel, which had it taken down.

Liam Gray of Conquest Comics, writer for Xenotype is a thin-skinned bitch, a liar looking for attention because his daddy gave him too much at night when he was younger, and is no different than the SJWs he claims to be against in the comics book industry. He would fit right in with them.

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This should seriously be the end of Liam's "career" in the comics world.
 
Today is Saturday, the final day of the week that Donal said he'd pay Nasser.

It's important to point out that Nasser has not yet been paid, despite Donal claiming to have finalized the books six days ago.

Nasser has been evicted from his apartment. His life has been turned upside down over this.

Donal was last seen in the passenger seat of a vehicle, headed at high speeds towards Tennessee, where he says he'll be for at least ten days.

I will keep you updated.
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