Twitter blocks post from White House science adviser Scott Atlas

Twitter blocks post from White House science adviser Scott Atlas

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2020/OCT/19 - Mark Moore (NY Post)

Twitter blocked a post from top White House coronavirus adviser Scott Atlas on Sunday that questioned the use of masks as a means of curbing the spread of the illness. Atlas, who joined the White House in August, wrote, “Masks work? NO,” while adding that the widespread use of face coverings is not supported by evidence.


“Masks work? NO: LA, Miami, Hawaii, Alabama, France, Phlippines, UK, Spain, Israel. WHO: widesprd use not supported’ + many harms; Heneghan/Oxf CEBM: ‘despite decades, considerble uncertainty re value’; CDC rvw May:’no sig red’n in inflnz transm’n’; learn why,” the top doctor wrote. A spokesperson for the social media company told the Associated Press that the tweet violated its policy of sharing false or misleading information about the coronavirus that could lead to harm. Atlas, the former chief of neuroradiology at Stanford University Medical Center, said Twitter’s action amounted to censorship.

“I don’t understand why the tweets were deleted,” Atlas said in an email to the wire service. He said his post meant to show that “general population masks and mask mandates do not work” and pointed out that they should be used when people cannot socially distance. Despite mask mandates, coronavirus cases exploded in Los Angeles County, Miami-Dade County, Hawaii, Alabama, the Philippines and Japan. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommend people wear masks in public settings like grocery stores, pharmacies, where social distancing is difficult because infected people who do not show symptoms of the disease can still be contagious.

 

[muh_moobs]

I'm sure you're going to get brain damage from lack of oxygen wearing the mask.

Recycling the CO2 from your exhaled breath trapped inside the max lowers your blood-oxygen content, which reduces your body's immuno-response system.

Keeping people indoors and isolated also lowers your immune system.

Two things society should be trying to do the exact opposite of to keep people healthy during a pandemic. It's almost like they want people to get sick . . .

 

[Consenticles]

As far as masks go, I think if you're in a home/business and the owners of the property request you wear a mask, then you should do so. Not because you are giving into rampant fear mongering. Not because you know they do not work. Not because you want to own the libs.

But because it's not cool to be a dick, and granny only knows what she saw on CNN. So when an old lady is fed doomer headlines all day and she is doing all she can to prevent herself from catching the coof, but has no choice but to run to Walmart for a restock on food, it really shouldn't be that big of a deal to apply common courtesy the the situation.

People who are at a high risk need to get groceries, go to the hospital, and vote just like you and me. Sometimes they don't have the family or resources to have their groceries delivered. Or the know how to conduct a zoom meeting in order to refill their prescriptions.

If you wouldn't go into a nursing home without a mask, knowing you are sick, then why would you go maskless somewhere else? somewhere that the most susceptible have no choice but to go in order to get the most basic of essentials. One should do onto others as they would wish be done unto themselves.

We are adults and we need to act like it. We need to act like we maintain responsibility, that we have the wherewithal to identify the situations where masks may be a good idea. To use common sense and common courtesy - so that the useful idiots in our society do not believe we are so childish and incapable that we need the government to intervene in every other aspect of our lives. I don't want to give them that ammunition.

It isn't about expressing your freedom to not wear a mask - you can do this in so many places where you aren't around high risk individuals. If you choose to deliberately do it in these places then you're just a fucking dick.

Do masks help?

The matter of the masks helping or not is very subjective at this point. There are far too many variables in each of these populations to get a solid feel for their effectiveness. Some cities have protests. Some cities have a higher homeless population. Some places have people living on top of each other and recirculating all that air.

To even accurately measure the effectiveness of implementing masks on an enormous scale like we have, you need everyone to go all in. Otherwise data becomes skewed. So if you fucking hate wearing a mask and firmly believe they do more harm than good, then you should wear your mask for the time being, if not only to prove to the live studies being done that they are ineffective. If you believe they are effective at stopping the transmission of the virus, then you should wear yours too. If you are indifferent, at the very least you should be respectful within public places in which your presence overlaps with those who gobble up all the doomer crumbs CNN spoonfeeds them.

Be the responsible adult you want to be treated as.

All this being said, when you knowingly participate in an event in a public place, with an enormous crowd, in a way, you have made a choice to take the risk to roll the dice on catching the coof.

Common sense would say that it is not smart for an 85 year old with chronic lung and heart issues to stand in a crowd of 100 people at a protest or rally. You can't control what people do outside, nor should the government at any level. Putting yourself at risk of exposure is not the fault of those around you who have measured this risk and applied it to themselves. Public gatherings aren't mandatory for your survival (unlike groceries and medicine). A high risk individual has the choice to skip the event if they want to, but at the end of the day it is purely their choice, and if they catch the coof there is no room for blame to place on those around them.

The issue we are faced with today is not the mandating of masks, or their effectiveness. I would argue it is a much different issue in which this entire conversation stems from: should people be treated like adults and allowed to make their own assessments based on their own risks? Or should the government do this for them with blanket mandates?

The relinquishing of responsibility is first and foremost the underlying problem I have with the mask mandate. Since when did it become the responsibility of our government to personally assess our risks? To prevent something that has yet to happenstance? At what point did we deem them a better judge than ourselves?

Sadly it is the generation of millennials and zoomers (of which I am a part of) that seems to only want to relinquish these decisions to their governing bodies. In lacking responsibility and ownership of other aspects of our lives (believing their debts should be paid off, that UBI should be instituted, that more regulation should be mandated) , we seem to have forgotten how to think for ourselves. Now we simply parrot what our most favored media source tells us without applying a speck of critical thinking toward it.

That being said, if you are walking in your neighborhood minding your own business, no one in their right mind should get pissed at you for not wearing a mask. And while you are walking, if you see a truly exceptional individual driving their car or biking while wearing a mask, I would be disappointed if you didn't feel the need to laugh at the stupidity.

 

[Uncle Gubsy]

This mask/no mask thing being divided by political lines is fucked. Masks actually help and to have this thing being some way to own the libs, as well as bait twitter into suspending/banning political figures to drum-up support to ruin the internet by repealing section 230 is pretty bad, to be honest.

This entire communist cough being politicised has muddied the waters with disinformation and is going to bite everyone in the arse.

This whole line about the virus being 'politicized' makes no sense to me, it was politicized from day one. Politics deals with policy, I don't see how a pandemic would be anything other than political.

 

[Hecate]

I don't know what all of you guys are yelling about, science was debunked last week

 

[melty]

Sadly it is the generation of millennials and zoomers (of which I am a part of) that seems to only want to relinquish these decisions to their governing bodies. In lacking responsibility and ownership of other aspects of our lives (believing their debts should be paid off, that UBI should be instituted, that more regulation should be mandated) , we seem to have forgotten how to think for ourselves. Now we simply parrot what our most favored media source tells us without applying a speck of critical thinking toward it.

I really don't understand people who on one hand call Trump a facist, and on the other hand are upset that he did not order everyone to stay inside and tell them what to wear everyday. How can they reconcile that?

I'm firmly of the belief that in an alternate universe, Trump promoted wearing masks and leftists and the media are talking constantly about how masks don't work, and that telling people to wear them is facism and just like Jews and Nazis. It doesn't have anything to do with science, it's just a reaction to whatever Trump does.

 

[Neil]

Trumpers gotta say masks don't work because Dear Leader says they don't, despite medical science saying otherwise. See how mad they are in this thread (i.e. @Fanatical Pragmatist is) even when I provide evidence they do.

Just let them have their circlejerk, A&N's too far removed from reason. Remember, the jannies have had to restart this shit subreddit 3 times.

-Stay in your pods and consume
-Report your neighbors for being outside
-You can't go to church or have a funeral service any longer
-Demand that people wear masks even though there is medical evidence that masks are hazardous to your health
-Demand that people with airway/breathing conditions wear masks regardless of the harm that will be imposed on them
-No mask, no commerce.
-Push to shut down education institutions
-Restrictions on civil rights.

No, it's not just masks. It that the governments of the world have asked that people sacrifice their rights to freedom of mobility, religion, and association, followed by their roll-out of the new "mark of the beast" dictating who can and cannot conduct commerce. No longer can you even chose how you dress when stepping out of your own home.

And last time I checked, the US is not the Islamic Republic of Iran.

And nothing you try to offer up justifies any of the actions of government. Influenza kills off the sick and the old and can have permanent consequences for the otherwise healthy. The common cold kills of the sick and the old and can have permanent consequences for the otherwise healthy. But we all just go on with life as normal.

As we did during any of a dozen other global pandemics.

Literally every other country in the world was able to wear masks and not go to the barber shop/bar/movie theaters just fucking fine, but only self-centered amerifags throw literal shitfits, draft america-centric conspiracy theories, make plots to kidnap governors, and storm city halls armed to the teeth over this shit. Social etiquette is tyranny to Americans. Going to the casino is a God-given civil right!

Right wingers were the ones stuffing their basements with canned beans and ammo and buying every N95-mask, toilet paper pack, and bottle of hand sanitizer they could find because they thought Covid was going to be the end times, and it would trigger a nuclear war with china or some shit. Now because orange emperor says "masks bad, covid no real", suddenly it was all a left wing conspiracy SPECIFICALLY meant to hurt right wingers and put people into subjugation and shove everyone into FEMA death squad gas chamber pods, all starting by wearing cloth masks while close quarters with people.

Apparently the Japanese have been under the oppression of masks for decades, they wear them all the time. I don't know how they survive under such horrible conditions!

This whole line about the virus being 'politicized' makes no sense to me, it was politicized from day one. Politics deals with policy, I don't see how a pandemic would be anything other than political.

By politicized, people mean that it shouldn't have become bipartisan, a pro-Trump vs Anti-Trump (this isn't even left or right, it's centered on orange man's cult blindly following him over science) shitflinging contest where a worldwide virus is made into a debacle of grown adults not taking a simple precaution and going to extremes against it.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Recycling the CO2 from your exhaled breath trapped inside the max lowers your blood-oxygen content, which reduces your body's immuno-response system.

Keeping people indoors and isolated also lowers your immune system.

Two things society should be trying to do the exact opposite of to keep people healthy during a pandemic. It's almost like they want people to get sick . . .

Yeah, we all know science isn't your strong suit, but it doesn't work like that man. The thirty minutes you'd be wearing the mask isn't going to make a difference. If your claim was correct, surgeons that wear masks for 12+ hour shifts would be dropping like flies, except they aren't. Not to mention that CO2 is a lot smaller than the coronavirus. Since you claim the masks don't stop the coronavirus from escaping, how is it going to keep in CO2 particles? CO2 is a hell of a lot smaller than coronavirus. Or are masks some sort of magic thing that can stop the smaller CO2 particles from escaping, but not the coronavirus?

People are still allowed to go outside. Going to Walmart isn't going to help your immune system. Vitamin D helps, but you get that from the sun and not the lights at Walmart. Sorry that you can't be asked to do something simple to help protect others without throwing a temper tantrum.

 

[Underestimated Nutria]

So which is it, do they work or don't they work? Sounds like he's trying to appease Dear Leader by saying masks don't work, but trying to cover his ass by saying they do work.

I bet you would have no problem saying abstinence education "doesn't work".

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

I bet you would have no problem saying abstinence education "doesn't work".

It works, but not nearly as well as teaching safe sex techniques. Horny teenagers are gonna fuck whether you tell them to or not.

 

[Underestimated Nutria]

It works, but not nearly as well as teaching safe sex techniques. Horny teenagers are gonna fuck whether you tell them to or not.

Well I hope you can see the analogy.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Well I hope you can see the analogy.

Not really. The doc was claiming both things

 

[MembersSchoolPizza]

Literally every other country in the world was able to wear masks and not go to the barber shop/bar/movie theaters just fucking fine, but only self-centered amerifags throw literal shitfits, draft america-centric conspiracy theories, make plots to kidnap governors, and storm city halls armed to the teeth over this shit. Social etiquette is tyranny to Americans. Going to the casino is a God-given civil right!

I guess all the problems in those countries that you hear about if you pay attention are just hoaxes. Like people being arrested in Australia for protesting the mask laws, for example.

Right wingers were the ones stuffing their basements with canned beans and ammo and buying every N95-mask, toilet paper pack, and bottle of hand sanitizer they could find because they thought Covid was going to be the end times, and it would trigger a nuclear war with china or some shit. Now because orange emperor says "masks bad, covid no real", suddenly it was all a left wing conspiracy SPECIFICALLY meant to hurt right wingers and put people into subjugation and shove everyone into FEMA death squad gas chamber pods, all starting by wearing cloth masks while close quarters with people.

You're confusing preppers with right-wingers. Some preppers are. Some are not. And most right-wingers are not preppers.

Apparently the Japanese have been under the oppression of masks for decades, they wear them all the time. I don't know how they survive under such horrible conditions!

You don't know what you're talking about. Some Japanese (and Chinese, and Korean, and...) people wear masks with some frequency, but it has not been a law there or anything even approaching universal there until the Plague Times.

Nobody has been saying people are not free to wear masks if they choose. I promise you.

By politicized, people mean that it shouldn't have become bipartisan, a pro-Trump vs Anti-Trump (this isn't even left or right, it's centered on orange man's cult blindly following him over science) shitflinging contest where a worldwide virus is made into a debacle of grown adults not taking a simple precaution and going to extremes against it.

Apparently Trump has more ardent supporters in non-American countries than one would think.

 

[Caesare]

Maybe someone who has politicised his followers into not wearing masks actually is bad.

All of his followers do wear masks though. A handful of numbskulls choose not to wear them while also making a big issue about their decision but the fags in the media like to talk about them like they're some giant movement while ignoring the obvious group that chooses in large numbers to go maskless. The only people I see in large numbers without masks are blacks, mostly young ones, and I seriously doubt most of them are big fans of the President. Seriously everyone else wears masks in public besides them.

 

[Pope Negro Joe the XIIIth]

>A thread about Covid
>Hollywood Hulk Hogan is there within 6 posts
>Look at another thread about Covid
>HHH is on first page again

 

[TV's Adam West]

“no sig red’n in inflnz transm’n’“

Fucker’s having a stroke.

This is just a Government plot to summon the great old ones.

 

[ChikN10der]

Maybe someone who has politicised his followers into not wearing masks actually is bad. Not to mention leading along the whole Q-anon cult and instead of speaking clearly, tailoring messages to play both sides while maintaining playable deniability.

Along with the politicisation of the wu-flu, we have people who will never accept that maybe the actions of trump are actually bad.

America is tearing itself apart and all people have to say is "based and redpilled 4d chess lol"

Imagine being bamboozled so hard you scream at people to stop wearing masks for a month straight then overnight switch to screaming at people to wear those same masks.
Imagine demanding everyone wear useless masks to make you feel less scared of the flu.

Imagine these gutless flip floppers running the country. Vote republican or that's our future.

 

[Exigent Circumcisions]

We all fucking love science until a scientist says what we don't like.

 

[Penis Drager]

>A thread about Covid
>Hollywood Hulk Hogan is there within 6 posts
>Look at another thread about Covid
>HHH is on first page again

I'll be fair to the faggot. He's just autistically fixated on the subject and on a crusade against the non believers.
If GMO'S were at all a contentious issue here you'd bet your ass I'd be behaving basically the same way.

 

[Blake Chortles]

Not to pl too much. But for the love of christ stop wearing the cloth masks. They are so fucking bad for you rebreathing all that shit all day. Lung Infections are skyrocketing. Tell all your older relatives to change them often or stop altogether.

if you have to do masks, use those surgical ones and change it every day. A box of 50 is like twentyish bucks now.


Also hhh no one actually knows if they work or not. Its a mixed bag. Scoped out studies of large populations TEND to show it doesnt help or inconclusive. But in lab conditions they Have shown it can may slow it, but they never establish an infective dose.

So basically “the science” is on the fence about covid shit. But they are really fucking bad to wear all the time. They arent meant for that. The surgical ones are meant to be temporary barriers for bacteria, not a solution to protect people from virusesz

 

[AnnLurker]

Your dead doesn't remove my freedoms. And as we are seeing more and more with the courts, it's obvious they think so too.