Twitter blocks post from White House science adviser Scott Atlas

2020/OCT/19 - Mark Moore (NY Post)

Twitter blocked a post from top White House coronavirus adviser Scott Atlas on Sunday that questioned the use of masks as a means of curbing the spread of the illness. Atlas, who joined the White House in August, wrote, “Masks work? NO,” while adding that the widespread use of face coverings is not supported by evidence.


“Masks work? NO: LA, Miami, Hawaii, Alabama, France, Phlippines, UK, Spain, Israel. WHO: widesprd use not supported’ + many harms; Heneghan/Oxf CEBM: ‘despite decades, considerble uncertainty re value’; CDC rvw May:’no sig red’n in inflnz transm’n’; learn why,” the top doctor wrote. A spokesperson for the social media company told the Associated Press that the tweet violated its policy of sharing false or misleading information about the coronavirus that could lead to harm. Atlas, the former chief of neuroradiology at Stanford University Medical Center, said Twitter’s action amounted to censorship.

“I don’t understand why the tweets were deleted,” Atlas said in an email to the wire service. He said his post meant to show that “general population masks and mask mandates do not work” and pointed out that they should be used when people cannot socially distance. Despite mask mandates, coronavirus cases exploded in Los Angeles County, Miami-Dade County, Hawaii, Alabama, the Philippines and Japan. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommend people wear masks in public settings like grocery stores, pharmacies, where social distancing is difficult because infected people who do not show symptoms of the disease can still be contagious.
 
God I love this post. Reminds me of the Lacedonians (Spartans) and their short, concise drop-mic answers for every situation. Sometimes saying less ends up saying more.
I really think this is where the issue stems from in many of the circles on the right. Admittedly I do not have as good of a grip on the leftist perspective as I would like. Most of what I assume I take from the fleeting period of my youth in which I too became enthralled with the mystique of Obama. But most of those I know who are actually willing to discuss politics and have their ideological views challenged are on the right. And one of my sole sources of for perspective of the left comes from my mother, of whom would likely never get involved with these discussions, were I not formerly their little bundle of joy.

Nonetheless, what is touted in America, is the rigid ferocity in which the tenets and founding articles are so passionately defended. The whole "I care not for what you say, but I will die fighting for your right to say it" is a hill that our parents' and grandparents' generations would defend without question. Or at least, that is how I perceived things before 2015 or so, until a small group of influential boomers somehow swayed half the population that assuming pride in such basic principles is something to be ashamed of.

For several centuries the defining difference between our culture and the many others which may share our language, system of government, and even values, has been America's founding charter. Other countries look at us and wonder why we hold a piece of paper so dear. They perhaps understand the importance of the words on the document, but fail to see that in comparison to European countries, this nation is in it infancy.

If you think critically about the circumstances in which these longstanding kingdoms have built themselves to be, they are not at all like they started. They have switched from autocratic monarchies to parliament monarchies, to following our example of a republic. And think of that for a moment! It took a thousand years for some of these countries to eek out a pittance of a system resembling what the Romans once had. Yet the US does it, and suddenly Republics in such a form are all the rage, converting these ancient nations purely by example (in most cases). I realize the US isn't the first state which used Roman examples of governance to base their own leadership upon, but the US is called the "great experiment" for a reason!

These countries went through transformations over their long standing histories- many of which could only be achieved through bloodshed -ratifying, amending, and changing every hundred years or so. The nobility would want more power, the people would want more, and the king would make it so, to appease and prevent the dissolution of their grand empires.

What I am getting at is this: they have gone through change. Their history is full of change. They live to expect such change. But in the US, we have only amended our founding charters, never overhauling the system as it is. This is why even those of us who are first generation immigrants hold these articles in the highest regard.

And no matter your opinion of the United States, one must admit any founding document that has lasted as long as ours, with such little change, with its populace still agreeable to the vast majority of its basic principles 250 years later, was at its inception, an extraordinary work.

The basic rights that are beholden to our nation's government by these simply pieces of parchment, are unquestionable. For many of the teens who have hitched themselves to the "burn it all down, start again" wagon, were they to rewrite the founding charter, they would still include most of our amendments..... Obviously with exceptions like 2a.

These rights are seen universally ad non negotiable, basic principles in which so many other countries have gladly borrowed from when drafting their own charters.

But the real thing that keeps the US citizen beholden to its past is that second amendment I just mentioned. We haven't changed that aspect much since inception when it comes to the basic structure and body of our government. Yes, pre civil war there certainly was a much greater emphasis on states rights overriding that of the federal government. And certainly technology has changed and our politicians never failing in finding new ways in which to be corrupt. Yes, gun laws would be considered unconstitutional no doubt be considered unconstitutional under 1776 rules. But the 2a gives us the illusion of power and freedom, even as it is slowly being eroded from us.

It is the safety net - not in the sense that the founding fathers intended. Not in the manner it would prevent tyranny from thriving. Rather, it has had the opposite effect as weapon technology has improved. The liberal talking point of "your guns won't stop a tank" is woefully true.

The average citizen is confined to limited arms access if they are mentally sound and devoid of criminal history. The way I see it, when you are ruling the country with the highest military budget and the strongest army, you can afford to let the people have guns created in the earlier half of the 20th century, because you have way better shit hiding behind the curtain which can make the guns obsolete in any real sort of uprising.

Which gets me back to my point in my first post. The anger is directed at Trump right now because it's an easy out, and it distracts from the real issue at hand: they are telling, not asking. And we have just noticed the rug slipping out from beneath us, and it's already too late to stop it.

But when we are too busy directing half our energy at being angry over a Trump tweet, with the other half too busy sucking his dick, we tend to miss the rug moving in its entirety until it is suddenly gone. People arguing the efficiency of mask wearing have valid concerns, and that is a point I would love more info on. But if we want to get some actual statistics to prove it one way or another, we need to fucking do our part so that they are accurate.
 
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Not to pl too much. But for the love of christ stop wearing the cloth masks. They are so fucking bad for you rebreathing all that shit all day. Lung Infections are skyrocketing. Tell all your older relatives to change them often or stop altogether.
Gonna need a citation on this one because I work in a hospital and this is definitely not the case. Don't believe those posts from your boomer relatives on FB because that definitely isn't happening.

And the rest of your post, you are wrong. Studies have shown it does work in larger populations. Hence why other countries, where people do wear masks, have shown a drastic reduction in cases. However, in America we have right-wing manbabies who throw temper tantrums when asked to do something as easy as wearing a mask, so we can't have nice things here

Im a microbiologist for a large hospital.
Sure ya are. Amazing how all of these infections are not mentioned in any newscast or literature that I have seen. Infections may be going up, but it is becoming that time of year.

Also, you claim that masks don't keep the virus in, yet somehow it's keeping in CO2 and bacteria. Yeah, viruses are smaller than bacteria (but larger than CO2), but seems like it's amazing that somehow viruses are getting out but CO2 and bacteria are not, no?

EDIT: Citation: https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/ar...-wear#3.-Masks-may-increase-risk-of-infection

Yeah, if you wear the same cloth mask for a long period of time over and over without washing, you may get infections because the fabric will grow bacteria, but that's the user being a retard and not an issue with masks. If you're really a microbiologist for a hospital, you should know this.
 
Gonna need a citation on this one because I work in a hospital and this is definitely not the case. Don't believe those posts from your boomer relatives on FB because that definitely isn't happening.

And the rest of your post, you are wrong. Studies have shown it does work in larger populations. Hence why other countries, where people do wear masks, have shown a drastic reduction in cases. However, in America we have right-wing manbabies who throw temper tantrums when asked to do something as easy as wearing a mask, so we can't have nice things here

Stop using the word "ask".
 
Also, you claim that masks don't keep the virus in, yet somehow it's keeping in CO2..
Just a minor quibble, since you keep bringing this up; a gas can still fill a reservoir before leaking through a permeable barrier. Balloons slowly deflate because the air trapped inside eventually leaks through the latex. Car tires slowly flatten for the same reason. The idea that all cO2 is immediately purged on each breath is a bit foolish; when I breath out with my mask on, it bellows out because of the pressure of the gases being exhaled. If it wasn't retaining the gases at all, it wouldn't do that.

This isn't an argument about whether rebreathing the trapped cO2 is bad for you, just wanted to point out that on this point you're a bit confused.
 
"Do masks work? Admit it! Say the words!"
Burkas work too, women get sexually harassed and assaulted less when they hide their skin. Should we socially pressure them into covering up? It benefits all of society, not just the women we're forcing this on. الله اعلم
 
Do you mean to say that science is a process of discovery and not a series of dicta handed down from on high? Well, I never!
Do you also mean a social media site isn't a process of disovery and shouldn't be an arbitrator in said capacity to gather information? Say it isn't so!

Also Masks work, but you know what else works better? Not breathing.
22% vs 100% folks, you heard it here first, the science doesn't lie.
 
-Stay in your pods and consume
-Report your neighbors for being outside
-You can't go to church or have a funeral service any longer
-Demand that people wear masks even though there is medical evidence that masks are hazardous to your health
-Demand that people with airway/breathing conditions wear masks regardless of the harm that will be imposed on them
-No mask, no commerce.
-Push to shut down education institutions
-Restrictions on civil rights.

No, it's not just masks. It that the governments of the world have asked that people sacrifice their rights to freedom of mobility, religion, and association, followed by their roll-out of the new "mark of the beast" dictating who can and cannot conduct commerce. No longer can you even chose how you dress when stepping out of your own home.

And last time I checked, the US is not the Islamic Republic of Iran.

And nothing you try to offer up justifies any of the actions of government. Influenza kills off the sick and the old and can have permanent consequences for the otherwise healthy. The common cold kills of the sick and the old and can have permanent consequences for the otherwise healthy. But we all just go on with life as normal.

As we did during any of a dozen other global pandemics.

Dude we aren't even allowed to dance at weddings in Australia. Its Footloose but with the coof. Try and justify it all you like but this shit is turning into some serious authoritarian power tripping.
 
Gonna need a citation on this one because I work in a hospital and this is definitely not the case. Don't believe those posts from your boomer relatives on FB because that definitely isn't happening.

And the rest of your post, you are wrong. Studies have shown it does work in larger populations. Hence why other countries, where people do wear masks, have shown a drastic reduction in cases. However, in America we have right-wing manbabies who throw temper tantrums when asked to do something as easy as wearing a mask, so we can't have nice things here
You are just making shit up, none of this is true.
No study has shown a dramatic, or even slight reduction in infections due to masks.

You're literally going off shit you read on fb and twitter while accusing others of it.
 
You are just making shit up, none of this is true.
No study has shown a dramatic, or even slight reduction in infections due to masks.

You're literally going off shit you read on fb and twitter while accusing others of it.
Lol wrong. I literally gave a link in this thread. Just because you throw a temper tantrum when told to wear a mask doesn't mean they don't work
 
Lol wrong. I literally gave a link in this thread. Just because you throw a temper tantrum when told to wear a mask doesn't mean they don't work
Just because you throw a temper tantrum when confronted with the facts doesn't change them.

Masks are not a new invention, neither are viruses. Studies on widespread mask use all conclude it's next to worthless, or possibly even harmful.
 
Just because you throw a temper tantrum when confronted with the facts doesn't change them.

Masks are not a new invention, neither are viruses. Studies on widespread mask use all conclude it's next to worthless, or possibly even harmful.
Sorry that you can't handle wearing a mask without throwing a temper tantrum like a two year old. Gonna need a citation on your claim. I already provided mine

Who to trust, scientists at the CDC and WHO, or some science-illiterate guy on Kiwi Farms who throws a hissyfit when asked to wear a mask to help others? That's a tough one
 
Sorry that you can't handle wearing a mask without throwing a temper tantrum like a two year old. Gonna need a citation on your claim. I already provided mine

Who to trust, scientists at the CDC and WHO, or some science-illiterate guy on Kiwi Farms who throws a hissyfit when asked to wear a mask to help others? That's a tough one
Psst

The scientists at the WHO say there's no evidence masks reduce infection rates.
It's on their website.

Also, look up the term "appeal to authority" and read about why it's considered a logical fallacy, you might learn something sweetie pie.
 
Psst

The scientists at the WHO say there's no evidence masks reduce infection rates.
It's on their website.

Also, look up the term "appeal to authority" and read about why it's considered a logical fallacy, you might learn something sweetie pie.
WHO maybe did at one point, but they revised their stance months ago. Science and recommendations change as new data comes in. I know it's hard for you to grasp, but that's how science works. https://www.who.int/emergencies/dis...wers-hub/q-a-detail/q-a-on-covid-19-and-masks

"Appeal to authority" is only a logical fallacy to retards like you who think you know more than experts in their field. It works when it's something they're specialized in. Do you also tell the pilot to let you fly the plane because he's an authority? Do you also tell the surgeon to let you operate on grandma because he's a surgeon and thus an authority on it? I doubt you do, and it's the same idea here.
 
WHO maybe did at one point, but they revised their stance months ago. Science and recommendations change as new data comes in. I know it's hard for you to grasp, but that's how science works. https://www.who.int/emergencies/dis...wers-hub/q-a-detail/q-a-on-covid-19-and-masks

"Appeal to authority" is only a logical fallacy to retards like you who think you know more than experts in their field. It works when it's something they're specialized in. Do you also tell the pilot to let you fly the plane because he's an authority? Do you also tell the surgeon to let you operate on grandma because he's a surgeon and thus an authority on it? I doubt you do, and it's the same idea here.
Ah, so as the mask science became politicized it became more reliable?

Appeal to authority is always a fallacy. You can use an authority's arguments that make then an authority in the first place though.

So, present the authority's logic, as you understand it. Here's my logic: up until 2020 every medical opinion on cloth masks for reducing spread of viruses was the same. It simply doesn't work.

All those decades of real science looking at pandemic spread said "masks don't help".
Then, after the liberal world decides masks and lockdowns are great, suddenly those decades of science change, without any new logical explanation.

Doesn't remotely pass the smell test.
 
Mask don't work as much as we wish they did.
They did a study on some random mask in my country and 100% of tissue maks and 30% of chirurgical mask were not working correctly.
The thing is scientist and politician lied to us saying mask don't work and now they want to make believe the contrary either way it's fucked up
WHO maybe did at one point, but they revised their stance months ago. Science and recommendations change as new data comes in. I know it's hard for you to grasp, but that's how science works. https://www.who.int/emergencies/dis...wers-hub/q-a-detail/q-a-on-covid-19-and-masks

Just as financial and politcal interest do. At first they said the mask didn't work not because of the data but because they didn't want to increase panic/didn't have enought mask/wanted to hoard masks for medical workers.

The who can't be trusted
 
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Ah, so as the mask science became politicized it became more reliable?

Appeal to authority is always a fallacy. You can use an authority's arguments that make then an authority in the first place though.

So, present the authority's logic, as you understand it. Here's my logic: up until 2020 every medical opinion on cloth masks for reducing spread of viruses was the same. It simply doesn't work.

All those decades of real science looking at pandemic spread said "masks don't help".
Then, after the liberal world decides masks and lockdowns are great, suddenly those decades of science change, without any new logical explanation.

Doesn't remotely pass the smell test.
Appeal to authority is only a fallacy if you're a total retard like you are. You don't listen to experts? Do you never go to the doctor? Do you never go on an airplane? If you ever do that, you are trusting an expert. Or, better yet, explain to me how it's a fallacy.

I already showed you links stating how they work. They worked before 2020, too, it's just that normally they weren't really necessary because there wasn't a virus going around like there is now. They have been worn in Asia for many years now to help slow spreads of flus and things like that. You're just a whiny bitch who throws temper tantrums when told to put a mask on because you're a selfish prick. Is it really that hard to wear a mask to help protect others?
 
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