Marvel Cinematic Universe

[Allanon]

Honestly, the best route to take is one that will never happen as long as the wokesters at Disney are in charge is to kill the MCU outright and let capeshit die at least for a few years while audiences detox and move onto the next fad.

Then around 2030 or so, you'll see a lot of people get nostalgic for the very late 2000's and early 2010's, the time of 2008-2014 or so before the SJW culture wars kicked off. That's when you spring a revival of Marvel that does away with all the woke stuff and anything from the old MCU.

Focus on the core A-List superheroes like X-Men, Avengers, Fantastic Four, and Spider-Man if they can get a new deal with Sony. Maybe expand it into The Punisher, Daredevil, and Blade/Tomb of Dracula as well if it gets really successful.

The idea of a "cinematic universe" is a good concept but the problem is that a lot of people just tried to ape the MCU to varying degrees and failed. The DCU had this weird issue where they tried to combine the snark and irony of the MCU with the Linkin Park-tier edge of Zack Snyder and it all kind of fell apart with Justice League and Birds of Prey being the nadir of it all.

The Dark Universe would've been interesting to see since Universal Monsters and Hammer Horror were among the earliest attempts at a cinematic universe but that crashed and burned with only two movies to its name.

The coronavirus hiatus could help them reboot and take the chance to retool, as they were already planning to have the next phase be a useless 'cool down' phase to buffer the audience between the epic climax of the Infinity War arc and the start of whatever's next (secret war, maybe?) they just need to not give in to Feige's insane decision that because they always succeed when they make movies based on the comic arcs people all love they'll succeed when they make movies based on the arcs people universally hate.

I actually felt DCU did well with Shazam and Aquaman, like they finally started to grasp how to do super hero movies without tripping all over themselves trying to be hyper edgy grim or awkwardly shove in poor attempts at 'humor' between their endless edginess. I guess Birds of Prey shows that they still haven't really gotten the hang of it after all.

Most of the problem with cinematic universes is that they try to rush to their 'Avengers moment' for the payoff, but don't seem to grasp that it'll never work without the proper build up first. They want the success and the billions of dollars of having their crew of characters team up, but do not want to put in the effort, and more importantly the time, required to get people to care that they're teaming up. Despite Endgame being the most ridiculous cape-nerd comic book movie possibly ever, that all but demanded you to be extremely familiar with the entire comic book movie universe, normies somehow flocked to Endgame in bigger numbers than Titanic, and almost more than Avatar. You don't get those numbers by opening with Endgame, but so many copycat cinematic universes really do not seem to get that.

 

[Foolish Samurai Warrior]

MCU Stans are raging that the friends of Chris Pratt are defending him. It's amazing!

 

[Hooligan Handgun]

MCU Stans are raging that the friends of Chris Pratt are defending him. It's amazing!

Can confirm.

 

[Lensherr]

I guess I'm a massive fag for liking movies and wanting more good ones to be made in a category called "Multimedia". In all seriousness, I'm not talking about capeshit, but rather what the next big thing will be since I can't find the answer because all the creative minds working today are unoriginal hacks.

Tbh, there's plenty of good movies coming out these days. It's just mostly lower and mid-budget stuff like The Lighthouse and Parasite to name a couple from last year. Hell, the vast majority of movies that have come out any given year since cinema was a thing have sucked, but it's only the good ones that we remember generally.

 

[Syaoran Li]

Tbh, there's plenty of good movies coming out these days. It's just mostly lower and mid-budget stuff like The Lighthouse and Parasite to name a couple from last year. Hell, the vast majority of movies that have come out any given year since cinema was a thing have sucked, but it's only the good ones that we remember generally.

Parasite sucked.

Give me angry internet stickers if you want because I'm gonna be blunt here. I honestly think that Parasite was pretentious pseudointellectual arthouse garbage that did not deserve Best Picture when you had 1917, The Irishman, Once Upon A Time In Hollywood, and even Joker in the running that year.

Parasite is for the 2010's what Shakespeare In Love was for the 1990's and Crash was for the 2000's.

The Irishman or 1917 should've got Best Picture. Not Parasite.

As for good movies of the 2010's that aren't capeshit, woke reboots, or boring pretentious arthouse shit, the pickings are slim unless you're willing to delve deep into foreign films and the B-Movie/Direct-To-Video market.

If I were to come up with a list of my favorite movies of the 2010's, it'd probably look like this...

The Wolf of Wall Street
Lincoln
The Irishman
Dunkirk
1917
Joker
Inception
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Train to Busan
What We Do In The Shadows

Seriously, the 2010's was a time where movies were mostly either capeshit and woke reboots OR they were boring pretentious arthouse indie shit. If you wanted genre pictures that were actually enjoyable or more of the mid-budget titles that weren't arthouse hipster garbage, your pickings were slim.

Joker was based on DC Comics but it's pretty much a capeshit movie in name only and Todd Phillips even said that he had to tie it into Batman so Warner would give him the funds to make his mid-budget homage to Scorsese.

 

[Lensherr]

Parasite sucked.

Give me angry internet stickers if you want because I'm gonna be blunt here. I honestly think that Parasite was pretentious pseudointellectual arthouse garbage that did not deserve Best Picture when you had 1917, The Irishman, Once Upon A Time In Hollywood, and even Joker in the running that year.

Parasite is for the 2010's what Shakespeare In Love was for the 1990's and Crash was for the 2000's.

The Irishman or 1917 should've got Best Picture. Not Parasite.

As for good movies of the 2010's that aren't capeshit, woke reboots, or boring pretentious arthouse shit, the pickings are slim unless you're willing to delve deep into foreign films and the B-Movie/Direct-To-Video market.

If I were to come up with a list of my favorite movies of the 2010's, it'd probably look like this...

The Wolf of Wall Street
Lincoln
The Irishman
Dunkirk
1917
Joker
Inception
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Train to Busan
What We Do In The Shadows

Seriously, the 2010's was a time where movies were mostly either capeshit and woke reboots OR they were boring pretentious arthouse indie shit. If you wanted genre pictures that were actually enjoyable or more of the mid-budget titles that weren't arthouse hipster garbage, your pickings were slim.

Joker was based on DC Comics but it's pretty much a capeshit movie in name only and Todd Phillips even said that he had to tie it into Batman so Warner would give him the funds to make his mid-budget homage to Scorsese.

Well I definitely hold Parasite in higher regard than you, so we'll have to agree to disagree. I also wouldn't go as far as to call it the least deserving Best Picture nominee of the 2010s when The King's Speech, Moonlight, and Green Book all also won Best Picture that decade as well. If it were up to me though, I definitely would have given the Best Picture Award to The Irishman as well, so we can at least both agree on that (I possibly might have given it to Joker well for maximum saltage and as a giant middle finger to the people who tried to torpedo it). And Martin Scorsese was absolutely right about Marvel films and he has nothing to apologize for over his statements.

I also agree that the films that you listed as your favorites are all excellent, and some of them are on my list of favorite movies of the 2010s as well.

As far as the overall quality of the films that were released that decade, I don't hold it in any particular high regard, but I also don't think it was unprecedentedly bad. Sure, there was a glut of bad films that followed the trends that you mentioned, but you could say that about any decade: there are always going to be annoying trends in entertainment that hacks try to chase in order to make a quick buck, and there were also plenty of films that I enjoyed.

 

[SmugAutist]

Tbh, there's plenty of good movies coming out these days. It's just mostly lower and mid-budget stuff like The Lighthouse and Parasite to name a couple from last year. Hell, the vast majority of movies that have come out any given year since cinema was a thing have sucked, but it's only the good ones that we remember generally.

Don't get me wrong, I very much agree that good movies are coming out. I didn't see the Lighthouse but I did see Parasite and it was an extremely well-crafted movie (that absolutely deserved the Best Picture win). The point is that those movies are so low budget that studios don't really care all that much to interfere in them since a lot of times they're counting on them underperforming for tax write-offs (that or the usual Oscar bait) What I'm talking about is the next path for the big blockbusters.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

Oscars barely recognize talent. For example, Game Night deserved Oscars. It was genuinely one of the funniest films I've ever seen.

The idea of RDJ getting an Oscar for endgame is laughable at best especially since it does not hold up well at all compared to IW. Hell, even Scarlett outacted him in one of her best performances to date, despite the bullshit fridging.

It does seem interesting to note that none of the MCU family didn't defend Brie. Yet when Flop Gunn and Crisp Rat get shit on suddenly they light the bat signal and rush on to the defensive.

 

[UnKillFill]

Why would anybody care what Robert Down Syndrome thinks about anything? He was a dumbass drunk and he had no career left until they cast him as Marvel's resident dumbass drunk. Iron man was a third string Marvel Character at best before 2008, and he's a third string character again now that the cape shit films won't be pushing him anymore.

 

[Quantum Diabetes]

I hope that asteroid that's hitting the Earth on November 2nd hits Mark Ruffalo right in the taint.

 

[Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed]

So this idea popped up online some time ago. Thoughts on John David Washington replacing Chadwick Boseman as T'Challa?

I say this for a few reasons:

• Marvel may not be able to give extension time to rewrite the story (since Coogler's been writing it for virtually two years now). I don't know if the pandemic changes all that.
• Both John David Washington and Chadwick Boseman are disciples of Denzel Washington. Chadwick even said at one point that, without Denzel, there was no Black Panther.
• This type of thing has been done before (with Brandon Routh playing the Christopher Reeve Superman in Superman Returns, and Albus Dumbledore after the first two Harry Potter films).
• JDW is a young and rising star, particularly because of BlacKkKlansman and Tenet. I don't know of any other rising black actors at this point of his stature.

Edi Gathegi might be an option too as opposed to JDW.

I initially was skeptical of something like this happening because of the potential public outcry it might cause, but it might actually be another valid option if they end up not making Shuri the lead in the sequel.

 

[Gar For Archer]

So this idea popped up online some time ago. Thoughts on John David Washington replacing Chadwick Boseman as T'Challa?

I say this for a few reasons:

• Marvel may not be able to give extension time to rewrite the story (since Coogler's been writing it for virtually two years now). I don't know if the pandemic changes all that.
• Both John David Washington and Chadwick Boseman are disciples of Denzel Washington. Chadwick even said at one point that, without Denzel, there was no Black Panther.
• This type of thing has been done before (with Brandon Routh playing the Christopher Reeve Superman in Superman Returns, and Albus Dumbledore after the first two Harry Potter films).
• JDW is a young and rising star, particularly because of BlacKkKlansman and Tenet. I don't know of any other rising black actors at this point of his stature.

Edi Gathegi might be an option too as opposed to JDW.

I initially was skeptical of something like this happening because of the potential public outcry it might cause, but it might actually be another valid option if they end up not making Shuri the lead in the sequel.

The dude who played the MC in Tenet? Cuz not gonna lie, when I watched the movie the whole time I was second guessing myself on whether or not it WAS Chadwick Boseman. Memes about all black people looking alike aside, they really DO look a lot alike. I mean hell it would be a way more convincing swap-out than Rhodey or Banner.

If they're intent on recasting BP instead of writing him out, that wouldn't be a half-bad choice.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

It does seem interesting to note that none of the MCU family didn't defend Brie. Yet when Flop Gunn and Crisp Rat get shit on suddenly they light the bat signal and rush on to the defensive.

I've seen this a lot, but Pratt's really getting hammered. Larson, Zendaya, and whoever the fuck they were complaining didn't get white knighted really didn't get a lot of flak outside of YouTube spergs. Actual mainstream news sites were making a point to report on Pratt's wrongthink.

 

[janedoe]

pratt's PR team is probably forcing him to denounce his religion and endorse biden as we speak.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

Based and Mutantpilled

https://thedirect.com/article/mcu-scarlet-witch-quicksilver-mutant-xmen-marvel

As reported by ScreenRant, an excerpt from The Wakanda Files hints that Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver have a potential mutant connection.

The book notes that HYDRA chose Sokovia specifically as many of its citizens possessed "genetic anomalies," making Sokovians the perfect candidates to be tested on with Loki's scepter and the Mind Stone. The reference to "genetic anomalies" potentially hints that Wanda and Pietro Maximoff are mutants.

An extract from the book describes the effect that the Mind Stone had on Wanda's body, which seems to suggest that exposure to Loki's scepter awakened her mutant abilities:

"The Stone similarly transformed her nervous system, but it has ionized and charged it in ways that have given her an extraordinary ability. Neural-electric interfacing allows her to create bursts of extreme energy using only her mind and the tips of her fingers. The manipulation of this energy permits her short bursts of levitation, in addition to a staggering weapon that only requires her bare hands."

Another part of the book describes the sheer power that Wanda was given, possibly hinting at how her powers will develop in upcoming appearances:

"What is beguiling is how Wanda's nervous system has also unlocked potential for telekinesis. These are not parlor tricks; she is not just bending spoons. She can manipulate minds and plant suggestive thoughts, even enhance preexisting paranoias. She can see into the mind of a human, find out what they fear and what will motivate them."

 

[starborn427614]

Based and Mutantpilled

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https://thedirect.com/article/mcu-scarlet-witch-quicksilver-mutant-xmen-marvel

Calling it now: She's going to reverse House of M it and bring mutants into existence.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

Calling it now: She's going to reverse House of M it and bring mutants into existence.

As long as it wasn't "There was a parallel universe where the mutants always existed and the X-Men were already their 'Avengers' and Doctor Strange knocks them into this universe and they're already the X-Men" like people kept assuming would happen I'll be fine.

 

[Syaoran Li]

Calling it now: She's going to reverse House of M it and bring mutants into existence.

Why should anyone care? The MCU sucks and it's played out and any newer movies is just The Rat not knowing when to quit while it's ahead.

Honestly, I think it was never good to begin with.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

So I had an interesting thought. How would The Dark Knight be if it was done as a modern MCU film? And besides the obvious answers of shitty humour, references and diversity.
I can think of three immediate changes:

1. The entire plot of capturing a Chinese business man to be investigated at the USA would be entirely removed. And if anything, the chinese would be shown as good people who are either flawless or spare no time dealing with corruption within.
2. The plot about a boat full of prisoners who need to choose whether to sink their own ship or a ship full of innocents would be replaced with a huge fight where the remote passes between the two sides, only for the hero to swoop in and make the choice for the peasants.
3. The gadget that uses the ability to track every person in Gotham would be shown as a really cool thing rather than a red line Batman crosses.

 

[-4ZURE-]

So I had an interesting thought. How would The Dark Knight be if it was done as a modern MCU film? And besides the obvious answers of shitty humour, references and diversity.
I can think of three immediate changes:

1. The entire plot of capturing a Chinese business man to be investigated at the USA would be entirely removed. And if anything, the chinese would be shown as good people who are either flawless or spare no time dealing with corruption within.
2. The plot about a boat full of prisoners who need to choose whether to sink their own ship or a ship full of innocents would be replaced with a huge fight where the remote passes between the two sides, only for the hero to swoop in and make the choice for the peasants.
3. The gadget that uses the ability to track every person in Gotham would be shown as a really cool thing rather than a red line Batman crosses.

You forgot the part where the Joker has no lines as he is just a generic brute for Batman to kick in the face of. Honestly, any moral complexity would be gone as the MCU cannot write a compelling villain. The closest they got was Thanos and maybe Kill Monger, but they still follow the 5 year old mentality and are not deep at all. Kill Monger is just, much racism, and Thanos‘ ideology is so dumb that of course people debate it as brilliant and engaging.