Celebrity Roderick Leverne Cox / Laverne Cox

[Ivan Komarov]

Mine was good! His Wikipedia revisions--even his handle--remind me of Moleman9000.

WHAT PART OF I AM A WOMAN DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND? YOU CANNOT MOCK ME WHEN WHAT I YOU ARE SAYING IS COMPLETELY TRIGGERING!

 

[JEWS]

WHAT PART OF I AM A WOMAN DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND? YOU CANNOT MOCK ME WHEN WHAT I YOU ARE SAYING IS COMPLETELY TRIGGERING!

DEADNAMERS DESERVE THE DEATH PENALTY.

 

[AnOminous]

Mine was good! His Wikipedia revisions--even his handle--remind me of Moleman9000.

Favoring their self-designation doesn't necessarily entail omission of their previous identity, though, so yours seems like a loose interpretation of that policy. I can think of three notable transwomen who have their former names in their articles, and given that Chelsea Manning's birthname survived the edit wars that followed her coming out, Laverne Cox's case seems pretty unique.

If there's a general rule that I can discern there, it's that if someone was of encyclopedic notability as defined by Wikipedia before their name change, it goes in. For instance, Wendy/Walter Carlos. Note there is also a redirect.

There are also a lot of overlapping policies, some of which I and others have cited, but I can't take Wikipedia "rules" seriously because they don't. They're not really rules when in actuality the Arbcom and whoever else does whatever the fuck they feel like and calls it "rules lawyering" when you expect their rules actually to be, you know, rules., meaning things that are followed.

Personally, I think birth name is just an objective and entirely neutral fact that should be in there in most cases.

 

[JEWS]

If there's a general rule that I can discern there, it's that if someone was of encyclopedic notability as defined by Wikipedia before their name change, it goes in. For instance, Wendy/Walter Carlos. Note there is also a redirect.

Good point. Before the purge, someone mentioned that Brianna Wu's article doesn't have his previous name in it. My previous impression was that Cox's and Wu's names were omitted because they consider "deadnames" to be "dox."

 

[ScarletJusticeWitch]

You act as if saying things such as "When a trans woman gets called a man, that is an act of violence." is ridiculous, but... There seems to be an active effort from any anti-SJW sorts to destroy anyone and everyone trans women have to look up to. You actually do want a world where even more transgender women are brutalised and raped, and I'm not exaggerating - what do you think will happen in a world where trans women have even less role models than they currently do? Without any sort of rallying point, communities tend to fall apart. I remember that it was like being trans in the 00s and it wasn't pretty. Whatever other flaws they might have, people like Laverne have done good work and at the very least deserve to have their identities respected.

To me going after Laverne proves you'll go after anyone just for being black, or trans. You're peddling backwards - you're looking for people that vulnerable people rally around and work to tear them down.

I honestly believe that threads like this only exist because certain people want to see all trans women "mandated out of existence", much like the radfem manifesto that lead to trans women losing state funded healthcare in the 80s, which no doubt led to the deaths of many women.

Yes.

Next you're gonna say Autism isn't funny.

We don't hate transexuals or transgendered, but we're not going to treat them differently with regard just because of it.

Yes you do. Claiming you don't doesn't change the fact that people are going out of their way to tear down trans individuals. In some cases this has lead to the suicide of vulnerable trans people online. You do regard them differently because of it, because if they weren't trans they wouldn't be targets like this. What you're saying is that you don't want to show any empathy for a group of people who have to deal with a lot of shit you'll never understand. Which is just immature posturing.

 

[Colress]

guys a lolcow is a lolcow. regardless of fame or gender identity.

 

[Sanic]

Wow this is getting retarded

 

[Ivan Komarov]

You act as if saying things such as "When a trans woman gets called a man, that is an act of violence." is ridiculous.

That's because it is.

Also, "trans woman"
lmao

 

[ScarletJusticeWitch]

Cox has been touring college campuses lately giving talks about being transgender, which is basically "look at me and my struggles. Praise me."

If she comes near your area and you go, you're in for a special treat. The amount of unpassable MtF people I saw in the audience was unfathomable.

She's reaching out to people who in many cases feel they have nowhere to turn to. Having role models is important.

if you want to remove that from trans women, you want to inflict misery on trans women. And given the fact that she's black and trans, you can bet she's had "struggles".

 

[ScarletJusticeWitch]

That's because it is.

Also, "trans woman"
lmao

From the perspective of a sheltered narcissist who thinks their abusive mindset should be babbied, sure.

 

[Ivan Komarov]

She's reaching out to people who in many cases feel they have nowhere to turn to. Having role models is important.

if you want to remove that from trans women, you want to inflict misery on trans women. And given the fact that she's black and trans, you can bet she's had "struggles".

"she"
lol

 

[ScarletJusticeWitch]

It must be nice being sheltered by similarly Edgy individuals so you never have to think critically about how shit everything you say is.

We sort of haven't had that luxury. Pampered child.

 

[Lefty's Revenge]

It must be nice being sheltered by similarly Edgy individuals so you never have to think critically about how shit everything you say is.

We sort of haven't had that luxury. Pampered child.

Stop it right there. This isn't going to end well.

 

[Ivan Komarov]

From the perspective of a sheltered narcissist who thinks their abusive mindset should be babbied, sure.

It must be nice being sheltered by similarly Edgy individuals so you never have to think critically about how shit everything you say is.

We sort of haven't had that luxury. Pampered child.

It's pretty neat, no lie.
You live in a society where you have the free time to play gender-roulette, and you're bitching about how we are pampered children.
Nice dude.

 

[Pickleman]

The entire concept of role models is fucking stupid, especially these plastic celebrity ones that support literal murderers to further their "role model" appearance. If you truly need someone on the TV pretending to be a better person than they actually are for your own personal inspiration, then good for you, you are just another retard. Role models are for children, not real people who are mature and expected to actually be self reliant.

 

[Enig]

I view the modern day clashing of the left pamperists and the right revertists as sort of like a pre-game to a repeat of the hellstorm that was the Weimar Republic, except this time in the modern day equivalent of the Roman Empire, which further worsens and complicates the ordeal (no, really, no one ever thinks of what happens to all those overseas army stations when the homeland rips itself apart, kind of like the abandonment of what is now England during the collapse of the western Romans).

That said, I do find it hilarious that the media is pushing for things like this now when the general reaction from everyday people is "why do they keep talking about these fucking nutjobs". How anyone finds it glamorous to abuse yourself with hormonal supplements, surgeries and a mindset befitting of the moral majority of the 80s is beyond me and anyone else in the working classes.
Wir wollen arbeit und brot.

 

[drtoboggan]

The entire concept of role models is fucking stupid, especially these plastic celebrity ones that support literal murderers to further their "role model" appearance. If you truly need someone on the TV pretending to be a better person than they actually are for your own personal inspiration, then good for you, you are just another exceptional individual. Role models are for children, not real people who are mature and expected to actually be self reliant.

I'm ok with adults having role models, provided they're decent and emulate them in a proactive way. That said, a time comes to just be a decent human being.

 

[ScarletJusticeWitch]

It's pretty neat, no lie.
You live in a society where you have the free time to play gender-roulette, and you're bitching about how we are pampered children.
Nice dude.

But you are. Being trans isn't easy, anywhere. It opens you up to abuse and rejection and violence and a lack of employment and all sorts of things.

You're much less likely to experience those things, and moreover, you have a podium from which to hurl abuse that people that do.

You're damn right you're pampered relative to the average trans woman. If we get a bit too loud and assertive, we get ED pages and an army of stalkers. Whereas you can be an abusive, transphobic edgelord without consequence.

Is it any coincidence that people like you are the first to make fun of the idea of privilege being a thing?

 

[Overchek]

But you are. Being trans isn't easy, anywhere. It opens you up to abuse and rejection and violence and a lack of employment and all sorts of things.

You're much less likely to experience those things, and moreover, you have a podium from which to hurl abuse that people that do.

You're damn right you're pampered relative to the average trans woman. If we get a bit too loud and assertive, we get ED pages and an army of stalkers. Whereas you can be an abusive, transphobic edgelord without consequence.

Is it any coincidence that people like you are the first to make fun of the idea of privilege being a thing?

Man, you're just poopin all over the dang place tonight.

 

[TheAmazingAxolotl]

But you are. Being trans isn't easy, anywhere. It opens you up to abuse and rejection and violence and a lack of employment and all sorts of things.

You're much less likely to experience those things, and moreover, you have a podium from which to hurl abuse that people that do.

You're damn right you're pampered relative to the average trans woman. If we get a bit too loud and assertive, we get ED pages and an army of stalkers. Whereas you can be an abusive, transphobic edgelord without consequence.

Is it any coincidence that people like you are the first to make fun of the idea of privilege being a thing?

Privilege isn't a thing. It's a concept made up by brats like you who don't understand that the only way to get ahead in life is to seize the day for themselves. Now pick a fucking thread and stay in it.