US Joe Biden News Megathread - The Other Biden Derangement Syndrome Thread (with a side order of Fauci Derangement Syndrome)

Let's pretend for one moment that he does die before the election, just for the funsies. What happens then? Will the nomination revert to option number 2, aka Bernie Sanders? Or will his running mate automatically replace him just the way Vice-President is supposted to step in after the Big Man in the White House chokes on a piece of matzo? Does he even have a running mate yet?

 

[ducktales4gameboy]

Trump Derangement Syndrome really. The problem talking to him is that I can't have any positive or defend Trump to any remote degree or he'd just lose his shit. I've talked with family members who have hated or disliked Trump before and I was able to defend him or talk about him or challenge their notions about him, because they were open to it. If someone is rabid, I can't position myself as even remotely aligned with Trump otherwise everything else will just be ignored.

I absolutely feel you on this. I've talked to my boomer mom about how fucked up this election is and it's depressed me more than anything in recent memory, I can't even laugh about dumb shit like Biden's George Bush gaffe because she takes it as a personal insult for some reason since it goes against the orange man bad narrative and any situation where she's groundlessly optimistic about something improving under Biden can instantly turn into a situation where she just seethes for hours by asking her why she believes what she's saying or pointing out a flaw in her reasoning, even if it's something as simple as the green new deal's absurd pricetag.

It's really depressing because she's basically turned into the platonic low-info voter and provides evidence that they're not just an exaggerated online boogeyman.

 

[ChikN10der]

I absolutely feel you on this. I've talked to my boomer mom about how fucked up this election is and it's depressed me more than anything in recent memory, I can't even laugh about dumb shit like Biden's George Bush gaffe because she takes it as a personal insult for some reason since it goes against the orange man bad narrative and any situation where she's groundlessly optimistic about something improving under Biden can instantly turn into a situation where she just seethes for hours by asking her why she believes what she's saying or pointing out a flaw in her reasoning, even if it's something as simple as the green new deals absurd pricetag.

It's really depressing because she's basically turned into the platonic low-info voter and provides evidence that they're not just an exaggerated online boogeyman,

A family member told me I was selfish for supporting Trump, because he's taking everyone's rights away and he's putin's friend and he's not really a billionaire and he grabbed em by the pussy...

It's not logical and can't be argued with. And it's infuriating when they smugly drop the idiotic talking points from cnn, like I haven't heard them 5000 times already...

 

[verissimus]

You know I was about to point out that the Left could just try to impeach and remove the Justices they don't want and then Joe Biden opened his pie-hole : https://www.foxnews.com/politics/joe-biden-move-justices-supreme-court

It's either this or they go full retard and pack the courts if they win.

 

[Marissa Moira]

Trump Derangement Syndrome really. The problem talking to him is that I can't have any positive or defend Trump to any remote degree or he'd just lose his shit. I've talked with family members who have hated or disliked Trump before and I was able to defend him or talk about him or challenge their notions about him, because they were open to it. If someone is rabid, I can't position myself as even remotely aligned with Trump otherwise everything else will just be ignored.

I mean, I tried warning him that you know, they could just buy other countries. Or that other countries would welcome them with open arms, but he didn't really care. I sort of gave up at that point, because nothing would convince him. Another family member who doesn't like Trump and is wavering for voting for Biden but is nowhere near this emotional about it actually listened in and said I thought I'd convince him. Which goes to show you how I didn't overwhelm him and tried very hard to be as emotionless and cool-headed as possible. Which he sort of interpreted as apathetic.

Nope. Older than that. I think the problem is his girlfriend is extremely progressive and has been influencing him. And I USED to be extremely progressive, so there may have been vestiges of that leftover. I think a major part of the problem is that he really didn't have a liberal arts education. As much as people shit on it, it does help you to think and rationalize and provides you with a lot of things to draw on. He went to a school mainly for tech, so he never got that. So he really doesn't know how terrible Direct Democracy systems are. Nobody uses Direct Democracy. Nobody. He just doesn't understand that most people don't really care enough about politics and don't really have the time to, you know, go into the forums to debate and hear issues.

Him shitting on the founders really pissed me off. But unlike him, I don't get emotional about these things and tried to keep it level. Him wanting to get rid of the Constitution is fucking mind boggling. The document itself has inspired governments around the world. I also informed him that the Common Law system that we use is way older than that, along with the adversarial system of Justice. To no avail, really. Kind of surprised me at just how much he'd absorbed these progtard talking points. Since I have empathy, when I debate, I try to get into the mind of the person I'm debating against. The problem is, everything he talked about was something that there was no political will in the DNC to do. So there was this huge cognitive dissonance bashing these ideas together and I just didn't know what he was thinking. I pretty much concluded he had a Frankenstein idea of politics cobbled together from shitty news outlets and his friends. Because he acknowledged that the DNC and the Democrats sucked, but he was voting for them anyway.

That's why I just basically gave up, because he wasn't being rational at all. It was all emotional. Which is why I figured out he interpreted my dispassionate, rational debate as apathetic. He acknowledged there was no political will for the Dems to do anything he wanted. That Biden wouldn't touch on any of it, nor would the DNC. But he's voting for them anyway. So what could I do? There really isn't a point in trying to talk to someone like that. Its all emotion. I mean, I can't convince someone who is relying on pure emotion to make their political decisions. Just to avoid politics at all costs. I might try to encourage him to vote Green Party, just for my sanity. Because that would at least make rational sense.

Part of the major problem with him is that he really didn't seem that interested in politics until Trump got elected. So he didn't really go through the changes that I went through. I've also been involved in politics, debate, religious thought and such since I was in High School and before that. He's also the type to never want to admit he's wrong. So he basically just keeps moving the goal posts when you hit him with something. He'll move them out into the ocean before he admits he's wrong. So like I said, I just gave up. And politics isn't worth destroying relationships over.

But I can tell you, from that conversation: the shy Trump voter is real. I've only revealed my intention to one family member who is also voting Trump. Its like we have our own little knitting circle. And honestly, this will be my first time EVER in my life voting straight Republican. Because I possess independent thought and I can, you know, look and rationalize and think for myself.

And that's all you need. How can Trump be retarded and a mastermind at once? How, in 2 years, did they find nothing about Russia and he's still a Russian pawn even though everyone hates him? I don't understand how you can't see these inherent contradictions yourself and look into things deeper.

Fucking normies taking jobs away from honest shitposters, How can one compete with such hot takes if theirs is on par with the surface of the fucking sun?

I tell you if Francis E. Dec was only born a decade or two later he would have retired rich and well off from his ramblings alone.

 

[WuTangClan2299]

You know I was about to point out that the Left could just try to impeach and remove the Justices they don't want and then Joe Biden opened his pie-hole : https://www.foxnews.com/politics/joe-biden-move-justices-supreme-court

It's either this or they go full retard and pack the courts if they win.

All I've seen on twitter is them crying to do both at the same time

 

[Clockwork_PurBle]

Fuck me, I will stick up for the Yankistanis on this one, as our greatest allies.

Everything you listed is likely not quite true, but lets assume it is. Know what the greatest of things any human can have?

Freedom.

Try using those rail lines if your social score is not high enough because you once said you thought genocide of muslims was a bad idea. Or you used your tapped phone to send a dirty joke to a friend and now you cannot continue in your education. The media can only say good things about the government, because their is a death camp for those who do not.

Imagine being told you can only have 1 child and then being encouraged to abandon or kill the child if female because of an actual patriarchal societal view.

 

[Shield Breaker]

House already won? Pelosi thinks so, and reaches for more

Speaker Nancy Pelosi once predicted she’d have the 2020 House Democratic majority secured by November — of 2019. With control of the House hardly contested, Pelosi is working to fortify Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden and win extra House seats in case Congress is called on to resolve...

ca.yahoo.com

Looks liked biden is getting desperate if pelosi is spouting nonsense like this. She practically flat out says 'we're trying to rig things in case theres a close enough match that we need to make sure we can screw trump over' which is getting dangerously close to trying to manipulate the outcome of the election in a questionable manner

...do they not understand how things work in the case of an electoral tie? Yes, the House chooses the President, but each state gets one vote.

 

[ChikN10der]

...do they not understand how things work in the case of an electoral tie? Yes, the House chooses the President, but each state gets one vote.

They don't know how anything works. Knowing how things work would interfere with the ability to change the narrative at will.

 

[Angry New Ager]

I absolutely feel you on this. I've talked to my boomer mom about how fucked up this election is and it's depressed me more than anything in recent memory, I can't even laugh about dumb shit like Biden's George Bush gaffe because she takes it as a personal insult for some reason since it goes against the orange man bad narrative and any situation where she's groundlessly optimistic about something improving under Biden can instantly turn into a situation where she just seethes for hours by asking her why she believes what she's saying or pointing out a flaw in her reasoning, even if it's something as simple as the green new deal's absurd pricetag.

It's really depressing because she's basically turned into the platonic low-info voter and provides evidence that they're not just an exaggerated online boogeyman.

The only way I've found to successfully talk about politics and change TDS sufferers' minds even a little bit is to approach it as a leftie who has concerns about a given issue, from a leftie perspective, with leftie goals, and always including appeals to the right kinds of emotion.

(Background: I was a lifelong Dem voter, was a TDS sufferer, but got red-pilled over the last couple of years. Currently, I'm politically homeless, but intend to vote for Trump. I've kept silent on it, however, so everybody in my ultra-progressive social and family circle still thinks I'm one of them, and I'm fine with that.)

The Green New Deal (or, as I think of it, the Green Leap Forward) is a typical example. I've made some significant inroads simply by having read it (when nobody I've met who supports it has), knowing what insane shit it proposes, and thus being able to inform other people of what it actually entails. And I frame it as, "This is a great idea, but x, y, and z, as they are written, really concern me, given what I know about actually doing x, y, and z. Enacting these measures in their current form would create tremendous hardships for some of our most vulnerable populations for [reasons]. So I think it still needs a lot of work before it becomes legislation."

Or, with the latest stimulus package, which Pelosi is willfully holding hostage: "Yeah, yeah, Orange Man Bad, but there's a bunch of stuff in that package that has absolutely nothing to do with Covid-19 relief, it doesn't belong in there, and Trump will never let it through. If Nancy really wants to get that stimulus package through so it can help people, she needs to take out anything irrelevant--like x. Oh, and y, which, I mean really, makes no sense, and what does it have to do with helping people right now?And z, which may be a good idea, but it's only half-cooked here. I get wanting all these other things, but the focus right now needs to be on getting money to people who need it, not trying to push through a bunch of extras. Those can wait; the people who need that money can't."

But the shit of it is, successfully pointing out one set of absurdities surrounding one issue never kicks off the process of noticing the problems with other issues. It doesn't get them to read beyond the headlines, or actually read up on the details of intended legislation, or fact-check anything. So any gains I've made have been small and incomplete, which is immensely demoralizing and depressing. The people I talk to aren't unintelligent, but they're just like cult members in their blind dogmatism, and occasionally sneaking some facts or an alternative view through their defenses has only a limited effect because their thinking is so rigid.

I don't know why I keep trying, at this point. Misplaced optimism, I guess.

 

[Marissa Moira]

...do they not understand how things work in the case of an electoral tie? Yes, the House chooses the President, but each state gets one vote.

They understand how the TV tells them how things are supposed to work.

 

[Sithis]

The only way I've found to successfully talk about politics and change TDS sufferers' minds even a little bit is to approach it as a leftie who has concerns about a given issue, from a leftie perspective, with leftie goals, and always including appeals to the right kinds of emotion.

This is one way in which the nonstop riots have actually helped me confuse some of the hardcore libs in my life regarding gun laws - Instead of using reason and logic to discuss the issue with them I just explain to them how gun control laws are racist because they make black people vulnerable, and suddenly they become a lot less outspoken about why guns are unchecked WMDs that have sentience and are murderbots

 

[soy_king]

Don't worry Romney only voted the way he did because he knows if he voted no he would get absolutely eviscerated in his election.


Imagine being so deluded that you think saying "I will marry you and let you fuck my stretched old pussy." to a Rich Black Man will get him to do what you want.

Tbf, Chelsea Handler looks like the type of damaged person who would be super into letting dudes do all sort of kinky and depraved shit. While that would be a draw 20 years ago, now it's a bit different...

 

[Secret Asshole]

The only way I've found to successfully talk about politics and change TDS sufferers' minds even a little bit is to approach it as a leftie who has concerns about a given issue, from a leftie perspective, with leftie goals, and always including appeals to the right kinds of emotion.

(Background: I was a lifelong Dem voter, was a TDS sufferer, but got red-pilled over the last couple of years. Currently, I'm politically homeless, but intend to vote for Trump. I've kept silent on it, however, so everybody in my ultra-progressive social and family circle still thinks I'm one of them, and I'm fine with that.)

The Green New Deal (or, as I think of it, the Green Leap Forward) is a typical example. I've made some significant inroads simply by having read it (when nobody I've met who supports it has), knowing what insane shit it proposes, and thus being able to inform other people of what it actually entails. And I frame it as, "This is a great idea, but x, y, and z, as they are written, really concern me, given what I know about actually doing x, y, and z. Enacting these measures in their current form would create tremendous hardships for some of our most vulnerable populations for [reasons]. So I think it still needs a lot of work before it becomes legislation."

Or, with the latest stimulus package, which Pelosi is willfully holding hostage: "Yeah, yeah, Orange Man Bad, but there's a bunch of stuff in that package that has absolutely nothing to do with Covid-19 relief, it doesn't belong in there, and Trump will never let it through. If Nancy really wants to get that stimulus package through so it can help people, she needs to take out anything irrelevant--like x. Oh, and y, which, I mean really, makes no sense, and what does it have to do with helping people right now?And z, which may be a good idea, but it's only half-cooked here. I get wanting all these other things, but the focus right now needs to be on getting money to people who need it, not trying to push through a bunch of extras. Those can wait; the people who need that money can't."

But the shit of it is, successfully pointing out one set of absurdities surrounding one issue never kicks off the process of noticing the problems with other issues. It doesn't get them to read beyond the headlines, or actually read up on the details of intended legislation, or fact-check anything. So any gains I've made have been small and incomplete, which is immensely demoralizing and depressing. The people I talk to aren't unintelligent, but they're just like cult members in their blind dogmatism, and occasionally sneaking some facts or an alternative view through their defenses has only a limited effect because their thinking is so rigid.

I don't know why I keep trying, at this point. Misplaced optimism, I guess.

The problem is that all of the ultra progtards who suffer from TDS are overly emotional, and put everything on their emotional state rather than trying to listen to reasoned arguments. Trump is basically the accumulation of everything they hate. Whether it is true or not is another matter.

I mean, my family member's GF thinks I'm a Republican for simply digging into and challenging Democratic talking points. Like if you inspect something, you are guilty of supporting the opposite side to it. There's no middle ground with them. It is literally George W. Bush. Either you're with them or against them. Honestly, I never really encountered it in reality. It is way more horrifying to see and hear it in front of you. Because it really is like talking to a cult member. Trump is Satan. He is the personification of Evil. And they are the harbingers of justice, the angels of God. What, you're trying to scrutinize the angels? Then you must be an agent of Satan! It sort of went like this:

"Why are you defending them, Asshole? You've become really apathetic. What happened, you used to be so together on this. My GF thinks you're a Republican because of it."

"Oh, haha. I was just, ah, uh, playing devil's advocate."

"They don't deserve it, you shouldn't do that. People might think you...like Trump."

"Yeah, ok. It was just a prank bro. Please don't sacrifice me on the altar of white privilege to try to get enough human hearts to make the Green New Deal pass."

I don't even know how you do it. The danger of your family exiling you is quite real. For posters that don't have people or family suffering from TDS, it is pretty scary. Because they literally will look at all Republicans like the Devil. And I want to tell you, we both voted Libertarian in 2016. So I'm feeling his GF got him on the progtard express. And the influence of my younger self probably didn't help any. God, I used to be one of those that admonished other people for saying 'retard'. I didn't used to be this argumentative though. What really snapped me out of it was being very vulnerable in 2008 and witnessing what my so-called movement cared about. I saw genuine suffering and these fucks were chanting about whose turn it was to speak and critical race theory and garbage that had nothing to do with people dying and the crimes being committed. But that was me 12 years ago. I've already told him that I didn't vote for Obama for his second term (I forgot who I voted for). He still has this image of me that I really no longer exist as.

Oh forget about Pelosi. I tried convincing him that Pelosi already won and was just holding back stimulus to make a political point. I even pointed out it wasn't just me saying it, Dems were saying it too, as well as CNN. But nope. He got really frustrated at that and just shifted everything back to Trump. Even though he hates Pelosi. I mean, even emotionally, I cannot make any headway if he is completely blinded by his disgust for Trump. So even appealing to him as a leftist won't work, because there's little rational comprehension here. I mean, if you're listening to Snopes, which has long since abandoned any pretense of being impartial and you can't even see that CNN going against the grain and pointing something out is really telling, I'm not making any headway, ever. They'll never look into independent sources or try to think for themselves.

Honestly, with their thinking being so rigid and them being so emotional, I've just determined not to bother. For example, my other family members, many of whom dislike Trump, will get up and LEAVE THE ROOM if he starts talking rather than try to engage him in a political conversation. It isn't that people don't start talking about politics in front of him. They actively avoid him when he starts talking.

Not bothering is just easier, makes life less complicated and leads to less stress. It isn't worth ripping each other to pieces over something as stupid as politics. Even if they think it is. I'll just yes them to death and keep shitposting. But if they keep saying we should abandon the constitution because they're slave owners, I might go for the comedy option. "You know what, you're right. Fuck those people. If we didn't have slavery, we wouldn't have all these niggers here fucking the country up." Just to blow their minds. Not that I believe any of that of course. Just to say fuck progressivism and what its done to politics. Of course, if I say that, that's not just burning the bridge, that's nuking on it, pissing on the ashes and dying of radiation poisoning just to watch their reaction. But I guess that's what its all about, isn't it? Saying something you don't believe fully to make the other party lose their fucking mind.

I think I'm a member of the shitposting party.

 

[ChikN10der]

The problem is that all of the ultra progtards who suffer from TDS are overly emotional, and put everything on their emotional state rather than trying to listen to reasoned arguments. Trump is basically the accumulation of everything they hate. Whether it is true or not is another matter.

I mean, my family member's GF thinks I'm a Republican for simply digging into and challenging Democratic talking points. Like if you inspect something, you are guilty of supporting the opposite side to it. There's no middle ground with them. It is literally George W. Bush. Either you're with them or against them. Honestly, I never really encountered it in reality. It is way more horrifying to see and hear it in front of you. Because it really is like talking to a cult member. Trump is Satan. He is the personification of Evil. And they are the harbingers of justice, the angels of God. What, you're trying to scrutinize the angels? Then you must be an agent of Satan! It sort of went like this:

"Why are you defending them, Asshole? You've become really apathetic. What happened, you used to be so together on this. My GF thinks you're a Republican because of it."

"Oh, haha. I was just, ah, uh, playing devil's advocate."

"They don't deserve it, you shouldn't do that. People might think you...like Trump."

"Yeah, ok. It was just a prank bro. Please don't sacrifice me on the altar of white privilege to try to get enough human hearts to make the Green New Deal pass."

I don't even know how you do it. The danger of your family exiling you is quite real. For posters that don't have people or family suffering from TDS, it is pretty scary. Because they literally will look at all Republicans like the Devil. And I want to tell you, we both voted Libertarian in 2016. So I'm feeling his GF got him on the progtard express. And the influence of my younger self probably didn't help any. God, I used to be one of those that admonished other people for saying 'retard'. I didn't used to be this argumentative though. What really snapped me out of it was being very vulnerable in 2008 and witnessing what my so-called movement cared about. I saw genuine suffering and these fucks were chanting about whose turn it was to speak and critical race theory and garbage that had nothing to do with people dying and the crimes being committed. But that was me 12 years ago. I've already told him that I didn't vote for Obama for his second term (I forgot who I voted for). He still has this image of me that I really no longer exist as.

Oh forget about Pelosi. I tried convincing him that Pelosi already won and was just holding back stimulus to make a political point. I even pointed out it wasn't just me saying it, Dems were saying it too, as well as CNN. But nope. He got really frustrated at that and just shifted everything back to Trump. Even though he hates Pelosi. I mean, even emotionally, I cannot make any headway if he is completely blinded by his disgust for Trump. So even appealing to him as a leftist won't work, because there's little rational comprehension here. I mean, if you're listening to Snopes, which has long since abandoned any pretense of being impartial and you can't even see that CNN going against the grain and pointing something out is really telling, I'm not making any headway, ever. They'll never look into independent sources or try to think for themselves.

Honestly, with their thinking being so rigid and them being so emotional, I've just determined not to bother. For example, my other family members, many of whom dislike Trump, will get up and LEAVE THE ROOM if he starts talking rather than try to engage him in a political conversation. It isn't that people don't start talking about politics in front of him. They actively avoid him when he starts talking.

Not bothering is just easier, makes life less complicated and leads to less stress. It isn't worth ripping each other to pieces over something as stupid as politics. Even if they think it is. I'll just yes them to death and keep shitposting. But if they keep saying we should abandon the constitution because they're slave owners, I might go for the comedy option. "You know what, you're right. Fuck those people. If we didn't have slavery, we wouldn't have all these niggers here fucking the country up." Just to blow their minds. Not that I believe any of that of course. Just to say fuck progressivism and what its done to politics. Of course, if I say that, that's not just burning the bridge, that's nuking on it, pissing on the ashes and dying of radiation poisoning just to watch their reaction. But I guess that's what its all about, isn't it? Saying something you don't believe fully to make the other party lose their fucking mind.

I think I'm a member of the shitposting party.

I can relate to a point, although the people in my life have relented on "if you support Trump you are evil".

I feel the need to share information. When someone says they're supporting biden because Trump ignored russian bounties, or is owned by putin, I try to direct them to the truth. Like you say, people get offended by even the suggestion there might be another side to the story
I find people fall back on cynicism, "well all of them are liars so I don't believe any of it from either side". Well of course both sides in any issue claim to be right, that's why it's up to the observer to verify whether it's true.

I find the anti Trump people in my life just take statements from politicians, media figures, and news as either 100 percent true, if it comes from one of their "reliable sources", or it's a complete lie if it contradicts that.

When the people on the other side of an issue go to "well what even is truth" you know they have no logical argument left. But votes by people with no logical argument count the same regardless...

 

[Who dat?]

I'm thinking that it's tempting fate for Biden to be campaigning in Warm Springs, Georgia.

 

[Pointless Pedant]

Fuck me, I will stick up for the Yankistanis on this one, as our greatest allies.

Everything you listed is likely not quite true, but lets assume it is. Know what the greatest of things any human can have?

Freedom.

Try using those rail lines if your social score is not high enough because you once said you thought genocide of muslims was a bad idea. Or you used your tapped phone to send a dirty joke to a friend and now you cannot continue in your education. The media can only say good things about the government, because their is a death camp for those who do not.

It's not true. Minimum wage in Beijing is 24RMB per hour, which is equivalent to about $3.50. US minimum wage is pretty low, but it's a lot better than that.

 

[CrippleThreat]

I'm thinking that it's tempting fate for Biden to be campaigning in Warm Springs, Georgia.

He should be defending the Rust Belt. But it's not like people are voting for him there or anywhere, they're just tired of Don.

 

[Iron Hamster]

lolz from 1987

 

[PepsiVanilla]

"Kamala's wife..."

 

[verissimus]

"Kamala's wife..."

Please....Joe stop. Just go back to your basement and stay there.