2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

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I gave you one, but I hope that you are right. I'm not saying this is over, but better to receive a potentially honest bad news over a false good one. Because if we're starting at a future socialist leader in Harris in a few months (at least in the shadow), we have got to be prepared to make tough life choices.


The riots occurred in Philadelphia last night. I'll admit when I was looking at the internals that I was shocked that 27% of Philadelphia were voting for Trump. I wouldn't be surprised if much of that came from the riots and people wanting less of it. If that margin somehow improves, it will be because of it, but I also know Baris said in his stream today that he thinks his Philadelphia sample is too generous towards Trump.


Yes, but Trump was ahead by 0.6% in Baris's poll on the state in 2016 and the Amish weren't included. Baris was a tenth of a percentage towards getting Pennsylvania's vote share right and only a few tenths in a few battleground states. If the Amish were to somehow be represented in the 2020 poll and all voted for Trump, he would still be 0.6% behind Biden. Again, the poll is a statistical tie and there is still more sampling to be done, but I am choosing to trust Baris when he has been so consistently right and other pollsters so dead wrong.
I have to interject man. I trust Baris and his findings on how this race is a statistical tie, but there are 30000 81000 (2020 numbers) estimated Amish in Lancaster PA. Going by 2016 margins, 61,000 votes is 1% point, so the Amish can squeeze about 1.3% if juiced. I have no idea where you are getting 0.1% from. Granted, there is likely the fact that the Amish would either not vote or vote Biden, but still.

You have this overreliance on Baris when the topline thing is that the race is a virtual tie in his data and there is still inconsistencies with his idea. If Trump was running nearly double the margin in Philly in 2016 and running up the score everywhere else in the states besides some slippage in suburbs, how the literal fuck does Trump lose PA? It doesn't make sense. Its like Trump doing better in Miami. Thats a fuckload (read: tens of thousands) of votes that are going to Trump that you cant ignore.

And this goes to Baris seeing a swing in FL by atleast being Trump+2. If it is Trump+2, then PA and MI get more red since they share similar mindsets, demographics and mentalities. I trust Baris more in FL because he lives there and knows the state well. I trust my eyes more than him though. Trump is not losing Florida.

Remember, Baris had a 0.02 Trump lead in Wisconsin and said Clinton would take it in 2017, albiet by pressure from his superiors. Neither of these were accurate and Baris UNDERESTIMATED Trump there. Wisconsin was the first of the big 3 that was called. Now, the WOW counties coming back to Romney level turnout, I'm not seeing how Trump loses Wisconsin since he adopted the Walker coalition. Its even harder now to poll people than 2016, and Trump voters are lying to pollsters that they are voting Biden with pride. There are things that you just can't get from any pollster, no matter how good they are. If you even mess with the turnout divisions by 0.1%, you swing the election.
 
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Yes, but Trump was ahead by 0.6% in Baris's poll on the state in 2016 and the Amish weren't included. Baris was a tenth of a percentage towards getting Pennsylvania's vote share right and only a few tenths in a few battleground states. If the Amish were to somehow be represented in the 2020 poll and all voted for Trump, he would still be 0.6% behind Biden. Again, the poll is a statistical tie and there is still more sampling to be done, but I am choosing to trust Baris when he has been so consistently right and other pollsters so dead wrong.

The Amish "surge" for Trump in 2016 was about 1k-2k votes, total. This was a surge because normally Amish don't vote, and only a small number are even registered.

Mr. Kopko and Mr. Nolt said that there are 76,000 Amish living in Pennsylvania. Of those, 30,860 live in Lancaster County and 15,055 are eligible to vote, although only 2,052 registered. Of that number 1,019 actually voted in 2016.

Trump could quadruple his Amish turnout from 2016 and not outweigh the fraudulent votes generated from the smallest suburb of Philadelphia.

If he registered 10x the number of Amish from 2016 and turned them all out, he'd pick up ~40k votes. Which would be great, since that was his entire winning margin in 2016, but they had huge registration drives in 2004 that only resulted in "hundreds" of total votes for Bush.

I don't know why everyone is so giddy over the Amish vote. It's good meme material, not the start of a state-crushing coalition.
 
Didn't see this answered, so I ask again:

Can somebody like @GuntPunt give a breakdown to how early voting is going as of today? How many of the votes are for Republicans, Democrats, Independents, etc. on national, state, and county lines?
Disclaimer: we don't know how these people are voting, but in the era of Trump, if you are a registered Republican still, I guess you are still voting for him. Remember, he got 94% of the Republican vote in the primary.

Florida: Democrats are shitting themaslves. They had an internal goal of 650k advantage into election day to tank the Republican onslaught on Election Day. It was 500k before early in person started. Now, its 250k, and dropping. They are dead in the water nearly in FL.

MI and WI: Republicans now have the edge in ballots returned.

Pennsylvania: 70% Democratic returns. Sounds awful, but its misleading. Due to VBM being the only option in PA, there's no fight to combat the banking. Second, the volume of returns is only about 20% of 2016's total in PA. Third, over 60% of those ballots are from Philly and Pittsburg. Prepare for the onslaught on election day because Republicans don't trust the governor. They are holding until then so they can't create enough ballot fraud to win.

Texas and Georgia: Texas is like 14% Republican edge and GA is about 5+% and increasing. Meme blue flip states aren't happening.

Arizona: Dems want a 300k advantage for election day onslaught. It was 115k yesterday. It dropped below 90k today. They don't want to vote because McSally's seat was stolen due to banking votes too soon.

NC: Similar to AZ and PA with distrust of the governor. Democratic edge 360k. They had a 310k edge in 2016 and still lost by 4 points. State is also 5 points more republican than 2016. Black vote is down compared to 2016 share.

Nevada: Barnes said if it was a fair election, Trump would win Nevada with the early voting trend occuring. Take that as you will.
 
And expect some assmad journoslugs to whine about muh misinformayshun

Oliver Darcy already is.

NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T SHOW BOTH RALLIES! THAT'S BOTHSIDESISM!
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Only thing I know about Darcy is he smugly smugged it up when he organized Alex Jones getting shoah'd off the entire internet, so...

Standard enemy of humanity rules apply -- if you have the opportunity to kick him in the nuts, do so.
 
The Amish "surge" for Trump in 2016 was about 1k-2k votes, total. This was a surge because normally Amish don't vote, and only a small number are even registered.



Trump could quadruple his Amish turnout from 2016 and not outweigh the fraudulent votes generated from the smallest suburb of Philadelphia.

If he registered 10x the number of Amish from 2016 and turned them all out, he'd pick up ~40k votes. Which would be great, since that was his entire winning margin in 2016, but they had huge registration drives in 2004 that only resulted in "hundreds" of total votes for Bush.

I don't know why everyone is so giddy over the Amish vote. It's good meme material, not the start of a state-crushing coalition.

Whatever the margin is, it sounds like the Supreme Court needs to put the stomp on the PA election fuckery as soon as possible if Trump wants even a prayer at taking the state.
 
Disclaimer: we don't know how these people are voting, but in the era of Trump, if you are a registered Republican still, I guess you are still voting for him. Remember, he got 94% of the Republican vote in the primary.
Republican turnout will be huge, and there will be a couple of folks you wouldn't even think would ever vote red or vote at all joining the GOP just this once. The only Republicans who might be dissuaded or flat-out vote against the Don are the Romney/Mormon/Evangelical Republicans.

Florida: Democrats are shitting themaslves. They had an internal goal of 650k advantage into election day to tank the Republican onslaught on Election Day. It was 500k before early in person started. Now, its 250k, and dropping. They are dead in the water nearly in FL.
And Trump is still investing money there too, disregard that prior posted Tim Pool video. It's his to lose at this point.
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MI and WI: Republicans now have the edge in ballots returned.
And given the Trump Republicans heavy distrust of all things Democrat, they'll vote on Election Day late, just to help battle the fraud harder.

Pennsylvania: 70% Democratic returns. Sounds awful, but its misleading. Due to VBM being the only option in PA, there's no fight to combat the banking. Second, the volume of returns is only about 20% of 2016's total in PA. Third, over 60% of those ballots are from Philly and Pittsburg. Prepare for the onslaught on election day because Republicans don't trust the governor. They are holding until then so they can't create enough ballot fraud to win.
EDIT: All Biden's done this race is whore himself out in this state. Wouldn't be surprised if Trump's Scranton remarks pissed people off that Biden "only" campaigns there, but that's a dumb thought. Glad he actually touched the entire Rust Belt.

Texas and Georgia: Texas is like 14% Republican edge and GA is about 5+% and increasing. Meme blue flip states aren't happening.
There was some recent fraud in Texas that was exposed by Veritas, but it's Texas. It won't turn blue until late this decade or the next. Also, lol blue Georgia.

Arizona: Dems want a 300k advantage for election day onslaught. It was 115k yesterday. It dropped below 90k today. They don't want to vote because McSally's seat was stolen due to banking votes too soon.
Arizona will continue to trend blue into the decade though. But with the recent Trump visits, it likely won't this cycle. Also, they learned from 2018. Good.

NC: Similar to AZ and PA with distrust of the governor. Democratic edge 360k. They had a 310k edge in 2016 and still lost by 4 points. State is also 5 points more republican than 2016. Black vote is down compared to 2016 share.
Glad to see the rising distrust of our public officials. Trump really is a wrench in the system.

Nevada: Barnes said if it was a fair election, Trump would win Nevada with the early voting trend occuring. Take that as you will.
It's a new state for Trump to carry, if Clown World is kind.

What's your word on New Hampshire (and Minnesota)? If Trump and co. pepper it during the weekend into his Super Saiyan rampage before the General, I think he can clutch it. (As for MN, I'll take a cue from the GOP adviser from '16: "Sir! You have to do one more speech! Just one more rally, and it's yours!")

EDIT: It came from a boomer, but Trump is still having the most fun with his campaign and his base is enjoying the ride as well. Biden is probably being dragged out of bed everyday until the General because Trump is mocking him taking lids and has to endure mass honkage from "his biggest supporters." Kamala sounds awkward and is probably on something. And 44 just doesn't want to be there, and he too experiences the Wrath of Honk™. And the base? The fact there are multiple labels for them is amazing: TDS. VBNMW, Seasicks/Normies, and Never Trumpers.
 
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First off CitizenFreePress.com is knocking it outta the park as a solid alternative to DrudgeReport. I gotta share this great meme with @CrippleThreat:
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Anyway it probably is just wishful thinking on my part and Kamala is just trying her best to sound black, but it really does seem she's medicated here either with benzos or alcohol. The fact that she blurts out about PTSD really makes me think we are going to see the Red Wave. If you're confident you're going to win the election the last thing you'd be reminding voters is how your party failed during the last Presidential cycle.


It really does make me wonder if we can tell how this election will finish based on the mood of the campaigns. Trump is once again finishing 2020 with constant campaigning, he clearly loves that so many Americans take the time out of their day to see him. Whereas Joe is clearly just taking it easy. For sure COVID might make the Biden campaign appear more finished that it actually is but I can't help but think Joe would be running around the country too unless he knew next week was going to be sad based on their actual internal polls. Also Nate Silver's tone is getting progressively more defeatist, like he's preparing Democratic hopefuls for the worst case scenario.
 
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My mailbox has been bombarded with that crap. In ONE WEEK I got 5 "reminders" from the same organization, telling me what a wonderful person I was for being an active voter - the last 3 exhorted me to examine the records of Democratic candidates in my area in particular.

Do you want spite votes? Because this is how you get spite votes.

14 emails from Trump PACs and the Trump campaign since Noon today alone.

The Biden emails were just as bad, but they stopped after the second debate.

I feel no spite towards Trump. Bit amused by how many emails are being sent. The Biden emails stopping after he fucked up on stage is telling.

Wait so which poll of his is more accurate

They're different time frames. They show the state swinging towards Trump in the past few weeks.
 
BREAKING NEWS: we figured out why there's no Biden lawn signs anywhere!

Florida man stole bulldozer, ran down Biden signs in Haines City neighborhood, police say​

HAINES CITY, Fla. - Police say a homeless man took a backhoe from a Polk County construction site over the weekend and drove it around a Haines City neighborhood stealing Joe Biden campaign signs.
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Investigators say after stealing the backhoe from an Arby’s under construction on U.S. Highway 27, James Blight drove to Adam Burgess’s home. Burgess is the former vice mayor of Haines City.

They say Blight stole several Biden signs from Burgess’ front yard, jumped back in the backhoe and ran down his fence...

From the Burgess home, detectives say, Blight drove about half a mile away, ran down a street sign, then used the backhoe to dig up several Biden signs on someone else’s property.

When he was finally arrested, Blight told investigators that he had been drinking whiskey all day.

Behold, MAGA's secret weapon.

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What's your word on New Hampshire? If Trump and co. pepper it during the weekend into his Super Saiyan rampage before the General, I think he can clutch it.
Checked NH. Basically similar to PA but worse for Democrats. 53 D - 21 R - 26 I split with 16% of the 2016 total vote in with only mail voting as the early option. Seems like a sleeper flip. It hated Biden and broke Reagan's record for incumbant turnout for Trump. We shall see.
 
The Amish "surge" for Trump in 2016 was about 1k-2k votes, total. This was a surge because normally Amish don't vote, and only a small number are even registered.



Trump could quadruple his Amish turnout from 2016 and not outweigh the fraudulent votes generated from the smallest suburb of Philadelphia.

If he registered 10x the number of Amish from 2016 and turned them all out, he'd pick up ~40k votes. Which would be great, since that was his entire winning margin in 2016, but they had huge registration drives in 2004 that only resulted in "hundreds" of total votes for Bush.

I don't know why everyone is so giddy over the Amish vote. It's good meme material, not the start of a state-crushing coalition.
I've kept hearing about how the mysterious Amish vote would somehow save Trump in Pennsylvania in case things were to look awry, and this confirms my doubts about it. Most Amish people are apolitical and see voting for another politicians as serving another master. While it's true every vote matters, they would not be a potential deciding vote unless we ended with a 2000 situation where Pennsylvania is decided by hundreds of votes. But given how the Democrats plan to cheat like they never cheat before, they will steal that margin away and at best, we get a nasty weeks long court fight that severely damages the trust in our republic.

I have to interject man. I trust Baris and his findings on how this race is a statistical tie, but there are 30000 81000 (2020 numbers) estimated Amish in Lancaster PA. Going by 2016 margins, 61,000 votes is 1% point, so the Amish can squeeze about 1.3% if juiced. I have no idea where you are getting 0.1% from. Granted, there is likely the fact that the Amish would either not vote or vote Biden, but still.

You have this overreliance on Baris when the topline thing is that the race is a virtual tie in his data and there is still inconsistencies with his idea. If Trump was running nearly double the margin in Philly in 2016 and running up the score everywhere else in the states besides some slippage in suburbs, how the literal fuck does Trump lose PA? It doesn't make sense. Its like Trump doing better in Miami. Thats a fuckload (read: tens of thousands) of votes that are going to Trump that you cant ignore.

And this goes to Baris seeing a swing in FL by atleast being Trump+2. If it is Trump+2, then PA and MI get more red since they share similar mindsets, demographics and mentalities. I trust Baris more in FL because he lives there and knows the state well. I trust my eyes more than him though. Trump is not losing Florida.

Remember, Baris had a 0.02 Trump lead in Wisconsin and said Clinton would take it in 2017, albiet by pressure from his superiors. Neither of these were accurate and Baris UNDERESTIMATED Trump there. Wisconsin was the first of the big 3 that was called. Now, the WOW counties coming back to Romney level turnout, I'm not seeing how Trump loses Wisconsin since he adopted the Walker coalition. Its even harder now to poll people than 2016, and Trump voters are lying to pollsters that they are voting Biden with pride. There are things that you just can't get from any pollster, no matter how good they are. If you even mess with the turnout divisions by 0.1%, you swing the election.
Given that they almost certainly won't vote more than several thousands, I'd say that's a generous increase I gave. It's not wise to place your cope on a group that are apolitical in the first place.

I give Baris as much credit as I do because in most swing states in 2016, he was within a 0.5 margin of being correct. That is incredible, especially in an era where polling is becoming less reliable than ever. What misses he has happen to be on both sides of the political spectrums and they are not as often as media and university pollsters who falsify results or deliberately oversample Democrats to push a Democratic candidate landslide narrative. That doesn't mean a point miss isn't impossible, but a trustworthy and transparent pollster is probably going to be close to the truth. Especially when voter fraud might actually take out the potential tipping point state if the Pennsylvania GOP are not successful in their appeal towards striking down the three day ballot counting extension and no signature requirement on mail in ballots.

The thing about the suburban voters is that they are the largest population of voters. Trump can make double digit gains in Philadelphia's urban area but if the margin of suburban voters decline by 15 or more - the largest demographic of voters - then he loses the states. He cannot afford to have massive bleeding in the suburbs.

Also Florida has a much different demographic than the Rust Belt. I know that Barnes pointed out that the white working class votes similarity to the Rust Belt, and I buy that, but Florida has a much different demographic than the Rust Belt. Miami-Dade County is turning out massively for Trump because he is doing so well among the Hispanic - especially Cubans and Venezuelans. He can win Florida by 2% and still lose the election because of the white suburban or rural voters who buy into Biden's decency argument and the false assumption that once he gets election, the boat will stop rocking (the seasick effect Baris pointed out). While Trump otherwise did great at the last debate, he failed to address this niche audience that may approve of his job but just want the whole drama to end. It doesn't matter how much we convince ourselves Florida is a lock (which I do agree with you on) if Biden gets a straight flush through the competitive Rust Belt states (not Ohio and Iowa) and wins the election because of the seasick voters.

Though to be fair, I do think the Rust Belt aren't totally unified by how they vote but rather separate into two groups. Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Michigan vote in a group together while Iowa, Wisconsin, and Minnesota vote together since the latter has the Norwegian voters while the former group are more attitudinal. It's possible that Trump can lose Pennsylvania and Michigan and still get re-elected by carrying Minnesota and Wisconsin (which will help deter faithless electorates from impacting the election), but the latter two states are hampered even worse by the issue of Biden's decency argument. We'll see how the rest polls, but I would not be shocked to see Michigan, Wisconsin, and Minnesota at Biden+1-3.
 
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Anyway it probably is just wishful thinking on my part and Kamala is just trying her best to sound black, but it really does seem she's medicated here either with benzos or alcohol. The fact that she blurts out about PTSD really makes me think we are going to see the Red Wave. If you're confident you're going to win the election the last thing you'd be reminding voters is how your party failed during the last Presidential cycle.
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Here is an article on voter turnout.


Basically lets pray for a low turnout by democrats on election day for Trump to get a landslide as I believe Kyle Kulinski who talked about how low turnout elections usually benefit Republicans but 2016 has to be an outlier compared to 1980, 1984, 1988, 2000. There is also 2004 which feels low energy but had roughly the same turnout as years where the democrats usually won.

Also there is this whole interview that Tucker did today.

 
The decency argument only appeals to those who ALREADY voted for Jillary. “Muh Democrat suburban trends” will turn out to be the most overhyped thing in 2020. Trump will do better in many of the suburbs than he did in 2016. Don’t read too much into the 2018 results. There will also be more Hillary to Trump voters than you might think and Trump female support is arguably being the MOST underestimated because of social desirability bias, I would not be surprised if there’s basically no slippage with white womyn this year
 
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