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I have to interject man. I trust Baris and his findings on how this race is a statistical tie, but there areI gave you one, but I hope that you are right. I'm not saying this is over, but better to receive a potentially honest bad news over a false good one. Because if we're starting at a future socialist leader in Harris in a few months (at least in the shadow), we have got to be prepared to make tough life choices.
The riots occurred in Philadelphia last night. I'll admit when I was looking at the internals that I was shocked that 27% of Philadelphia were voting for Trump. I wouldn't be surprised if much of that came from the riots and people wanting less of it. If that margin somehow improves, it will be because of it, but I also know Baris said in his stream today that he thinks his Philadelphia sample is too generous towards Trump.
Yes, but Trump was ahead by 0.6% in Baris's poll on the state in 2016 and the Amish weren't included. Baris was a tenth of a percentage towards getting Pennsylvania's vote share right and only a few tenths in a few battleground states. If the Amish were to somehow be represented in the 2020 poll and all voted for Trump, he would still be 0.6% behind Biden. Again, the poll is a statistical tie and there is still more sampling to be done, but I am choosing to trust Baris when he has been so consistently right and other pollsters so dead wrong.
You have this overreliance on Baris when the topline thing is that the race is a virtual tie in his data and there is still inconsistencies with his idea. If Trump was running nearly double the margin in Philly in 2016 and running up the score everywhere else in the states besides some slippage in suburbs, how the literal fuck does Trump lose PA? It doesn't make sense. Its like Trump doing better in Miami. Thats a fuckload (read: tens of thousands) of votes that are going to Trump that you cant ignore.
And this goes to Baris seeing a swing in FL by atleast being Trump+2. If it is Trump+2, then PA and MI get more red since they share similar mindsets, demographics and mentalities. I trust Baris more in FL because he lives there and knows the state well. I trust my eyes more than him though. Trump is not losing Florida.
Remember, Baris had a 0.02 Trump lead in Wisconsin and said Clinton would take it in 2017, albiet by pressure from his superiors. Neither of these were accurate and Baris UNDERESTIMATED Trump there. Wisconsin was the first of the big 3 that was called. Now, the WOW counties coming back to Romney level turnout, I'm not seeing how Trump loses Wisconsin since he adopted the Walker coalition. Its even harder now to poll people than 2016, and Trump voters are lying to pollsters that they are voting Biden with pride. There are things that you just can't get from any pollster, no matter how good they are. If you even mess with the turnout divisions by 0.1%, you swing the election.
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