Inactive Nick Bate / Nickalaus B. Stoutzenberger (Thread 2: THE RECKONING)

[DrJonesHat]

Surely from our p.o.v. we should hope he goes not guilty? A guilty plea is one of the only things that could conceivably count in his favour during sentencing.

If he insists on a trial, he'll probably get the maximum sentence, but Amber has to suffer through it. If he pleads guilty, he'll probably get less time, but Amber doesn't have to do anything else, and she can go on with her life. I for one hope he pleads out, just to spare her. He'll probably still get 15-20 years. I dunno how parole works in Pennsylvania so I don't know how much of his sentence he has to serve before he's eligible.

 

[Dudeofteenage]

I wonder how he's adapted to prison life. Probably not well. He's surrounded by other people, he's being told what to do constantly, and every minute of every day, he's being watched. Also, they've made him shower and shave, and won't let him smear shit on the walls. He's most likely abjectly miserable, or he's retreated so far into his own world that he's never coming out again.

It could go either way IMO. On the one hand, Nick is very meek and fearful and non-confrontational, so he's likely to do everything he's told without protest. On the other hand, he is paranoid, so it's possible he would flip out at something inconsequential.

 

[Yawning Bulbasaur]

Knowing Sick Nick's logic, he'll plead not guilty because he'll be all "I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING!"; going to any means possible to prove his innocence and drag poor Amber through the sheer trauma of recounting everything in graphic detail what he did to her. Including how the defence will no doubt cross-examine her, it'll take a lot of time and help to pull through and move on with her life.

I really hope that Nick will do the very decent thing and plead guilty.

At least if he pleads not guilty, that will just mean he'll be even more fucked

I wonder how long he'll be in if does plead guilty, and whether or not by the time he gets out if he'll even still be under his aunt's care or completely disowned and forced to live as a hobo?

 

[NobleGreyHorse]

Goddamnit, I wish so much I could find some way to get Amber the contact deets of the trauma specialist therapist I used to see. She's expensive as fuck (hence "used to" because crap insurance), but (a) good at what she does; (b) well respected by lawyers in the county -- in fact, she was going to testify at my divorce, had it gone to a hearing. But there's no way to, nor to convince her dad to shell out for $(a lot)/hr if they won't even get her backward-projecting front incisors straightened. If you will all excuse the expression... shit.

 

[The Littlest Shitlord]

Any time between now and the jury verdict.

Nick being recalcitrant depends on exactly how stupid he is. It's one thing for him to be a delusional moron on the Internet. It's entirely another after being bitchslapped hard by reality for a couple months. His circumstances might be hellish enough he'd want to get it over with and to wherever he's going for the next part of his life.

On the other hand, his circumstances might be hellish enough that he'd rather kill himself than endure them for the years of even a shortened sentence. In that case he'd want to go to trial and kill himself if he loses. Victory or death, if you will.

 

[DrJonesHat]

I really wish there was some way to raise money for Amber's therapy, but that would require telling the world why she needs it, and that would just end up hurting her worse.

 

[PeteyCoffee]

I think it would benefit Amber to testify.

The first step of dealing with trauma is to acknowledge and suffer through the memories. It is necessary, if Amber is ever going to contextualize everything in a healthy way - so mental scars don't form that disrupt the remainder of her life.

The longer Amber goes before thoroughly exploring her trauma, the less likely she'll ever effectively deal with the consequences of it. Because it's much harder to recapture old and suppressed memories.

Also, seeing Nick in the courtroom (alongside all the evidence they bring against him) might help Amber develop a healthy mindset of, 'I didn't do anything wrong; Nick is one sick, appalling man, and he hurt me in a heinous way, but he isn't going to hurt me anymore.'

Of course, the best case scenario would include long-term therapy.

Unfortunately, Amber may wind up very much like Nick.

If Nick's mother was still beating him in his early twenties, then how did she treat Nick before he could fight back? Is there any indication the woman treats Amber any differently?

Nick was molested by a female cousin, and his family did nothing about it. Is there any indication the same people will help Amber?

Nick doesn't know how to take care of himself, and if teeth are an indicator, Amber doesn't either. (Assuming Nick's molestation account is accurate, hygiene is another indicator.)

 

[KatsuKitty]

I think it would benefit Amber to testify.

The first step of dealing with trauma is to acknowledge and suffer through the memories. It is necessary, if Amber is ever going to contextualize everything in a healthy way - so mental scars don't form that disrupt the remainder of her life.

The longer Amber goes before thoroughly exploring her trauma, the less likely she'll ever effectively deal with the consequences of it. Because it's much harder to recapture old and suppressed memories.

Also, seeing Nick in the courtroom (alongside all the evidence they bring against him) might help Amber develop a healthy mindset of, 'I didn't do anything wrong; Nick is one sick, appalling man, and he hurt me in a heinous way, but he isn't going to hurt me anymore.'

Of course, the best case scenario would include long-term therapy.

Testifying is never good for victims. It's a necessary evil nonetheless, although Nick will likely just plea out once the prosecutor starts upgrading or piling on charges. For instance, I'm damn sure his computer has more shit on it they'll charge him with, and the plea deal will roll everything into one convenient 20-year package.

 

[AnOminous]

Testifying is never good for victims. It's a necessary evil nonetheless, although Nick will likely just plea out once the prosecutor starts upgrading or piling on charges. For instance, I'm damn sure his computer has more shit on it they'll charge him with, and the plea deal will roll everything into one convenient 20-year package.

Yeah, I forgot to mention that was a possibility at the preliminary hearing. They might file a superseding complaint of some sort adding a bunch of stuff (or in theory removing something like the most serious charge if they for some reason feel they can't prove it). They could, I believe, also do that at some point prior to trial but after the prelim.

 

[LordCustos3]

At least if he pleads not guilty, that will just mean he'll be even more fucked

I wonder how long he'll be in if does plead guilty, and whether or not by the time he gets out if he'll even still be under his aunt's care or completely disowned and forced to live as a hobo?

Not to powerlevel, but a distant relative (like, second-cousin twice removed....or something) just got out of jail for doing something that put him on the Sex Offender registry for life. Granted, something not as bad as Sick Nick's transgressions, but close. The distant relatives mother died a week ago. All the other relatives made it abundantly clear they don't want him at the funeral. Soooooo, yeah. "Completely Disowned" is a distinct possibility, even for someone who showers regularly and doesn't smear their shit on the walls.
Once you've had your sit down meeting with Chris Hanson, your social life is pretty much over with.

EDIT: to lighten the mood of this grim little post, I'll just add that the quote in the corner reads "I eat pieces of shit like you for breakfast" which is either the dumbest.....or most brilliant....thing any carbon-based lifeform has ever uttered.

 

[pbls]

This has already been discussed, but: no. Nick is extremely paranoid and thinks random people are going to attack him on the street for no reason. He is likely to have a very realistic view of his prospects.

I wouldn't say that's entirely paranoia, considering ten years ago or something people actually showed up to his house with a baseball bat and beat him up.

 

[4Macie]

Soooooo, yeah. "Completely Disowned" is a distinct possibility

You have to remember, the family KNEW this was happening already... or at least they had an inkling. That's why Nick was never allowed with his sister alone.

I wouldn't say that's entirely paranoia, considering ten years ago or something people actually showed up to his house with a baseball bat and beat him up.

Wait, what? Do we have him saying this??? I thought I was up to date but obviously I was wrong.

 

[KatsuKitty]

EDIT: to lighten the mood of this grim little post, I'll just add that the quote in the corner reads "I eat pieces of shit like you for breakfast" which is either the dumbest.....or most brilliant....thing any carbon-based lifeform has ever uttered.

That was Shooter McGavin from Happy Gilmore. Back when Adam Sandler movies were still kinda funny.

 

[drtoboggan]

I wouldn't say that's entirely paranoia, considering ten years ago or something people actually showed up to his house with a baseball bat and beat him up.

Wait, that happened to him? Was this during high school?

 

[pbls]

Wait, what? Do we have him saying this??? I thought I was up to date but obviously I was wrong.

Wait, that happened to him? Was this during high school?

I don't have the conversation because MSN done fucked up, but yeah he was talking about it with a mutual friend and I one time. It was during high school. He said it was a group of people he knew from the internet and it happened before we met him. At the time he was much more stable (comparatively) so I don't imagine he was, er, pulling it out of his ass.

 

[SolidusChris]

people actually showed up to his house with a baseball bat and beat him up.

Good.

 

[4Macie]

I don't have the conversation because MSN done fucked up, but yeah he was talking about it with a mutual friend and I one time. It was during high school. He said it was a group of people he knew from the internet and it happened before we met him. At the time he was much more stable (comparatively) so I don't imagine he was, er, pulling it out of his ass.

So even when he was "much more stable" people thought he was weird enough to beat up with baseball bats....good to know.

 

[Yawning Bulbasaur]

Not to powerlevel, but a distant relative (like, second-cousin twice removed....or something) just got out of jail for doing something that put him on the Sex Offender registry for life. Granted, something not as bad as Sick Nick's transgressions, but close. The distant relatives mother died a week ago. All the other relatives made it abundantly clear they don't want him at the funeral. Soooooo, yeah. "Completely Disowned" is a distinct possibility, even for someone who showers regularly and doesn't smear their shit on the walls.
Once you've had your sit down meeting with Chris Hanson, your social life is pretty much over with.

EDIT: to lighten the mood of this grim little post, I'll just add that the quote in the corner reads "I eat pieces of shit like you for breakfast" which is either the dumbest.....or most brilliant....thing any carbon-based lifeform has ever uttered.

What was it exactly that he did to make his entire family hate him?

I don't have the conversation because MSN done fucked up, but yeah he was talking about it with a mutual friend and I one time. It was during high school. He said it was a group of people he knew from the internet and it happened before we met him. At the time he was much more stable (comparatively) so I don't imagine he was, er, pulling it out of his ass.

Let me guess, he was talking to them "aboot" wanting to diddle kids

 

[TheMightyMonarch]

Wow, I can't believe I read this entire thread. All 88 pages. Nick is an odd breed on lolcow, considering there's a lot less emphasis of "lol" here. This thread and Nick's case is very emotionally draining. Although he's undeniably a piece of shit who clearly has no remorse for the people that he's hurt, I think it's kinda obvious that he was clearly fucked since the day he was born. He had severe mental illnesses that take a lot of effort to maintain and control and having a solid, supportive family is usually (in most cases, at least) serves as a good foundation. Nick had none of that. If his parents couldn't even be bothered to teach him to brush his teeth on a regular basis, then it's really a no brainer that they wouldn't even consider helping and supporting him with his illnesses.

All and all, I just find this situation to be really sad. At the end of the day, the only person who I think has a shot of breaking this cycle is Amber herself. And a lot of it depends how things go after the trial. For starters, she needs to get the fuck away from her mom, so she won't become Nick 2.0. I have no idea what kind of person her dad is like. Whether he's actually a good guy or a deranged redneck like the rest of Nick's clan who only a tad smarter than the rest, I simply just don't know. Either way, reporting the abuse was a step in the right direction and that clearly he is the more capable parent. Maybe things won't be great but living with her dad would be a lot better than living with mom (are her parents even divorced yet?).

I don't mean to sound edgy here but I think the only way that Nick would've had a fair shot in life if he had none at all. That is, his mom should've probably aborted him. Just everything about the Stoutzenberger family seems horrific and the worst part is that there is certainly no shortage of them. People who have no business having kids and yet they have them anyway. I'm not trying to blame Nick's actions on his family considering at the end of the day, he's an adult who makes his own decisions but I think it's pretty clear who helped him become the person that he became. Anyway, I hope I'm not being too soft on my analysis of him.

 

[Red_Rager]

I really wish there was some way to raise money for Amber's therapy, but that would require telling the world why she needs it, and that would just end up hurting her worse.

Maybe something could possibly be set up here at the farm? Sort of like how there was a fundraiser set up for Chris when his house burnt down, and we already know what is going on. Of course even if this was set up, it would all really depend on whether it would actually be used for the therapy. She does need the help.