#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

So basically, unless you get an amount that makes you happy, you actually won’t “go away” and move on.

So you lied again when you tried extortion.
Bruh, you're trying to make it so that you can give me $20 and make it so that I can't do anything about it.

And what is this BS? "It's been 2 years, nobody got the book, and I havent paid the writer, but trust me."

Why should anyone trust you? When you're this late you better give us all the details.
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Does Jon Del Arroz not count as a fabled "OGCG" alumni? Because he's saying that making videos detailing the problems/fixing Batman or Spider-Man is a lost cause at this point and amounts to the deluded cope of untalented gammas. SWC have also been very critical about the real point of continuuing to pay people who hate you for the privilege of criticize "capeshit", even going so far as to say Ya Boi Zack paying for Mark Waid's comics at this point amounts to financial cuckoldry. To quote Frog: "Marvel and DC listened to what you had to say. Loud and clear. And then they changed nothing."



I made this helpful graph to explain what went down.
In this case, JDA caught wind that Douglas Ernst was spreading dirt around about JDA in DMs and discouraging them from streaming with him.
He took this information to Preston Poulter, who did not feel inclined to take up arms against Ernst. Rinse and repeat with Cummings.

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Thanks. That is one of the most accurate charts ever made :)

I suppose this means that JDA is no longer associated with Comicsgate™ or did Preston's EDS project fall off the map altogether?
 
Meanwhile, "traditional" comics model refuses to die:

It can't as long as Warners and Disney are covering loses and other markets like scholastic allow them to grift.

But they know all of that. Marvel is done for the minute the movies start to tank. Justice league bombing crippled DC comics.

So basically, unless you get an amount that makes you happy, you actually won’t “go away” and move on.

So you lied again when you tried extortion.
Bruh, you're trying to make it so that you can give me $20 and make it so that I can't do anything about it.

And what is this BS? "It's been 2 years, nobody got the book, and I havent paid the writer, but trust me."

Why should anyone trust you? When you're this late you better give us all the details.
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Both of you need to just fuck off.

Nassar, you decided to stand on your principles. Great. But nearly every principled artist has a list of people who got screwed over. Take the lesson and don't let it happen again. Donal, when you try to pay someone to fuck off, you actually need to, y'know, pay them enough for them to feel vindication. I know it hurts but God damn son. Fighting in circles with nothing new just makes you both look like petty shits.

Lesson. Learned.

I will never support another project Donal is a part of. I'm even considering refunding Cash Grab because of Donal's involvement and I've got quite a bit in it.

You shouldn't accept a random amount without seeing the accounting.

The fact you funded it in the first place...

Personally I think Ethan has made a lot of good moves lately, sure I used to bust his chops several months ago, but I never had a hate boner for the guy.

He finally ditched Warcampaign after people were telling him for nearly two years to do so, now those guys are basically irrelevant because they bit the hand that fed them. You never hear of internal drama in CG anymore because those guys are gone, which might bring back old Comicsgate customers who left because of them.

He advised Liam against flagging SWC, despite SWC being critics of both him and Liam.

Although he disagrees with the amount Donal should pay Nasser, he does agree that Nasser should be paid.

He called out Mitch Breitweiser for how late Red Rooster is and that he should get the book done and into the hands of his customers.

Then there's the added value to backers he's offering with increased page counts, bonus comics and a free toy on Rekt Planet and the absolute bargain of the Warts and All campaign.

Objectively speaking Ethan has made a lot of good decisions lately and it's hard to find things to criticize him for, but maybe that's just me.

EDIT: Oh and he brought in more pro's like Shane Davis, Graham Nolan and Kenneth Rocafort which fill the void of Mike S Miller, Mitch Breitweiser and Doug TenNapel leaving.
I definitely agree. And in Mitch's case Graham, Keneth, and Shane are bigger gets. Arguable with Doug and definitely now with Miller since he, of his own volition, lowered his relevance through self stupidity.

People forget what a big deal the injustice digital comics were. They sold extremely well, my theory was they gave people the relationship filling that they weren't getting from Nu52. I'm not a fan of them. But that was Miller's big break after getting screwed in the '00s, something he still has a chip over.
The inner circle is changing a lot recently. I don't want to answer for objectively terrible comics and I don't want to answer for inexcusable business practices from creators I promote.

Pay the people you're supposed to pay, whether you like them or not, or be honest about why you can't. People will work with you if you're upfront about cashflow issues.

Prolonged jackass behavior about this isn't going to be tolerated by other creators or customers, especially not while more and more mainstream creators are joining us, and will happily take your seat at the table. It reflects poorly on everyone.

It's cold out there. Do the right thing.

Definitely. Kudos on that and on the Wengar stream.


Friendly tip to @FROG and the other CGers that stalk this thread, latest Robservations featured Rob heaping praise on a litany of CG creators such as Art Thibert, Dan Fraga, and others. He praises them for their work for him then gushes about their work in movies in animation today. Doesn't bring up their crowdfunding successes, making it sound like they're done with comics altogether. This wouldn't stand out except Rob starts with Marat Mychels and praises him for his crowdfunding success. He also trashes the mainstream.
 
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I suppose this means that JDA is no longer associated with Comicsgate™ or did Preston's EDS project fall off the map altogether?

While JDA was the first person to publish under the Comicsgate™ banner with Robotoad: Rekt Planet (with protagonists named 'Preston' and 'Vikki' no less), it's safe to say that love affair is over. Preston is still contesting to see who is worthy of being the legal owner of Comicsgate in a three-way battle against other contenders like Cridious and Dark Gift Comics, but overall things are as Smug Frieza says in reply to SargonF00t in the previous page.

Preston is still nominally active, contesting the Comicsgate trademark, making comics, and retained most of the non-CG comic creator contacts after the multiple insurrections and coup attempts that went down within "Anti-CG", but I'd say most of that intangible energy has passed on to groups like SWC, Vikki/DA Talks and others who are pulling all the drama and attention with shitfests with Liam Gray (who very publicly flagged their youtube channel to oblivion), the Ribbitcoin debacle, callouts, exposes and an overall willingness to engage aggressively with CG in general instead of shrink away and provide a "respectable alternative" to Frog's misrule as Preston is (now) attempting.

Here are two samples I find are good representations.

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There must have been some accident with Matt Wenger's video denouncing Comicsgate gatekeepers like Frog. Thankfully, I went ahead and downloaded a copy just in case something unexpected like this happened. Equally unexpected, Wenger has announced that he is refunding his backers for DRAGOON KNIGHT ALDRAKE.


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Without getting into overdetail, this was the right move - at raising 5000 USD for 144 pages, that would have worked out to something like $34 per page gross. Without Frog to give Matt Wenger the breath of life, his comics would actually lose money to produce, which is a very unfair position to put anyone in. Still, reactions to this were mixed.


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Comicsgate Critic @VIkkiVerse points out that if $5000 wasn't enough to produce the comic, why did he set the IGG goal for $500? Vikki says that the absurdly low IGG goal was an attempt to game the algorithm that determines the prominence of the campaign on IndieGoGo's browsing platform. Meanwhile the commentariat is grimly appreciative that Wenger didn't just keep the money when he concluded that fulfilling the campaign was impossible, damning praise for the current regard held for Comicsgate business products if ever there was one.


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WCer "WordNerd" along with Pan (with new account) says that, even though Wenger also blocked him, this supports his convinctions that Cecil and Comicsgate are actively gatekeeping guys like himself and Wenger because of envy and perception of a threat.





However this sympathy towards Wenger's plight was clearly not shared by all members of Warcampaign, as articulated by Ro Kabir.
 
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I will never support another project Donal is a part of. I'm even considering refunding Cash Grab because of Donal's involvement and I've got quite a bit in it.

You shouldn't accept a random amount without seeing the accounting.
If Donal is work-for-hire, then that's just hurting Cecil who could get another artist if Donal continues his bad behavior.
 
If Donal is work-for-hire, then that's just hurting Cecil who could get another artist if Donal continues his bad behavior.

Wenger and Donal might be in the same boat right now.

Wenger and I worked this out in the private ComicsGate Twitter DM room. He let me know that his feelings were hurt that he had to pressure me for three hours to promote his comic, and then I finally "humiliated" him by only allowing him 50 seconds to stump for it, while I shut my camera off.

I explained to him that I no longer promote comics that I wouldn't personally buy. That I end up answering for undelivered product or poor product that I promoted, so I'm much more careful now.

He responded that this didn't apply to him, because he delivered his last comic.

That's when I had to tell him his new comic looked like shit and didn't stand shoulder to shoulder with the comics I'm actively promoting right now.

At that point, he told us he was in financial trouble because he paid out a lot of money on art in advance, anticipating another large sum like his prior comic, and he had just lashed out at me because of his problems. We told him there was no shame in refunding a failed project and trying again with something better. He informed us he could borrow the money to refund the book, and that's what he did.


I am concerned that Donal is in similar trouble and doesn't want to admit it. I could be concerned for nothing. Only Donal can resolve this.
 
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@Wenger just needs to get himself some kind of 'legit retard' certificate. If he had official paperwork to endorse the legitimacy of his retardation, everybody would be rushing to sympathy-fund his comic and tell him how good he is, and nobody would dare tell him he's shit. He's fallen into that no man's land between the able-minded and the mentally disabled - things would be better for him if he went among the latter perhaps, instead of trying to stand shoulder to shoulder with the former.
 
If Donal is work-for-hire, then that's just hurting Cecil who could get another artist if Donal continues his bad behavior.
Sorry, I won't ever knowingly put one nickel in someone like that's pocket. This was his choice.

Frog:
"I am concerned that Donal is in similar trouble and doesn't want to admit it. I could be concerned for nothing. Only Donal can resolve this."

Of course the money has been spent. No accounting will be forthcoming. And he just went on a 10-day vacation.


P.S. Who the fuck though thought this new comment editor was a good idea? Is everyone just supposed to intuitively divine how to do multiple quotes in a single post by magic? But it's got pretty graphical icons! Eat shit.
 
Wenger and Donal might be in the same boat right now.

Wenger and I worked this out in the private ComicsGate Twitter DM room. He let me know that his feelings were hurt that he had to pressure me for three hours to promote his comic, and then I finally "humiliated" him by only allowing him 50 seconds to stump for it, while I shut my camera off.

I explained to him that I no longer promote comics that I wouldn't personally buy. That I end up answering for undelivered product or poor product that I promoted, so I'm much more careful now.

He responded that this didn't apply to him, because he delivered his last comic.

That's when I had to tell him his new comic looked like shit and didn't stand shoulder to shoulder with the comics I'm actively promoting right now.

At that point, he told us he was in financial trouble because he paid out a lot of money on art in advance, anticipating another large sum like his prior comic, and he had just lashed out at me because of his problems. We told him there was no shame in refunding a failed project and trying again with something better. He informed us he could borrow the money to refund the book, and that's what he did.


I am concerned that Donal is in similar trouble and doesn't want to admit it. I could be concerned for nothing. Only Donal can resolve this.
I give some props to Wenger for refunding his backers but this situation was entirely his fault for setting the crowdfunding goal lower than the cost of the comic and hoping EVS would be his personal spokesman to get the paypigs to fund it big.

Wengers business acumen is shit. Having to take out a loan to refund backers puts him in a terrible financial spot when he could have avoided all of this by being honest about the projects expenses instead of trying to game the algorithm to get 5000% funded. CGers appear to be burning out on $25 books that never get delivered. It's a shame Wenger paid anything for the awful art in that Aldrake book and ran out of zip lock bags for shipping.

When this shitfest first started I wanted to give Donal the benefit of the doubt and thought maybe he actually needed to finish accounting before paying Nasser. I thought at first Nasser was just being an impatient autist and sperging at a guy who was actually a stand up businessman.

Boy was I wrong.

Donal is a turbofaggot who lies, cheats, and steals. Cecil made a mistake hiring a comics lolcow to draw his book and must be sweating bullets at this point. I searched twitter for all @ mentions to Donal and any mentions of Brutas and discovered no one has received their books despite having been shipped two weeks ago according to DD. The post office isn't that fucking slow. Not only is Donal retarded enough to lie to kiwi farms, he lied to Nasser, he lied to EVS, and he lied to his customers.
Donal clearly does not have his shit together and instead of taking a break from dicking off to focus on his financial and professional obligations he takes a ten day vacation and spergs on twitter.
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What kind of fag talks about blowing out their asshole to thousands of twitter followers? Is this the "professionalism" that he lectured Nasser about?
No one needs to know Donal sharts his pants and fills his commode with eldrich horrors.
 
When this shitfest first started I wanted to give Donal the benefit of the doubt and thought maybe he actually needed to finish accounting before paying Nasser. I thought at first Nasser was just being an impatient autist and sperging at a guy who was actually a stand up businessman.

Boy was I wrong.

Donal is a turbofaggot who lies, cheats, and steals. Cecil made a mistake hiring a comics lolcow to draw his book and must be sweating bullets at this point. I searched twitter for all @ mentions to Donal and any mentions of Brutas and discovered no one has received their books despite having been shipped two weeks ago according to DD. The post office isn't that fucking slow. Not only is Donal retarded enough to lie to kiwi farms, he lied to Nasser, he lied to EVS, and he lied to his customers.
Donal clearly does not have his shit together and instead of taking a break from dicking off to focus on his financial and professional obligations he takes a ten day vacation and spergs on twitter.
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What kind of fag talks about blowing out their asshole to thousands of twitter followers? Is this the "professionalism" that he lectured Nasser about?
No one needs to know Donal sharts his pants and fills his commode with eldrich horrors.
Donals update saying he fucked up but not saying how tells me it's going to cost him even more to re-ship all those books. How will that be accounted for? Does that come out of Nasser's half too? How many screw-ups is that now and how much has it cost Nasser? Can Nasser even complain about that since he walked away and left the fulfillment part to a clinical retard?
 
Donals update saying he fucked up but not saying how tells me it's going to cost him even more to re-ship all those books. How will that be accounted for? Does that come out of Nasser's half too? How many screw-ups is that now and how much has it cost Nasser? Can Nasser even complain about that since he walked away and left the fulfillment part to a clinical retard?
Fulfillment was always his responsibility, not mine. I offered to run future campaigns, but he wanted to fulfill this one himself. That's why it was launched from his indiegogo account, and why he had all the money in the first place.
 
I wouldn't be shocked if he is so spiteful and stupid he's trying to completely bankrupt himself so he can say "Nope. These 50 cents are all you can get dude".

But then that's because he was retarded enough to lie about how he totally shipped.
 
Of course the money has been spent. No accounting will be forthcoming. And he just went on a 10-day vacation.
Please tell me you brilliant logicians don’t have jobs in education. According to you economic geniuses my family of 4 have lived the last 2yrs on $35k.
 
HAHAHA - I barely acknowledge his existence while Nasser obsesses over me more than you shut-ins obsess over Ethan.
You say "shut ins" as if we are the ones with an obese near diabetic body, cumstained cuckface, and complete and utter embarrassment of the internet community we are a part of...

Seethe harder.
 
Please tell me you brilliant logicians don’t have jobs in education. According to you economic geniuses my family of 4 have lived the last 2yrs on $35k.
Are you including your wife's boyfriend?

HAHAHA - I barely acknowledge his existence while Nasser obsesses over me more than you shut-ins obsess over Ethan.
I'm sure you'd be perfectly fine with someone stiffing you several thousand dollars. You'd just walk away and wouldn't pursue it.
 
Refunding a failed campaign isn't a death sentence. Mike S. Miller (Bless This Mess) and Antonio Brice (Brand #2) both had failed crowdfunds recently, but are on track thanks to celebrity co-collaboration to do possibly their biggest campaigns yet. People are generally quick to forgive mistakes if they're not out any money - just look at Ribbitcoin. Failure to fulfill a campaign once funds have been received is a whole other ballgame,

Wenger's real problem is that the competition in crowdfunding comics is steadily growing and, as I wrote about two months ago when BOOM Studios announced they were stepping into the Kickstarter game, the days of amateur efforts getting big payouts in CG is coming to an end, in the same way that just getting out a phone and recording yourself complaining at the latest issue of Iron Man no longer assures you a position as a Comicsgate leader and left many "OGCG" figures in the dust. The post-Fall of Rome era, where Comicsgate had about three creators total (Frog, Malin and Thibert) capable of putting out a professional quality comic, was an environment where someone like Wenger, a guy who bought a $50 webcam so he can stream himself in a dingy t-shirt talking over YT compilations towards the ends of making a comic book about cum, or made by someone without the ability to draw, and expect Frog to do the rest needed into making this a lucrative career, is slowly receding into the distance.

More people like Billy Tucci, Dan Fraga, Shane Davis, and now Bill Willingham and Trent Maniuega - people who bring much needed professional credibility as well as fans, and who are capable of producing a respectable comic and at least possibly building their own platforms are jockeying for the opportunity that was once given to the likes of Adam Post or Matt Wenger. And that's just internal pressure.


Last night at around 37 minutes in an otherwise languid Frog snorestream, peaceably a-logging Ray Fisher and basking in ambient MAGA, an autistically exhilarated Ya Boi Zack kicked in the door with some hot news about Kickstarter and the previously mentioned BRZRKR, which he is personally stoked to be getting. It turns out BOOM Studios, in order to take some of the pressure off from woke comics twitter griping about stepping into crowdfunding, pledged $100 to a hundred KS comic campaigns, a move which Zack considers acquiescing to extortion and in effect a "woke tax". Frog's chat, however, was conditioned to boycott Kickstarter long ago and by and large are not inclined to care about the intricacies of publishers and platforms they were long ago convinced were irredeemably soy, cucked and corrupt.

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(realtime reaction to the Kickstarter BOOMbux scandal)

Still, there were some real takeaways - while Comicsgate was an early adopter of the crowdfunding model (out of necessity), the comic book industry at large is slowly taking notice (with a Heidi MacDonald article at thebeat.com) and adapting to the changing landscape. Camilla Zhong is rumored to be slowly ushered back in to resume her function as a faciliator of (approved) campaigns at Kickstarter now that the KS union has been busted.

Established, credible creators like Sean Gordon Murphy and Scott Snyder are being brought into comics crowdfunding, with the direct assistance of a powerful corporation with deep pockets like kickstarter. And they're starting to dabble in youtube themselves, with Zhong and Scott Snyder now doing (for now) shit comic youtube tours in the Comicsgate style. These channels and platforms are shit now, but there's no reason to presume that it's always going to be this way for the foreseeable future.
 
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