Disaster Three dead in knife attack in Nice, France - The religion of peace strikes again

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"We are once again victims of Islamo-fascism", declares the mayor of Nice​


Today, we are paying a much too heavy price by being once again victims of Islamo-fascism (...) There is no doubt, (...) he has not stopped to repeat 'Allah akbar', ”Christian Estrosi told the press.

According to the mayor, a woman has had her throat cut. The perpetrator was seriously injured and evacuated to Pasteur hospital. pic.twitter.com/NoR1s4lxoJ
- Célia Malleck (@celia_malleck) October 29, 2020
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The CFCM "condemns the terrorist attack" and calls on Muslims, as a sign of mourning, to cancel the Mawlid festivities​


I strongly condemn the terrorist attack which took place near the Notre-Dame basilica in Nice. As a sign of mourning and solidarity with the victims and their loved ones, I call on the Muslims of France to cancel all the festivities of the feast of Mawlid ”, commemoration of the birth of the Prophet Muhammad, reacted Thursday morning on Twitter the French Council of Muslim worship (CFCM).

I strongly condemn the terrorist attack that occurred near the Notre-Dame basilica in Nice. As a sign of mourning and solidarity with the victims and their loved ones, I call on the Muslims of France to cancel all the festivities of the Mawlid feast.
— CFCM (@CfcmOfficiel) October 29, 2020
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Christian Estrosi arrived at the scene of the attack​


" My first words are words of compassion towards the relatives and families of the victims, as well as for all those of the parish community of Notre-Dame basilica in Nice, " the mayor of the city told the press. . He also addressed " all the people of Nice who are under the influence of emotion ", and paid " tribute to the forces of order ".
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Police evacuate the area​


While journalists on the spot indicate that the police are evacuating the area, a hundred people are gathered in front of the security perimeter established by the police, in the heart of the city.


Firefighters on alert avenue Notre-Dame. At the end, the church # nice06 #AttentaNice pic.twitter.com/5whIKn4t4n
- Grégory Leclerc (@GregLeclerc) October 29, 2020

A hundred people gathered in front of the security perimeter established by the national police. Lots of questions on the faces. https://t.co/GbZGGQYQu6 pic.twitter.com/vYSKkKWvwJ
- Célia Malleck (@celia_malleck) October 29, 2020
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Three dead including two women​


According to our police sources, the body of one of the two women was found in the church, slaughtered. The second lost her life in the street, stabbed, while trying to take refuge in a nearby cafe. A man, who was stabbed several times, also died of his injuries.
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Emmanuel Macron will go to Nice, according to Christian Estrosi​


In a press statement made near the Notre-Dame basilica, the LR mayor of Nice, Christian Estrosi, indicated that the President of the Republic, Emmannuel Macron, had telephoned him to show him all his support. "He is on his way to get here", continued the elected official.

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Demining operation in progress, "do not panic", urges local police​


"The detonations you hear are those caused by the national police services, do not panic, the situation is under control," urges the local national police on Twitter.

[ # serious event ] The detonations you hear are those caused by the services of @PoliceNationale , Do not panic, the situation is under control - Respect the security perimeter - Do not take the Notre Dame sector @VilledeNice
— Police Nationale 06 (@PoliceNat06) October 29, 2020
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The author of the facts arrested​


The author of the facts was arrested by the police. Gunshot wounds, he was sent to hospital.
The entire Notre Dame district and its surroundings have been cordoned off and a vast police operation is underway. In the streets, the police urge the population to " take shelter ".

8:50 am large deployment of the police at #NotreDame in #Nice . Shots heard. pic.twitter.com/SiuOhAeRG8
- Ivan Blanco (@ivanblancovilar) October 29, 2020
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The national anti-terrorism prosecution seized​


The national anti-terrorism prosecution was seized. According to an unconfirmed police source, one person was killed and another was beheaded.
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The Interior Ministry has opened a crisis unit​


The President of the Republic, Emmanuel Macron, will go to the interministerial crisis unit installed Place Beauvau at 10:30 am, said the Elysee.
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"Thoughts of the relatives of the victims", reacts Nicolas Cadène, general rapporteur of the Observatory of secularism​


" Thoughts of the relatives of the victims of this new knife attack, near the Notre Dame church in Nice ... Thanks to the police for the arrest ", responded Nicolas Cadène, general rapporteur of the Observatory of secularism .

Thoughts of the relatives of the victims of this new knife attack, near the Notre Dame church in Nice ... Thanks to the police for the arrest. https://t.co/EkA7mdx6XV
— Nicolas Cadène (@ncadene) October 29, 2020
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One minute of silence and suspension of sitting in the Assembly​


A minute of silence was observed in the National Assembly, in the presence of the Prime Minister, in tribute to the victims of the Nice attack just after Jean Castex's speech on the reconfinement.
The meeting was then suspended by the President of the Assembly, Richard Ferrand.

»SEE ALSO - stabbing attack in Nice: a minute of silence observed in the National Assembly

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Éric Ciotti: "It looks like a terrorist attack in every way"​


" It is a feeling of immense emotion which embraces me at the moment ", declared on BFMTV the departmental councilor of the Alpes Maritimes. The member will be going there with the minister in a few moments. " We have no information on the framework of this attack, but it seems, according to information from the rescue forces, it looks like a terrorist attack in every way ," said Eric Ciotti.

Eric Ciotti (LR) on the attack in Nice: "It looks like a terrorist attack in every way" pic.twitter.com/C43XF0gzLJ
— BFMTV (@BFMTV) October 29, 2020

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"Everything suggests a terrorist attack", says the mayor of Nice​


The mayor of Nice, Christian Estrosi, visited the scene. " I confirm that everything suggests a terrorist attack in the Notre-Dame basilica ," he said, also on Twitter.

I am there with the @ PoliceNat06 and the @pmdenice which arrested the author of the attack. I confirm that everything suggests a terrorist attack in the Notre-Dame basilica of # Nice06 . pic.twitter.com/VmpDqRwzB1
— Christian Estrosi (@cestrosi) October 29, 2020
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Two dead and several wounded, the perpetrator arrested​


A stabbing attack left two dead, a man and a woman, and several wounded in the area of Notre-Dame basilica, in Nice, avenue Jean Médecin, this Thursday, October 29. The national and municipal police arrested the perpetrator. A demining team went to the scene. The terrorist trail is not excluded.
“After having had Christian Estrosi on the phone, I am chairing a crisis meeting at the Interior Ministry,” Interior Minister Gérald Darmanin said on Twitter.

IMPORTANT #Nice : a police operation is in progress. Avoid the area and follow the instructions. After having had the mayor of Nice @cestrosi , I chair a crisis meeting at the Ministry of the Interior.
— Gérald DARMANIN (@GDarmanin) October 29, 2020

It looks like a muslim stabbed two people and beheaded another inside a French church.

Edit: one had their throat slit, one was beheaded and one was stabbed.
 
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He would be disappointed to discover antisemitism was sorta mainstream at the time, perhaps? There were Jewish comedians who acted out jewish stereotypes as part of their act in the early 20th Century, a couple of them got rather popular doing it. It's not like 'the jews did it' was a spontaneous thing that Hitler came up with.

With regards to Mein Kampf, given its nature as an autobiography, it's best to keep a somewhat skeptical view of what's presented in there and check it out with other historians' work on his early life. Rarely will you find anyone who writes an entirely truthful account of their own lives without skewing it in their favour. Especially if it's an autobiography that's meant to be read by an entire nation.

The details about the leadup to the second world war aren't as intensely covered in education as they could have been. Everyone knows Hitler invaded Poland, less well-known is that a false-flag attack was partly used as the justification. Likewise with Molotov-Ribbentrop; people know it happened and that it makes for a great 'both sidesism argument', but they don't consider the pre-existing conditions that lead to the Nazis cozying up to the Soviets, such as each other's existential fear of the other, both nations' status' as pariah states or even the earlier training agreement the Germans had with the Soviets.

That's just the European theatre. The Pacific War, it can be argued, started with Japan's invasion into Manchuria and subsequently the rest of China. The USS Panay incident, uncannily similar to the Liberty, has even been seen by historians as Japan 'testing' the US' tolerance of Japanese aggression. The fact that the US brushed it off after accepting payment for the sailors' deaths was partly what influenced the decision to strike Pearl Harbour, as it reinforced Japanese planners' impression the US was a 'weak-willed' country, especially during its isolationist phase.
Hey, fair enough that there might not be much to discover there. Perhaps Hitler was the devil incarnate. My point is that you're just not allowed to question things and make up your own mind. I personally haven't made much research into the matter.

I found myself having a spooky thought the other week though, which was precipitated by seeing a certain image depicting a street in Paris in the 1940's juxtaposed with a picture of Paris in 2012 and seeing the contrast of it being mostly filled with immigrants in the latter image. You may have seen it yourself.

The spooky thought that struck me, that has never struck me before in my entire life, was this; perhaps Europe would have been better off if Germany had won the war?

I've previously read accounts of people who were disappointed that Germany lost the war, and I've always considered those people, as if by reflex, to be "the other". The people who ended up on the wrong side of history. People who made a mistake, were arrogant, or were misled.

For the first time, a mere few weeks ago, I started to consider whether Germany losing the war might not have been a bad outcome, for Europe. For the first time, I saw things through their perspective. And I'll admit it frightened me a bit. Because throughout my life I've always been told that Hitler was a bad man, and Germany ought not to have initiated the war.

I'm not saying that it was a righteous war. I'm not saying that Germany had just motives when it started the war. All I'm saying is that I had an experience of questioning whether or not the history I've been told of the war was truthful and instantly realizing that I'm not supposed to be asking myself these questions, that I'm not allowed to ask myself whether or not the war was just, that I'm supposed to know that it was evil.

I know for a fact that the Europe I live in has deteriorated over the past 30 or so years. That Europe in the 80's and 90's was a better place to live in than it is today. What I found myself asking was whether Europe today would be better off or not if Germany had won the war. And then realizing instantly that the question itself is verboten.
 
Muslims are the original incels, because the majority of Muslim men are lucky if they get one wife, because the upper echelon males get multiple wives.



There's rules in Islam which prevent modernization and reformation; the Qu'ran is considered the "perfect word of Allah, as delivered to his most beloved Prophet Muhammed (PBUH),," and is unalterable.
> being an incel because you only have 1 wife instead of 2

imagine

also by this same logic did all Mormons become incels when they outlawed polygamy?
 
You're not even allowed to approach the topic with an attitude of objectivity. Without even suggesting anything positive or relatable about his actions or motives. I personally haven't researched the issue, I just know that even considering the idea that he might have been right about anything is as taboo as questioning religion used to be, or questioning the king used to be and still is in some monarchies.

Without even saying anything positive about him, his motivations or his deeds, the mere fact that I am not supposed to ask questions or find out for myself is deeply concerning. I'm just supposed to take everything I've been told at face value and accept it as irrefutable fact.

But I know how much I've been lied to. By authority figures, by teachers in public school, by state media. I've been lied to about drugs, about wars, about political ideologies and about history.

A friend told me he's been apprehensive to learn more about Hitler and the lead-up to the second world war, because he's concerned about what he may learn. I can empathize with that feeling. What if you come around to sympathize with a view of the world and of history that is completely incompatible with your society, something that can make you lose your job, your home, your family and your friends? Something you need to keep quiet about forever, which would be of no benefit to you if you ever tried to talk about it. It would be like being the only heretic in a deeply religious society. Something you always have to keep secret.
You don't have to be completely quiet about it, there are some people who would be willing to talk about WW2 with you. I suggest PMing @Evo, he's a Nazi and surprisingly cool.

Convert to Islam and you have nothing to fear.
Muslims kill each other all the time lol.
 
Hey, fair enough that there might not be much to discover there. Perhaps Hitler was the devil incarnate. My point is that you're just not allowed to question things and make up your own mind. I personally haven't made much research into the matter.

I found myself having a spooky thought the other week though, which was precipitated by seeing a certain image depicting a street in Paris in the 1940's juxtaposed with a picture of Paris in 2012 and seeing the contrast of it being mostly filled with immigrants in the latter image. You may have seen it yourself.

The spooky thought that struck me, that has never struck me before in my entire life, was this; perhaps Europe would have been better off if Germany had won the war?

I've previously read accounts of people who were disappointed that Germany lost the war, and I've always considered those people, as if by reflex, to be "the other". The people who ended up on the wrong side of history. People who made a mistake, were arrogant, or were misled.

For the first time, a mere few weeks ago, I started to consider whether Germany losing the war might not have been a bad outcome, for Europe. For the first time, I saw things through their perspective. And I'll admit it frightened me a bit. Because throughout my life I've always been told that Hitler was a bad man, and Germany ought not to have initiated the war.

I'm not saying that it was a righteous war. I'm not saying that Germany had just motives when it started the war. All I'm saying is that I had an experience of questioning whether or not the history I've been told of the war was truthful and instantly realizing that I'm not supposed to be asking myself these questions, that I'm not allowed to ask myself whether or not the war was just, that I'm supposed to know that it was evil.

I know for a fact that the Europe I live in has deteriorated over the past 30 or so years. That Europe in the 80's and 90's was a better place to live in than it is today. What I found myself asking was whether Europe today would be better off or not if Germany had won the war. And then realizing instantly that the question itself is verboten.

I know exactly what you're talking about and the chilling truth is this, with the ways things are going things couldn't be any worse in a Nazi controlled Europe.

That's not to say things would be good under the Nazis, just that it would still be better than the alternative things seem to be headed towards because hey, at least Europe would still be European.

In other words Hitler and the Nazis may not have been good, but they simply weren't as bad as we're lead to believe or at least there's even greater evils out there in the world, the fact that people don't realize that, that the Nazis are seen as the gold standard of evil, is why we're in the dangerous situation we're in now where even Nazism is a better alternative.

If it's anything this last decade has taught me it's that the world simply isn't that good of a place, people are simply not that good, the line between good and evil is blurrier than anyone likes to think to the point where one can't help but wonder if good and evil are even valid concepts at all, if instead it all comes down to winners and losers.

You have Group A, you have Group B, only one group can succeed, that's what it all boils down to, good and evil don't really come into play, you have to put that aside to succeed, if you get too hung up on being "good" you'll fail.

As an American what haunts me is the way white America used to treat blacks, this good old fashioned Christian society used to brutalize and massacre blacks like what happened in Tulsa Oklahoma almost 100 years ago, I ask myself the question how these good Christian people could do such things and then I look around at the America of 2020 where blacks are rioting and looting en masse and I go "oh yeah, right"

Like white people back then just instinctively understood, even if they didn't want to admit it, that white America's success could only come at black America's failure, it can't be both ways, Group A and Group B can not both succeed in the same place, that's just how it goes.

And I think this is what "woke" culture realizes too, someone's success can only come at someone else's failure, so their agenda is nothing less than the annihilation of white western society because they understand there can only be 1 winner.

Believe you me, I fucking hate that idea, I wish it could be a world where every group can succeed, but it doesn't seem to work that way, it fucking sucks, it sucks a lot, but we're getting down to brass tacks in the modern world and it seems like it's coming down to one question, it's them or it's us, who do you want to succeed?

But hey, maybe I'm wrong and things aren't really that bleak, the evidence is piling up by the day that says otherwise though...
 
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So... this is a thing. 🤮
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As an American what haunts me is the way white America used to treat blacks, this good old fashioned Christian society used to brutalize and massacre blacks like what happened in Tulsa Oklahoma almost 100 years ago, I ask myself the question how these good Christian people could do such things and then I look around at the America of 2020 where blacks are rioting and looting en masse and I go "oh yeah, right"
I've been watching the riots since the start and I can assure you most of the damage is coming from woke Whites and Jews. The Black community has many problems and there's definitely Black rioters, but it seems pretty rare for riots to have a Black majority.

And I think this is what "woke" culture realizes too, someone's success can only come at someone else's failure, so their agenda is nothing less than the annihilation of white western society because they understand there can only be 1 winner.
Woke people tend to be White or Jewish.

Like white people back then just instinctively understood, even if they didn't want to admit it, that white America's success could only come at black America's failure, it can't be both ways, Group A and Group B can not both succeed in the same place, that's just how it goes.
"Black America" can't succeed as it currently stands, there are too many toxic ideas permeating the culture. It needs change just as much as "White America" does.

I prefer to group people by ideology instead of race. There's plenty of non-Whites who dislike gangbangers and radical muslims as much as you do.
 
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Was it a mistake for France to take in all those harkis after the war, or is that group of kebabs pretty respectful of the secularity of the Republic?
 
You have Group A, you have Group B, only one group can succeed, that's what it all boils down to, good and evil don't really come into play, you have to put that aside to succeed, if you get too hung up on being "good" you'll fail.

As an American what haunts me is the way white America used to treat blacks, this good old fashioned Christian society used to brutalize and massacre blacks like what happened in Tulsa Oklahoma almost 100 years ago, I ask myself the question how these good Christian people could do such things and then I look around at the America of 2020 where blacks are rioting and looting en masse and I go "oh yeah, right"
Something similar happened in Spain during the few years before the civil war. There is a particular politician of the time who coined a phrase that went on and even today people bring it up: There are two Spains and for one to survive, the other must die. This is unironically the mentality of many and i get your idea that for one to succeed, the other must fail. But in many cases people can succeed together towards a common goal that benefits them both. The thing is that today the high amount of tribalism and "X is more important" is creating an enormous amount of division among the masses, preventing any sort of alliance from being formed.

As well, people tend to forget a lot of times that Christians can stand for forgiveness, charity and help those who have it worse, but most people forget that God and Jesus also spoke of the righteous punishment of the wicked and how man shouldn't allow such people to prosper or tarnish anything thei hold dear. After all, those who want forgiveness and make true efforts should be forgiven, but those who don't should be punished.
their civil rights of what? beheading people that made fun of them?
The civil rights of not getting punished for their crimes. It's amazing how far some people these days will go to protect criminals just because they have a certain skin color. What happens with people not wanting bad people to be punished by the law? How the fuck can be people this fucking stupid?
 
Chechnya is Chechnya's fault.
Nah, the Russkis definitely share alot of the blame. Ichkeria turned from a run-of-the-mill shitty prospective independent post-Soviet state into Afghanistan 2.0 in a matter of years, and Russian military hamfistedness played a major part in turning it into the world's premier jihadi breeding ground. There's a good reason Putin wants to stay as hands-off as possible.
 
Nah, the Russkis definitely share alot of the blame. Ichkeria turned from a run-of-the-mill shitty prospective independent post-Soviet state into Afghanistan 2.0 in a matter of years, and Russian military hamfistedness played a major part in turning it into the world's premier jihadi breeding ground. There's a good reason Putin wants to stay as hands-off as possible.

Oh yeah, Putin totally bitched out on this one.
 
I've been watching the riots since the start and I can assure you most of the damage is coming from woke Whites and Jews. The Black community has many problems and there's definitely Black rioters, but it seems pretty rare for riots to have a Black majority.


Woke people tend to be White or Jewish.


"Black America" can't succeed as it currently stands, there are too many toxic ideas permeating the culture. It needs change just as much as "White America" does.

I prefer to group people by ideology instead of race. There's plenty of non-Whites who dislike gangbangers and radical muslims as much as you do.
They're "woke" whites who have been brainwashed into hating themselves and "woke" Jews who hate whites, a hatred of whites and a desire for our annihilation is what this all boils down to.

They're people that understand this is a vicious dog eat dog world and white's success has come on the backs of non-whites, so their answer is to turn the tables on whites because they think that's the only "moral" solution in this brutal world.

I want to believe what I was raised to believe that the 21st century could be different, that we could all get together and sing kumbaya and focus on our shared humanity and live in the Star Trek style utopia and all that jazz but the trouble is we got ahead of ourselves, there's simply isn't enough shit to go around yet, look at the divide between the third world and the first world, maybe optimistically in another century or two's time we could have the technology to have a surplus of supplies to go around, but we don't and we're not going to anytime soon, meanwhile the third world is beating down our door to come and take what we got.

For example food is one of those basics that it all comes down to that we take for granted, I know hunger, I had the misfortunate once of getting caught in a hurricane without having proper supplies and wound up going days without power and days without food, it was Hellish, if any of these cosmopolitan woke faggots knew what it was like to go days without food they'd be a lot less enthusiastic about the idea of open borders and millions of third worlders flooding into their countries, who's going to feed all these people?

It sucks that some people have to live in crushing poverty and with hunger, but there ain't enough food to go around, that's all there is to it, self preservation is part of human nature, selflessness to the point of suicide is insane.

There is a school of thought that has taken hold in modern society that because we have this divide between the third world and the first world and because that isn't "fair" the only moral solution is for the first world to destroy itself so the entire world will be third world and that will at least be more "fair"

The arguments these days is over drawings of Mohammed and bullshit like that but one of these days push is going to come to shove and instead it's going to be who has food to eat and who doesn't, that's when shit's going to get real violent and it ain't gonna be funny.

Something similar happened in Spain during the few years before the civil war. There is a particular politician of the time who coined a phrase that went on and even today people bring it up: There are two Spains and for one to survive, the other must die. This is unironically the mentality of many and i get your idea that for one to succeed, the other must fail. But in many cases people can succeed together towards a common goal that benefits them both. The thing is that today the high amount of tribalism and "X is more important" is creating an enormous amount of division among the masses, preventing any sort of alliance from being formed.

As well, people tend to forget a lot of times that Christians can stand for forgiveness, charity and help those who have it worse, but most people forget that God and Jesus also spoke of the righteous punishment of the wicked and how man shouldn't allow such people to prosper or tarnish anything thei hold dear. After all, those who want forgiveness and make true efforts should be forgiven, but those who don't should be punished.

The civil rights of not getting punished for their crimes. It's amazing how far some people these days will go to protect criminals just because they have a certain skin color. What happens with people not wanting bad people to be punished by the law? How the fuck can be people this fucking stupid?
I could be wrong and I question this because it is like the Marxist view of "the oppressor vs the oppressed" and I don't want to believe that's true.

It's a cynical view of the world, but maybe it is right after all? Maybe the SJWs are actually right after all, they're just wrong about what to do about it, this is what being "woke" means, waking up to the fact that this is an unequal world, this isn't the 1990s style belief about the inherent equality of humanity, this is the realization that's it's an unequal dog eat dog world and that whites really are the best, we are the superiors, but in the eyes of SJWs we have to willingly give up that superiority, that's the only "moral" option.

I don't want to believe that, but precious few are not believing it these days, a belief in the superiority of white people seem to be the one thing both SJWs and the Alt Right can both agree on, it's just a question of what to do about it, the idea of people actually being equal seems to be passé.

I fucking hate the fact that society is boiling down to one great big game of King of The Hill for who gets to be King Shit of Fuck Mountain, but I'm not in control of it and if that's how it goes well, I'm going to be a team player, I could never hate myself or my people no matter what, that's what it all boils down to.
 
CAGE is run by an ex-guantanamo bay prisoner Moazam Begg. Unsurprisingly there's a lot of controversies in their history.




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Hey, fair enough that there might not be much to discover there. Perhaps Hitler was the devil incarnate. My point is that you're just not allowed to question things and make up your own mind. I personally haven't made much research into the matter.

I found myself having a spooky thought the other week though, which was precipitated by seeing a certain image depicting a street in Paris in the 1940's juxtaposed with a picture of Paris in 2012 and seeing the contrast of it being mostly filled with immigrants in the latter image. You may have seen it yourself.

The spooky thought that struck me, that has never struck me before in my entire life, was this; perhaps Europe would have been better off if Germany had won the war?

I've previously read accounts of people who were disappointed that Germany lost the war, and I've always considered those people, as if by reflex, to be "the other". The people who ended up on the wrong side of history. People who made a mistake, were arrogant, or were misled.

For the first time, a mere few weeks ago, I started to consider whether Germany losing the war might not have been a bad outcome, for Europe. For the first time, I saw things through their perspective. And I'll admit it frightened me a bit. Because throughout my life I've always been told that Hitler was a bad man, and Germany ought not to have initiated the war.

I'm not saying that it was a righteous war. I'm not saying that Germany had just motives when it started the war. All I'm saying is that I had an experience of questioning whether or not the history I've been told of the war was truthful and instantly realizing that I'm not supposed to be asking myself these questions, that I'm not allowed to ask myself whether or not the war was just, that I'm supposed to know that it was evil.

I know for a fact that the Europe I live in has deteriorated over the past 30 or so years. That Europe in the 80's and 90's was a better place to live in than it is today. What I found myself asking was whether Europe today would be better off or not if Germany had won the war. And then realizing instantly that the question itself is verboten.
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Even the soldiers who fought in the war probably have regrets by and large, there was this very interesting story in the Daily Mail about a guy who sent out adverts asking for WW2 veterans' opinions on various issues including the killer question 'Are you happy with how your country has turned out? What do you think your fallen comrades would have made of life in 21st-century Britain?'

'This isn't the Britain we fought for,' say the 'unknown warriors' of WWII



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Was it a mistake for France to take in all those harkis after the war, or is that group of kebabs pretty respectful of the secularity of the Republic?

Can I start by saying that it is complicated? First, I have to say that it is hard distinguish the harkis ( Algerians soldiers who fought with France against the Algerian nationalists during the Algeria War ) from others muslims with an Arab ancestry, due to the difficulty of recognizing them among the muslims. ( Ethnical statistics are forbidden in France)
So, as far as I know ( Haven't studied the question much, my apologies ), what I am going to say here can cover all French muslims, including the harkis.

The harkis themselves, loyal to a fault, came to France without much to their names, and their history buried by France's collapsing colonial empire. I haven't read much on the subject, but what I know seems to indicate that they were assimilated, as much as they managed to. It was extremely tough, though. But they integrated themselves in the wider French society, and you can see from time to time, descendants of these people who did well for themselves. Some, at least. ( Jean-Luc Mélenchon, the Far-left political leader and representative in Parliament, is a descendant from one of them )

However, many of their children and grandchildren had a complicated time, I'll say. Some integrated themselves, but others didn't. Those who didn't feel no real sense of belonging there, and spent their time trying to learn Arabic, as they heard their grandparents speak it, but they themselves could not learn to speak it. ( Arabic is at best taught in High School, or in Universities.)
Add to that the idea that their economical situation made it hard for them to build their mosques, and you get a population descending from them that has not fully acquired a new culture, still knows parts of the past culture and don't really have an attachment to both. Perfect endoctrination material, especially given that they lived in the suburbs ( Reminder: "Suburbs" in France, and in Europe, means cheap residential neighborhoods meant to gather as much people as could be done, which is the main way of housing people since WW2), which means that finding a job became harder during the Mitterand years.

Fast-forward to the Eighties.
Enter foreign imams, mainly from Morocco, Algeria, Turkey and so on. Also enter foreign funds which builds mosques, creates associations and groups of interests. Now remember that it is the era where Salafism was going back into fashion, and consider that the said foreign imams brought that ideology or parts of it with them.

And we get to 1989, in the town of Creil, and more accurately, its high school ( Which was a tough assignement for a teacher at the time ). One day, three girls came with their veils on, which meant that they were breaking the law of secularism ( You don't get to bring religious symbols in a public school ). The headmaster, which was a hardass on his own right, raised hell and demanded that they took it off. The three girls refused. Soon, it was a national controversy. In the end, the girls relented...and took off their veils..Following a declaration made by the king of Morocco.
And that is the root of all of France's trouble today. French Islam developped itself with the ideology of foreign imams: therefore foreign ideals, of a harsher islam, of a political islam came to be. And therefore we had a slow and steady growth of an Islam that defies the Republic, see no reaction, and therefore defy harder, in the name of ideals that weren't there at first but came later.
The internet brought more extreme preaches to the fingertips of the youths, and things got worse when they began to leave for ISIS.

So, I answered the latter half of your question. The elderly, the original harkis, did respect the secularism of France. But some of their children felt no attachement and foreign powers moved in to bring preaches and funds mosques.
As for the first half, I have two answers to give. First one will be mine, as I believe that France could not abandon the harkis in Algeria, where it was a certainty that they would be slaughtered in the newly found republic. So bringing them back was a necessity due to honor.
As for the second one, I will quote the man, Charles de Gaulle himself on the matter. ( He said that in 1959, when De Gaulle had to organize the withdrawal of France from current day Algeria )
The Muslims, did you go and see them ? Did you observe them, wearing their turbans and their djellabas, you can clearly see that they not Frenchmen ! Those who profess the idea of integration are birdbrains, even though they are very smart. Try to mix oil and vinegar. Shake the bottle. Some time later, they separate themselves again. Arabs are Arabs, Frenchmen are Frenchmen. Do you believe that the French population can absorb 10 million of Muslims, which tomorrow will be 20, and the next day 40 ? If we integrate, if all Arabs and Berbers of Algeria were considered to be French, how would we prevent them to come and settle in Continental France, when the living standard is so much higher ? My village would not call itself Colombey-les-Deux-Eglises ( Colombey of the Two Churches) but Colombey-les-Deux-Mosquées ( Colombey of the Two Mosques) !
Without claiming to interpret the complicated mind of De Gaulle, I would say that he was very careful not to agree to allow Muslims in France, if he had a choice.
That's all that I know.

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Even the soldiers who fought in the war probably have regrets by and large, there was this very interesting story in the Daily Mail about a guy who sent out adverts asking for WW2 veterans' opinions on various issues including the killer question 'Are you happy with how your country has turned out? What do you think your fallen comrades would have made of life in 21st-century Britain?'

'This isn't the Britain we fought for,' say the 'unknown warriors' of WWII



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This is stupid in another level entirely. Not only because the changes in Europe after WWII have come about because of political actors that didn't even exist back then, but also because in WWII Britain, just like every other country that was fighting against the Axis faced an enemy that was really hell-bent on destroying, not just conquering, all who stood on their path. Had the Germans won, there wouldn't be Russians, there would not be Englishmen and there wouldn't be Americans - there would only be Germans. Considering the ultra-racist stance of the NSDAP, it's possible that even those who fought alongside Germans willingly would've been purged to make room for the master race.
 
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