Serious Fascism discussion - LITERALLY HITLER!!

[Zelmek]

Fascism is what ya get when you combine nationalism with authoritarianism. Neither without the other is fascism. The American right-wing aren't fascists because while they are patriotic nationalists, they are anti-authoritarian with their small government don't-tread-on-me positions. On the inverse, the left-wing aren't fascists because even though they are authoritarians, their progressivism prevents them from being nationalists due to their constant rebel-against-the-norm positions. If anything, their code of political correctness is closer to a theocracy as they keep turning more and more into the boogeyman they paint their opponents to be.

 

[CreamyHerman’s]

So I have decided to read into the ideas of Fascism, and ultimately I don’t think it’s a right-leaning ideology. For example: Mussolini

• Was an editor for the Avanti, which is/was a socialist paper in Italy.
• Left the Avanti due to how Mussolini was a ‘national socialist’(haha), and those at the Avanti were more or less Leninist-Marxist.
• Believed that socialism should be conducted with Trade-Unionists running the state.

Now you can make the argument that nationalism is a right leaning concept, but I disagree. You can be liberal and still love the country, you will only criticize people you don’t like though and that’s fine. But let’s be honest here, the USSR was just as expansionist and/or imperialist. The only difference is that they were doing it under the guise of ‘liberating the people from the Tyranny of democracy.’

 

[Linako 2.0]

as I wait for my Books, I managed to get my hands on the "Argumentos de la Nueva España" in Spanish and decided to read it since it's a short pamphlet.
and from what I could understand, it's pretty much the collective working for the better of the state so the state can elevate the collective; so it doesn't matter who you are, if you work hard and show potential, the state will help you with education and find yourself a job that can maintain yourself/
those who dare subvert the state will be met with impunity, so marxist gang, capitalist gang amd Ursury&Speculator gang can fuck off
Nothing I can say I really disagree with, but I'll need to read more of their criticisms on capitalism.

 

[Samson Pumpkin Jr.]

So I have decided to read into the ideas of Fascism, and ultimately I don’t think it’s a right-leaning ideology. For example: Mussolini

• Was an editor for the Avanti, which is/was a socialist paper in Italy.
• Left the Avanti due to how Mussolini was a ‘national socialist’(haha), and those at the Avanti were more or less Leninist-Marxist.
• Believed that socialism should be conducted with Trade-Unionists running the state.

Now you can make the argument that nationalism is a right leaning concept, but I disagree. You can be liberal and still love the country, you will only criticize people you don’t like though and that’s fine. But let’s be honest here, the USSR was just as expansionist and/or imperialist. The only difference is that they were doing it under the guise of ‘liberating the people from the Tyranny of democracy.’

Yeah, Mussolini was a socialist and the became a fascist. He spent a long time in exile in Switzerland because Italy didn't like him. We know that fascism and communism are two distinct things. eventually Mussolini repudiated socialism

If Greece turned communist Germany would beat Greece up and force them to return to their current state. This was the same thing with Italy (sort of), Italy wanted land in Dalmatia after WW1, and Mussolini supported that, but after realizing that socialism couldn't achieve Italy's goals he became fascist. Socialism was supposed to be peaceful, but the great powers wouldn't let Italy peacefully transition into socialism

 

[CreamyHerman’s]

Yeah, Mussolini was a socialist and the became a fascist. He spent a long time in exile in Switzerland because Italy didn't like him. We know that fascism and communism are two distinct things. eventually Mussolini repudiated socialism

If Greece turned communist Germany would beat Greece up and force them to return to their current state. This was the same thing with Italy (sort of), Italy wanted land in Dalmatia after WW1, and Mussolini supported that, but after realizing that socialism couldn't achieve Italy's goals he became fascist. Socialism was supposed to be peaceful, but the great powers wouldn't let Italy peacefully transition into socialism

Well Mussolini was a socialist until his dying breath, as he said in his final editorialin the Avanti. He believed that international Marxism was not the way to go and he believed that if Marxism can be achieved on a national level, he will do that instead. Hence that’s why I believe Fascism is socialism, but true and honest national socialism

 

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[KingCoelacanth]

People who argue like this are the very definition of "useful idiots". But keep on believing your fantasies.

The people running the EU have more contempt and hatred for the ethnic french and english than Hitler did. Replacing the natives in their own countries is being aggressively pursued and celebrated. London and Paris would be far more english and french than today if the Nazis had won.

 

[Johan Schmidt]

People who argue like this are the very definition of "useful idiots". But keep on believing your fantasies.

Do you have any evidence that the British and French would have been subject to mass extermination? We have records of the internment camps within the Vichy regime and the people held there were literally Jews that were then sent east when they could be; gypsies who had the same done to them and members of the French resistance who were not moved east to extermination facilities. The big ones like the Fort of Romainville even divided out French resistance fighters slated for execution and had them killed by firing squad rather than be sent to death camps. Gurs internment camp was opened specifically because the previous one contained 'unsanitary' conditions for the Spanish POW's that they captured. In 42 when the SS were given free reign over the camp mass extermination did begin.

It began by shipping the 5000 jews out, and then they literally left the rest to the French Vichy regime to do as they please; that included German criminals, French dissidents, Communists and Spanish communists. The mass extermination policy was well defined and had specific targets in mind with a specific goal.

It's not a 'fantasy' you're literally just wrong. The mass extermination was carried out under Nazi racial politics and racial 'science' which has clearly defined categories for pretty much every race of European. The ones that were exterminated had been categorized as subhuman as earlier as 1930; most Europeans were not in that category. Lower than Germans the Aryans? Yes. Slated for extermination? No.

Sorry mate, but the Nazis weren't all consuming Tyranids; they were just people with political beliefs; and those beliefs didn't include the mass murder of Europe.

 

[Bum Driller]

The people running the EU have more contempt and hatred for the ethnic french and english than Hitler did. Replacing the natives in their own countries is being aggressively pursued and celebrated. London and Paris would be far more english and french today than if the Nazis had won.

EU is literally led by the Germans. It has been said, quite aptly, that Bismarck and Hitler are toasting in Valhalla as we speak, for Merkel has managed to do with money and diplomacy what neither of them could with guns - to dominate all other countries in Europe and turn them in to vassal states under German rule.

Also, it's simply retarded to think that the leaders of EU would want to "replace the native populations". What they want is to eradicate the cultural and societal differences between these populations, for without it there can be no true European federation in the same sense that you have federation in the USA. Arabs and other immigrants from the South are brought over just to push the European working classes to accept worse working conditions and lower wages, for imperialistically speaking that is currently the greatest weakness the EU has in relation to other superstates.

 

[KingCoelacanth]

EU is literally led by the Germans.

And we're talking about NAZIS, which is a political party, not Germans which is an ethnicity. Hitler would not of liked Merkel and Merkel certainly is not favorable of Hitler.
A modern day Germany where any symbolism of Nazism is the greatest offense is dominating European and undermining native populations. If the people running the EU were actual Nazis, then you might have a point, but they are anti-Nazis.

 

[Bum Driller]

And we're talking about NAZIS, which is a political party, not Germans which is an ethnicity. Hitler would not of liked Merkel and Merkel certainly is not favorable of Hitler.
A modern day Germany where any symbolism of Nazism is the greatest offense is dominating European and undermining native populations. If the people running the EU were actual Nazis, then you might have a point, but they are anti-Nazis.

It's quite irrelevant whether people ruling the EU are "anti-nazis", as they are still Germans pursuing the national, or rather imperialistic interests of Germany.

 

[KingCoelacanth]

It's quite irrelevant whether people ruling the EU are "anti-nazis", as they are still Germans pursuing the national, or rather imperialistic interests of Germany.

You're arguing that Nazi ideology would've led to England and France to longer being English and French. But thats wrong, its the Anti-Nazi ideology thats leading to that.

 

[TheNotoriousN.I.G.]

Why do you retards always make shit about how nazism really wasn't that bad? I swear this happens every damn time.

Because it wasn't that bad.

 

[Bum Driller]

Because it wasn't that bad.

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Because the size of the parades is what determines the greatness of the nation? You are seriously arguing that they were not bad because they had massive propaganda machine? Do you understand how intelligent that sounds?

 

[TheNotoriousN.I.G.]

Because the size of the parades is what determines the greatness of the nation? You are seriously arguing that they were not bad because they had massive propaganda machine? Do you understand how intelligent that sounds?

They instilled a community spirit into people like no other and Hitler was the last European leader who genuinely cared about the people he was leading, which is why the rootless cosmopolitans had to destroy him and all that he had done.

Read Hitler's Revolution by Richard Tedor here.

 

[Bum Driller]

They instilled a community spirit into people like no other and Hitler was the last European leader who genuinely cared about the people he was leading, which is why the rootless cosmopolitans had to destroy him and all that he had done.

Read Hitler's Revolution by Richard Tedor here.

North Korea must be really good place by these standards. Don't you think so?

 

[Ira the Weatherman]

Good thing he was wearing his mask like the sign says

Check the shoes, it's a her. Probably that 70 year old woman.

Most ethnic French hardly noticed that they were occupied besides some flags here and there. Hitler's treatment of slavs was far different, but people arguing that the French, English, etc. would've suffered under him are believing a fairy tale.

This is laughably false. The very first thing the Germans did was divide the country into three, with strict borders between them: Vichy France, the Occupied Zone and several Reserved Zones. Access into the latter was severely restricted, as they were intended for future German colonization. People that had been living there were rarely allowed to return, and often had their property confiscated.

As part of Pétains deal, the French people were expected to pay for the upkeep of the occupying German forces. The Germans took possession of French production, both industrial and agricultural, and carted much of it back to Germany. Nationwide shortages and strict rationing followed almost immediately, and were exacerbated by the fact that the Germans held all French POWs in perpetuity, often as forced labour, the Germans basically held them at ransom in exchange for civilian forced labour.

Why do you think it took Goebbels until after Stalingrad to ask the Germans: "wollt ihr den totalen Krieg?" Because Germany hadn't been fighting one. Their economy was remarkably unmobilized until then, because it had propped up by plundered resources and labour from the occupied territories.

All of this isn't taking account the obvious purging of political dissidents and undesirables, restriction of civil liberties and indiscriminate anti-partisan measures. You're an absolute fucking mongoloid if you believe the Germans were tossing candy and flowers around Europe. There was a fucking war going on. Military occupation is going to be a net negative for the people experiencing it even in the best of times, and the German one was a particularly brutal and exploitative one at that.

And you stormfags wonder why no one takes you seriously.

 

[TheNotoriousN.I.G.]

North Korea must be really good place by these standards. Don't you think so?

Unlike Soy Korea, North Korea actually has above replacement rate fertility and has a strong martial spirit.

South Korea will no longer even exist in 100 years at this rate while North Korea will, so who is better?

A conversation between a Soy Korea and a Best Korea diplomat

During a 2006 meeting between North and South Korean delegates, the former brought up the topic of South Korea’s so-called race mixing. When a Southern representative (falsely) stated that the amount of mixing amounted no more than a “drop of ink in the Han River,” the reply from the North was blunt: “Not even one drop of ink must be allowed to fall in the Han River”

 

[TheNotoriousN.I.G.]

Check the shoes, it's a her. Probably that 70 year old woman.

This is laughably false. The very first thing the Germans did was divide the country into three, with strict borders between them: Vichy France, the Occupied Zone and several Reserved Zones. Access into the latter was severely restricted, as they were intended for future German colonization. People that had been living there were rarely allowed to return, and often had their property confiscated.

As part of Pétains deal, the French people were expected to pay for the upkeep of the occupying German forces. The Germans took possession of French production, both industrial and agricultural, and carted much of it back to Germany. Nationwide shortages and strict rationing followed almost immediately, and were exacerbated by the fact that the Germans held all French POWs in perpetuity, often as forced labour, the Germans basically held them at ransom in exchange for civilian forced labour.

Why do you think it took Goebbels until after Stalingrad to ask the Germans: "wollt ihr den totalen Krieg?" Because Germany hadn't been fighting one. Their economy was remarkably unmobilized until then, because it had propped up by plundered resources and labour from the occupied territories.

All of this isn't taking account the obvious purging of political dissidents and undesirables, restriction of civil liberties and indiscriminate anti-partisan measures. You're an absolute fucking mongoloid if you believe the Germans were tossing candy and flowers around Europe. There was a fucking war going on. Military occupation is going to be a net negative for the people experiencing it even in the best of times, and the German one was a particularly brutal and exploitative one at that.

And you stormfags wonder why no one takes you seriously.

France, the country where you go to jail for having opinions...

Jean-Marie Le Pen given suspended jail term for saying Nazi occupation of France 'wasn’t particularly inhumane'

What are they trying to hide?

 

[Johan Schmidt]

tbh "they would've only murdered half of everyone" isn't that much better of a sell.

I mean, it wouldn't have been half of everyone, or even a quarter of everyone.

Don't get me wrong; the Nazis would have killed a lot of people. The Soviet Union would have been probably emptied out; the extermination of jews would have been done to completion, the extermination of cripples (mental and physical) would have been completed. That's not even getting into the sterilisation programs of the Mischlinge being expanded to cover more and more mixed groups as time went on. But that wouldn't have really made a dent into the European population West of Germany. I don't really care what happens to Jews. The greatest and most tragic loss would have been in the Nazi's destruction of Poland, Russia and the Slavs in general.

Being under Nazi rule would not have been fun, or good, or profitable by any stretch. They'd have emptied most places of their resources and we'd probably have been unable to rebuild anywhere near as fast as we did in post WW2. But we also likely wouldn't have had the influx of non whites into Britain, the acceptance of homosexuality, trans material, and the general erosion of Britain that is currently going on. It'd be a different kind of shitty existence.

Oh and probably another war would have followed right after when Hitler died and the entire thing collapsed. That would be bad as well.

This, but unironically.

They should also burn the book and make the funny cartoons; but do it as well as removing all non whites from France.