2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

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los pepes said:
That only applies if you are soft and partially purge them, allowing the survivors to reconstitute and infest stronger than ever. It's been the downfall of most rightwing dictatorships. They halfass purge, the country begins to improve, but they get complacent, their merciful nature lets most leftists survive, and they inevitably reinfect the institutions and usually end up seizing more power than they had originally because of their rally cry of victimhood.
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You are correct, but this also applies to left wing dictatorships. When an autocracy is toppled, the country usually flips ideologically. It is for this reason that modern Russia is conservative while Germany is very liberal. It is also for a similar reason that America has become so liberal; In the 1950's, breathing a word supporting Communism would land you in hot water thanks to McCarthyism, though the flip has been slower as there has been no autocracy or violent revolt.
 
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Inventor of the Telephone said:
Kanye/Jeb 2024 intensifies.


That's a sad presentation. They should have covered the front of those tables with banners. Utterly cheap and lazy! How humiliating for Obama.


That what Trumpists get for skipping college and going right to work for Uncle Earl's septic tank detailing shop.


Tell Trump I said 'hi'.


Isn't the UK going full lockdown soon? I think too many are signed-on for them to give up now. They failed to make it stick with Swine Flu, but this time it has gelled well. No way they stand down when they're so close to a total win.
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Like I said, the turbo-woke countries in Northern Europe (Germany, Sweden, UK) plus Canada and Oceania are in this one for the long haul no matter who wins. If Trump wins and keeps America out of the Great Reset, it could help weaken any attempts at it
 
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So Posobiec tweeted out some new Antifa documentary, which has pissed a LOT of the right kind of people off. "How dare you point out our plans at using domestic terrorism ("direct action") to try and blackmail people into voting for Biden!?" type crap.


And it's been nuked from the internet. I mean completely.

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If you go to the page directly, you get:

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Fortunately... Archive everything, right?

 
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Considering how worked up so many people seem to be about Trump though, and the general unrest in the country, I'm surprised there aren't more counter-ralliers or even antifa around Trump events. With how often he and his supporters are called fascists, you'd think that antifa would be more active around his rallies. I remember right after his election, people were showing up to boo him or fly those fat baby balloons mocking him. There hasn't been much of that in a long time.

On a side note, I can't get over how unprofessional Biden's rallies look. Even if they're small, you'd think they'd be official looking, it should even be easier to organize if it's such a tiny area. They look so hastily throw together and sort of depressing. I can't believe this is the campaign of a serious presidential candidate.
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BLM/Antifa do not go near places that put them at an actual, serious risk. They learned this when they became insanely polite the minute they faced armed homeowners associations quietly sitting on their chairs and havng a grill when they came marching up.

If they did go near the rallies they'd be beaten, tied up with duct tape and put on the truckbeds before being handed over to the local authorities. At worst.

You saw what happened when Chief Tub O Lard tried this bullshit at Mount Rushmore, they blocked the road in and out, screamed and made tantrums and were also stopped by state troopers and national park rangers. All it did was dip the crowd numbers because people couldn't go.

The fact you've forgotten this event already tells you all you need to know about how effective that was.

On top of that, a lot of the antifa officer class has been vanned in recent months and weeks on the quiet and put on federal charges as it seems a lot of their most effective agents were Washington/Oregon State based or at least largely present in Portland. Any others will have smartly gone to ground like the rats they are.

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Also, this fucking advert had me legitimately laughing:

 
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Harvey Danger said:
Yes and no. The things traditional morality (western, Judeo-Christian, American, etc) considers a breach, or immoral, usually relate to some character flaw that is dangerous in public office.

Someone who cheats at the monthly poker game with the guys is likely to cheat when he gets put in charge of a trillion dollar budget. Someone who screams at their kids is likely to be bad with managing employees. Someone who avoids hard work and coasts through life is likely to avoid doing the hard work of governing. Someone who abuses animals is likely to discount the human cost of life-and-death decisions.

So for Bill Clinton, the problem wasn't immoral sexual appetites per se. But someone who cheats on his marriage is willing to betray the people closest to him; someone who lies about affairs is willing to, well, lie to you, even when the only thing on the line is his own image. Saying "we want someone who won't lie or have affairs" is shorthand for saying "we want someone who is honest and won't betray us".

It's not a 1-to-1 causal thing, but it's a good heuristic.

No, I don't expect every politician to be perfect, but discounting morality altogether leads to, well, Clinton and Trump. I like a lot of what Trump does, and that's my argument in favor of voting for him. But his morality and his character have reflections in his governing record too.
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This is something like twenty pages back now. But it's also from yesterday so I'm going to reply anyway.

I agree with your general points to a degree but the important issue with the Bill Clinton - Lewinsky impeachment actually isn't his infidelity. Frankly, it's often difficult to judge a marriage from the outside and whilst infidelity is a bad sign who knows what the relationship dynamics of their marriage were or what it's like being married to Satan's Sister Hillary. So that side of things I just ignore and that was more or less my attitude at the time and how the media portrayed it: an issue of Republicans trying to leverage some moral outrage to oust a political opponent. I recall thinking at the time that it didn't matter to the country his sex life. What mattered were economic policies and so forth. Now I'm older I'm somewhat more along your lines but it doesn't matter because the impeachment wasn't really about the infidelity. Bill Clinton was credibly accused of sexual assault against multiple women. Monica wasn't asked about because the American people had some sort of right to recall a president over sex with her or something which is how people remember it. He was asked about it because she was part of the investigation into sexual assault cases. She had given a sworn affidavit that she hadn't had sex with Clinton as part of the investigation into whether he assaulted Paula Jones (he later paid her $850,000 to drop her suit). My view on the whole Monica Lewinsky thing changed markedly when I re-learned about it a couple of decades later without the media narrative applied. I don't know how interesting all this is but it was a big shift for me to learn the whole thing wasn't about Americans getting puritanical about a guy having consensual sex but part of a much bigger, and must nastier web of wrong-doing.


Also, I'm going to take this opportunity to tell a joke that hasn't come up in years. "Mouth organ? That'll be our Monica!"
 
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Rafal Gan Ganowicz said:
The VERY first thing Pres Trump needs to do after his win is set upinternment a la the Brits in Ulster. Lock these scum away.
Midnight raids, landsharks and watercannon, the whole show.
Purge the left.
Hopefully even some version o the FreiKorps or Black and Tans.
Enough is enough.
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The Black and Tans came out, and the IRA made them run like hell away. From the green and lovely lanes of Killashandra.
 
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Bernie has come out, days before an election which the Democrats are supposedly 99.9999999% certain to win to kvetch about how they have become 'a party of coastal elites'.

https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-san...party-has-become-party-coastal-elites-1543532
https://archive.vn/fGAmB

Needless to say the comments are all criticizing him for saying true things at an inconvenient time and demanding the coastal elites crush 'rural fascism'

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As Styx pointed out, Bernie is clearly hedging his bets. He knows if Biden loses he can say 'well I told you he would'. Even though he didn't. Bernie is slippery enough to come out with his concerns about the Democrats, a party he's not a member of (he only joins when he's trying to get a Democrat nomination for POTUS), in the run-up to an election without actually saying he thinks they'll lose. That way win or lose he can still look right. I mean he's not wrong about the Democrats but what a fucking weasel. He's literally doing a 'Excuse me, fellow Democrats, I have some concerns about our party'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECWahCuDYCo
https://archive.vn/wip/APcW3
 
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Harvey Danger said:
Yes and no. The things traditional morality (western, Judeo-Christian, American, etc) considers a breach, or immoral, usually relate to some character flaw that is dangerous in public office.

Someone who cheats at the monthly poker game with the guys is likely to cheat when he gets put in charge of a trillion dollar budget. Someone who screams at their kids is likely to be bad with managing employees. Someone who avoids hard work and coasts through life is likely to avoid doing the hard work of governing. Someone who abuses animals is likely to discount the human cost of life-and-death decisions.

So for Bill Clinton, the problem wasn't immoral sexual appetites per se. But someone who cheats on his marriage is willing to betray the people closest to him; someone who lies about affairs is willing to, well, lie to you, even when the only thing on the line is his own image. Saying "we want someone who won't lie or have affairs" is shorthand for saying "we want someone who is honest and won't betray us".

It's not a 1-to-1 causal thing, but it's a good heuristic.

No, I don't expect every politician to be perfect, but discounting morality altogether leads to, well, Clinton and Trump. I like a lot of what Trump does, and that's my argument in favor of voting for him. But his morality and his character have reflections in his governing record too.
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There's one publication with Christian backgrounds, World, which didn't endorse Trump based on his sticky past and morals. They also complain a lot about how blocking refugees includes blocking the (minority of) Christians in affected areas. Not full/typical Orange Man Bad rhetoric but they show strains of it—doing things like jumping on the anti-QAnon train like the rest of the mass media, and (earlier in the year) couldn't even go all the way in calling out Buttplug as a fraudster using a veneer of Episcopal Christian faith to bring in religious moderates.

It's a bit of a microcosm of how the deadening of the Moral Majority created "Christcucks" and people who can't really deal with the reality of a world with no moral absolutes and less-than-savory groups you have to play ball with.
 
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los pepes said:
That only applies if you are soft and partially purge them, allowing the survivors to reconstitute and infest stronger than ever. It's been the downfall of most rightwing dictatorships. They halfass purge, the country begins to improve, but they get complacent, their merciful nature lets most leftists survive, and they inevitably reinfect the institutions and usually end up seizing more power than they had originally because of their rally cry of victimhood.

Rightwing regimes purge in the low tens of thousands and usually last a decade at most before they are toppled. Leftwing regimes purge in the hundreds of thousands at the absolute low end and go from there. As a result they last decades no matter how inept they universally are at running their countries.
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Suharto and middle eastern conservative regimes like Saudi Arabia and Iran are major exceptions to this, but you're retarded if you want those sorts of governments in the USA. Keep the sixth amendment as it is.
 
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On top of that, a lot of the antifa officer class has been vanned in recent months and weeks on the quiet and put on federal charges as it seems a lot of their most effective agents were Washington/Oregon State based or at least largely present in Portland. Any others will have smartly gone to ground like the rats they are.
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This sounds good- I hope there’s proof that this has been happening.

This is what I hypothesized would solve the Antifa problem for the time being- weakening Antifa from the inside by removing their more experienced and dedicated agents who coordinate the violence. The vast majority of the rest tend to be gutless meat shields.

Of course, it’s still a temporary solution as like rats and roaches, even missing a single one means the problem hasn’t gone away, and the mind virus can continue to propagate. Longer-term solutions to curb this problem are considerably trickier.
 
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