Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[HarblMcDavid]

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/world/europe/italy-coronavirus-cases.html

Thanks to Italy's unique history and its governmental systems, it's one of the few places not desperately hiding these statistics.

So let's use Italy's model to figure out what the fatality rate is here:

Wow, so 99.8% survival rate. Remember that number, that's the Kiwifarms number, 99.8%, nowhere on the planet is it possible for there to be more than 1 in 500 dead as a proportion of the population, assuming every single man, woman and child was infected.

Coronavirus, a marzo 5.900 i morti in Bergamasca: i dati comune per comune - Bergamo News

Gli ultimi dati Istat fotografano un'impennata del 568%, una realtà totalmente diversa da quella dei numeri ufficiali

www.bergamonews.it

Oh. Oh dear. Looks like Kiwifarms is full of fucking retards.


You don't need to be a spaghetto to understand that, 5,900 dead in one area of the state of Lombardy. What's the population of this province? Let's zoom in a little bit...

Province of Bergamo - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Huh.

That can't be right, Kiwifarms told me that 99.8% is the maximum possible fatality rate. How can this region of Italy have had 5900 deaths? That implies that everybody in the entire region, all 1,112,187, had caught the virus several times by May!

How can one region have lost 0.53% of its entire population during the first wave?

Using that fucking Kiwifarms veteran's logic, this implies that not only was the entire population of Bergamo infected, but the entire population of the neighbouring provinces too and they all went to Bergamo to die.

Well it took you 4 pages and a couple thousand words that didn't involve posting numbers to support your position but I'm glad you finally got around to it.

 

[Standardized Profile]

You just said it for me perfectly. Not at peak operational capacity. Do you honestly think society will collapse because it took 3 or 4 hours longer to discharge a cargo? That's probably a big deal in the army, but that's the reason most military cunts can't do normal jobs. Because they are all taught to be such fucking robots that can't think or operate independently, can't improvise, need instructions.

In modern countries, almost every level of military instruction is about making decisions, improvising, adapting, and overcoming obstacles.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/world/europe/italy-coronavirus-cases.html

Thanks to Italy's unique history and its governmental systems, it's one of the few places not desperately hiding these statistics.

So let's use Italy's model to figure out what the fatality rate is here:

Wow, so 99.8% survival rate. Remember that number, that's the Kiwifarms number, 99.8%, nowhere on the planet is it possible for there to be more than 1 in 500 dead as a proportion of the population, assuming every single man, woman and child was infected.

Coronavirus, a marzo 5.900 i morti in Bergamasca: i dati comune per comune - Bergamo News

Gli ultimi dati Istat fotografano un'impennata del 568%, una realtà totalmente diversa da quella dei numeri ufficiali

www.bergamonews.it

Oh. Oh dear. Looks like Kiwifarms is full of fucking retards.


You don't need to be a spaghetto to understand that, 5,900 dead in one area of the state of Lombardy. What's the population of this province? Let's zoom in a little bit...

Province of Bergamo - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Huh.

That can't be right, Kiwifarms told me that 99.8% is the maximum possible fatality rate. How can this region of Italy have had 5900 deaths? That implies that everybody in the entire region, all 1,112,187, had caught the virus several times by May!

How can one region have lost 0.53% of its entire population during the first wave?

Using that fucking Kiwifarms veteran's logic, this implies that not only was the entire population of Bergamo infected, but the entire population of the neighbouring provinces too and they all went to Bergamo to die.

Its not "the Kiwifarms number", its the number supported by multiple studies.

I can't tell if you're intentionally being disingenuous or if you're just retarded.

The Diamond Princess is a good example since it shows that in the absolute best conditions the overall fatality rate is significant.

>cruise ship full of old fat people
>"absolute best conditions"

 

[PurpleEater]

YOU NAUGHTY LITTLE SHITS BETTER STOP QUESTIONING THE GOVERNMENT AND THE MEDIA! STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT THE THOUSANDS OF RUINED BUSINESSES, MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES, DEPRESSION, WIDESPREAD ABUSE, FEARMONGERING, THE PURPOSE OF LOCKDOWNS AND MASKS, AND DISHONESTY FROM US DURING LOCKDOWN! YOU'RE ALL EXTREMELEY SELFISH! EMPTY HOSPITALS AND COVID TESTING AREAS?! NONSENSE! WE'LL HAPPILY GUILT TRIP YOU OVER A VIRUS THAT HAS A VERY HIGH SURVIVAL RATE AND ONLY AFFECTS THOSE WITH CONDITIONS AND THE ELDERLY! BE GOOD LITTLE SHEEPLE AND NEVER CHALLENGE US!

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This video of the faggot demonstrating that masks don't mess with your oxygen levels is so dumb and misleading. If you're casually strolling or standing still, sure, it doesn't make much of a difference, but if you're working out (including running and HITT training), wearing a surgical mask is beyond exceptional and DOES in fact change your oxygen levels and can make you dizzy and out-of-breath quite quickly.

Yes, this may strengthen your lungs ultimately since you're stressing them with a face condom during a workout, but it's not as if it doesn't make a difference at all. It absolutely does. Surgical masks are meant to be worn temporarily in surgical settings, not all day in every situation.

Also, I find this constant refrain of "you're all selfish" incredibly odd. Humans DO have to be selfish to a degree, and I doubt all of these spergs are exclusively eating locally sourced foods, not buying anything from sweatshops, never creating excessive waste, etc.

The fixation on the virus has made everyone incredibly tunnel-visioned.

 

[The Skeptical Tomato X5]

Neighbours down the street are hosting a pool party, almost certainly in violation of the current restrictions. If this were a normal time I'd be annoyed at them being so loud but this time I'm happy for them instead.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

A relative had a baby and in the photo she's wearing a mask. While holding her baby. That she gave birth to. In the hospital.

Is that over the top or am I in the wrong?

 

[Bosmadden]

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/world/europe/italy-coronavirus-cases.html

Thanks to Italy's unique history and its governmental systems, it's one of the few places not desperately hiding these statistics.

So let's use Italy's model to figure out what the fatality rate is here:

Wow, so 99.8% survival rate. Remember that number, that's the Kiwifarms number, 99.8%, nowhere on the planet is it possible for there to be more than 1 in 500 dead as a proportion of the population, assuming every single man, woman and child was infected.

Coronavirus, a marzo 5.900 i morti in Bergamasca: i dati comune per comune - Bergamo News

Gli ultimi dati Istat fotografano un'impennata del 568%, una realtà totalmente diversa da quella dei numeri ufficiali

www.bergamonews.it

Oh. Oh dear. Looks like Kiwifarms is full of fucking retards.


You don't need to be a spaghetto to understand that, 5,900 dead in one area of the state of Lombardy. What's the population of this province? Let's zoom in a little bit...

Province of Bergamo - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Huh.

That can't be right, Kiwifarms told me that 99.8% is the maximum possible fatality rate. How can this region of Italy have had 5900 deaths? That implies that everybody in the entire region, all 1,112,187, had caught the virus several times by May!

How can one region have lost 0.53% of its entire population during the first wave?

Using that fucking Kiwifarms veteran's logic, this implies that not only was the entire population of Bergamo infected, but the entire population of the neighbouring provinces too and they all went to Bergamo to die.

Italy enjoyed it's big spike in deaths during the 'first wave' back in March and April. Testing was minimal to non existent. Many of those supposed Covid deaths were diagnosed symptomatically. If you were suffering from a pneumonia or respiratory illness, whatever the cause, it was Covid. Where testing was occurring if you died after testing positive you died of Covid. A nursing home patient with end stage cancer? Covid. Fat diabetic drops dead from a stroke? Covid. The normal clinical criteria for determining cause of death has been thrown out the window with this disease. We should be seeing every single death certificate with cause of death as pneumonia WITH a recent positive diagnosis of Covid-19. Anyway big brain what do you think the mortality rate of the coof is? Same as the Spanish flu, 2%? Obviously not. If there was a deadly viral pneumonia circulating folks would be literally dropping dead in the streets and our hospitals would be overrun, neither is happening or will happen. Don't believe me, believe your own eyes.

Because Italy is full of old people and the healthcare system was shit even before this started. Probably some really bad practices involved like sick people in nursing homes and misuse of ventilators (which is a huge cause of death). Deaths go down EVERYWHERE in the months after since many of the most vulnerable people are already dead or have survived.

No, at bare minimum you don't show a single symptom and are perfectly fine. The majority of cases are people who have cold and flu like symptoms and recover within days. Only a small minority are out of it for weeks, and only a minority of that need hospitalization and out of that group only a minority die. Haven't check in a while but the hospitalization rate is less than 5% of detected cases which doesn't include asymptomatic cases or cases where people don't get tested.

Why should anyone shut down a country and cause the damage you're suggesting over a disease that will kill maybe 0.2% of the population (disproportionately elderly or obese) and permanently damage maybe 2% more (also disproportionately elderly or obese)? It's a disproportionate response in the extreme. People should not have to suffer a global economic collapse and civil disorder all because politicians want to save a tiny fraction of the population, the majority of whom would be dead within a decade of something anyway. Wanna talk economic damage? This is the group which barely contributes to society and barely pays taxes because they're old and retired (or too fat to work) and also are the single largest users of the healthcare system. I'm not saying "kill the elderly and the fat" (they should be quarantined off and strongly advised to take caution) but they're the people who should be asked to make sacrifices on behalf of everyone else so society can function. This is how it's been since the dawn of time in every human society and really animal societies too. The elderly sacrifice for the young because they've already lived their lives.

Except it isn't SARS, it's closer to the common cold than SARS in terms of what it does and how it spreads. Maybe you should've been paying attention to the outbreak aboard cruise ships like Diamond Princess or naval vessels back in January and February which was the first indication that "hey, this disease isn't all the deadly or dangerous" since there were people who never contracted it on those ships and few deaths. Yes, an outbreak aboard a ship is bad for operations, but we aren't fighting a war and if we were, our enemies would have the same issue. You steer the ship into a port (and there will guaranteed be enough healthy people to do this since the disease isn't SARS), you get help, and you wait it out.

Now quit being a double-posting faggot and do some research.

I'm looking for a single other example of a deadly plague/ viral pneumonia outbreak occurring where the vast majority of people who catch it either display no symptoms or suffer a mild cold.

Apparently Covid-19 is so selective in it's pathogenesis that it leaves 95% if the population completely unaffected but becomes an angel of death to the other 5%, who all happen to be really old or really, really fat.

Once the next round of lockdowns collapses the global economy and millions starve to death, I will sleep easy knowing that at least those people didn't suffer from a bit of a cough or a headache. A runny nose is not to be sniffed at.

 

[Rand /pol/]

Masks don't work, lockdowns are pointless, coronavirus is no worse than the common cold.
Everyone who wears a mask:

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

These last couple months going out for a daily drive, getting two or three minor grocery items and walking around the store, going to church on Sunday and talking to friends, taking my dog places when the weather is nice so he can experience other humans and not become afraid of them, has kept me from completely losing my shit despite living in literal war zone Portland.

I try not to be dramatic but every time I let my mind drift off and just lightly touch the thought of a Biden win and a total lockdown again for weeks, no more church, have to have a special permit to go anywhere except a once weekly food excursion, no more taking the dog places, the first thing to come to mind is suicide.

They can't do this to us man, I can't take any more.

 

[gangweedfan]

Im counting on you guys you said it would be over after election day.

This video of the faggot demonstrating that masks don't mess with your oxygen levels is so dumb and misleading. If you're casually strolling or standing still, sure, it doesn't make much of a difference, but if you're working out (including running and HITT training), wearing a surgical mask is beyond exceptional and DOES in fact change your oxygen levels and can make you dizzy and out-of-breath quite quickly.

Yes, this may strengthen your lungs ultimately since you're stressing them with a face condom during a workout, but it's not as if it doesn't make a difference at all. It absolutely does. Surgical masks are meant to be worn temporarily in surgical settings, not all day in every situation.

Also, I find this constant refrain of "you're all selfish" incredibly odd. Humans DO have to be selfish to a degree, and I doubt all of these spergs are exclusively eating locally sourced foods, not buying anything from sweatshops, never creating excessive waste, etc.

The fixation on the virus has made everyone incredibly tunnel-visioned.

The thing is that he is not lying when he says face masks dont change how much oxygen you have. But he is omitting that they change your breathing patterns which is a big deal.

 

[Clockwork_PurBle]

Yeah my summer job from this last season demanded masks at all times but I would usually have to sneak off to the bathroom several times a day to take my mask off because I was becoming lightheaded and nauseated. I suppose carbon dioxide has something to do with that.

 

[Dave.]

This is especially infuriating given that I actually suffer a chronic cough condition. It's my health and I will take care of it. Everyone else shouldn't and if I get, I get it, and if I die, well what can I do? Don't shut down the economy or the country on my behalf just because I have sensitive lungs, I'll take care of myself.

 

[Str8Bustah]

Except it isn't SARS, it's closer to the common cold than SARS in terms of what it does and how it spreads.

Please, stop spreading this bullshit.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26552008/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24172901/

the thing we should be most glad about is that the virus was leaked before it got any worse than it currently is, otherwise the elites planning the global reset would LITERALLY have access to foxDIE and then we'd all be even more screwed.

 

[JosephStalin]

See how this comes out. Fuck Fauci, fully.

 

[Str8Bustah]

See how this comes out. Fuck Fauci, fully.

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It's retarded, flip-flopping takes like this that keep muddying the waters so much. On the positive side of things, at least they're worth a few keks.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Please, stop spreading this bullshit.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26552008/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24172901/

They said it was more akin the the "common cold" Coronaviruses in terms of what it does (e.g. how the virus behaves), not in terms of relationship.

SARS-1 & COVID-19 are both strains of the same species, but the other 90-some fucking strains of Sarbecoronavirus are all bat-centric bat colds.

COVID demonstrates a high rate of transmission and low rate of lethality similar to "common cold" Coronaviruses, rather than lower transmission & higher lethality like SARS-1 & MERS.

the thing we should be most glad about is that the virus was leaked before it got any worse than it currently is, otherwise the elites planning the global reset would LITERALLY have access to foxDIE and then we'd all be even more screwed.

Lol wut?

 

[Str8Bustah]

They said it was more akin the the "common cold" Coronaviruses in terms of what it does (e.g. how the virus behaves), not in terms of relationship.

SARS-1 & COVID-19 are both strains of the same species, but the other 90-some fucking strains of Sarbecoronavirus are all bat-centric bat colds.

COVID demonstrates a high rate of transmission and low rate of lethality similar to "common cold" Coronaviruses, rather than lower transmission & higher lethality like SARS-1 & MERS.

I don't know about you but last time I checked, the common cold didn't stay bonded to your T-cells as a dormant virus that reactivates upon a repeat infection, nor does it damage your brain enough after a severe infection that it permanently damages your pattern recognition skills, or in the case of a severe lung infection, force you into a situation where you require a lung transplant in order to breathe normally.

the 'it's just a flu lol' take is completely fucking baffling to me, especially when you consider that China declared martial law in order to keep the virus under control and are still acting like they never did that in the first place and that everything is fine, along with the fact that almost every major latam country has started heavily scrubbing the statistics to make the outbreak seem less severe than it actually is.

How everyone has already forgotten that the virus was leaked from a fucking biolab during the middle of an extensive research period, along with literally everything that the mainstream media shat out in attempt to push that under the rug and pretend that the virus was 'a serious case of bird flu' is beyond me. It seems extremely fucking obvious to anyone with more than 3 brain cells that the virus was intended to be far worse than it actually is, and the only reason it's not is because a based gook doomsday cultists decided to unleash the coof prematurely so that their leader could start practising miracle work.

The mysterious cult at the centre of South Korea’s ‘super-spreading coronavirus event’

City of Daegu facing ‘unprecedented crisis’ following outbreak linked to Christian church and its followers

www.independent.co.uk

https://www.wionews.com/world/covid-19-was-created-in-the-wuhan-laboratory-professor-giuseppe-tritto-330053

China cover-up bombshell: Secretive Wuhan lab discloses experiments on coronavirus strains

CHINA'S secretive Wuhan virus lab - at the centre of claims around the origin of COVID-19 - has admitted that it had been performing experiments on "three live bat coronaviruses" - sparking soeculation of a cover-up.

www.express.co.uk

This whole lockdown shit that we're currently experiencing is simply the elite taking advantage of a situation that they don't actually have any control over, which is why all the results and spikes are all over the place with seemingly no rhyme or reasoning behind them; that's the smokescreen meant to induce confusion, not the virus itself. That is a reality, the falsehood is in the situation surrounding it.

EDIT: I would not be surprised in the slightest if the lockdown is also an attempt by the elite to fully locate all the various mutations we have floating around and regain complete control over this virus so that they can actually use it for its intended purposes.

 

[NyQuilninja]

I don't know about you but last time I checked, the common cold didn't stay bonded to your T-cells as a dormant virus that reactivates upon a repeat infection, nor does it damage your brain enough after a severe infection that it permanently damages your pattern recognition skills, or in the case of a severe lung infection, force you into a situation where you require a lung transplant in order to breathe normally.

the 'it's just a flu lol' take is completely fucking baffling to me, especially when you consider that China declared martial law in order to keep the virus under control and are still acting like they never did that in the first place and that everything is fine, along with the fact that almost every major latam country has started heavily scrubbing the statistics to make the outbreak seem less severe than it actually is.

How everyone has already forgotten that the virus was leaked from a fucking biolab during the middle of an extensive research period, along with literally everything that the mainstream media shat out in attempt to push that under the rug and pretend that the virus was 'a serious case of bird flu' is beyond me. It seems extremely fucking obvious to anyone with more than 3 brain cells that the virus was intended to be far worse than it actually is, and the only reason it's not is because a based gook doomsday cultists decided to unleash the coof prematurely so that their leader could start practising miracle work.

The mysterious cult at the centre of South Korea’s ‘super-spreading coronavirus event’

City of Daegu facing ‘unprecedented crisis’ following outbreak linked to Christian church and its followers

www.independent.co.uk

https://www.wionews.com/world/covid-19-was-created-in-the-wuhan-laboratory-professor-giuseppe-tritto-330053

China cover-up bombshell: Secretive Wuhan lab discloses experiments on coronavirus strains

CHINA'S secretive Wuhan virus lab - at the centre of claims around the origin of COVID-19 - has admitted that it had been performing experiments on "three live bat coronaviruses" - sparking soeculation of a cover-up.

www.express.co.uk

This whole lockdown shit that we're currently experiencing is simply the elite taking advantage of a situation that they don't actually have any control over, which is why all the results and spikes are all over the place with seemingly no rhyme or reasoning behind them; that's the smokescreen meant to induce confusion, not the virus itself. That is a reality, the falsehood is in the situation surrounding it.

EDIT: I would not be surprised in the slightest if the lockdown is also an attempt by the elite to fully locate all the various mutations we have floating around and regain complete control over this virus so that they can actually use it for its intended purposes.

Or it could be a poorly made Chinese virus And our elites are simply doing what they do best in shitting all over are rights and freedoms with these lock Downs

 

[Str8Bustah]

Or it could be a poorly made Chinese virus And our elites are simply doing what they do best in shitting all over are rights and freedoms with these lock Downs

alright, credit where credit's due, that explains why it has a higher death toll and infection rate (you'd be one hell of a joker if you thought I gave any credit to the 'official' statistics) in parts of the globe filled with non-whites, such as asia and latin america. Can't trust a Chink to do anything the way they were expected to do it, especially not when it was some roundeyes selling them the virus in the first place

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

I don't know about you but last time I checked, the common cold didn't stay bonded to your T-cells as a dormant virus that reactivates upon a repeat infection,

>bonded to your T-cells

nor does it damage your brain enough after a severe infection that it permanently damages your pattern recognition skills, or in the case of a severe lung infection, force you into a situation where you require a lung transplant in order to breathe normally.

Except OC43 and HKU1 literally can do that.

Or it could be a poorly made Chinese virus And our elites are simply doing what they do best in shitting all over are rights and freedoms with these lock Downs

The real plague was all the mini-dictators we found along the way!